"CHEMTRAILS"- hate to beat a dead horse but . . .
Submitted by theZRC on Sat, 09/27/2008 - 15:30
WTF!!! I've seen them in the past, and they've piqued my curiosity, but now im convinced. Something spooky is going on. I drove nearly three hundred miles today, across South Dakota on I-90 and the entire sky was filled. A four hour drive on an otherwise clear day and you could count on one hand the number of times blue showed through the "chemtrail" haze. Anyone else seen an unusal amount of this happening?
Has anyone seen "chemtrails" in or around urban areas?
I am not proposing any theories. I am merely asking for more info.
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I don't recall
seeing chemtrails until the last few years.Have airplanes changed to now cause them?
I see it all the time
All three hurricanes that came to Houston were preceded during the week with chemtrails over Houston.
Also, when people make commercials that accidently show the sky, I see chemtrails very often on tv. Start paying attention.
You should have seen our beautiful skies in Houston after Ike for a while. They finally let up on us.
They're called clouds
Ya know, the big white fluffy things in the way of that nice blue sky.
Gov't doesn't need to spray you with magic fairy pixie dust from 36,000 feet to reach the required 0.00000000001ppm to dumb you down, the last of your functioning neurons stopped firing a long time ago...
Friggin' chemmies... give me a break. Used to at least get a laugh out of you guys, now you're just the homeless bums on street corners holding "The End Is Near" signs. A friggin eye sore on an otherwise beautiful and productive website.
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Here
http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/09/08/news/chemtrails-making-...
AND
http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/index.htm
Oh, I see this second one has already been posted below. Didn't you read it????
I have never bashed your posts
even though I do not agree with many things you say. If you want a 'break' take one please. You are not required to bump and reply to anything you do not want to discuss (unless that is what you are paid to do).
BTW - I do not beleive in "chemtrails" 100%, but I do think people can debate an issue that seems to have some sort of credence.
cloudseeding, weather modification and HAARP assistance may be very different from your "chemmies" remark.
I bet you think vaccine's are great,
GMO's are the next best thing,
and flouride is good for you too.
2 + 2 = 5 right?
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Just don't be like that dumb lady on youtube
who thinks a rainbow in her yard sprinkler is evidence of government contamination of the atmosphere.
Seriously. You do more harm than good. Next time you're at the beach, look at the sand. It has ridges, you know, parallel lines. Clouds do that too. But that doesn't mean there aren't chemtrails, you just need to learn to be good at discrimination between them. Don't jump the gun. Please. You look reallllllly stupid each time you do.
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in western oregon for at least 3 days. very little airtraffic compared to some days. only normal contrails. must be busy somewhere else.
Didn't Kucinich propose an
Didn't Kucinich propose an anti-chemtrail bill a while back?
Since I've been looking for them, I've seen them everywhere. Sometimes they literally fill the whole sky. Very strange.
yes he did
CONGRESSIONAL BILL ASKED FOR CHEMTRAILS BAN
CHEMTRAILS CAPABLE OF "PLANETARY DESTRUCTION"
The Space Preservation Act, HR2977, introduced October 2001 by Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, called for the peaceful uses of space, and a ban on 'exotic weapons'. Section 7 sought specifically to prohibit chemtrails.
Kucinich told the Columbus Alive newspaper (1/24/2002) that despite official denials, as head of the Armed Services Oversight Committee he is well acquainted with chemtrail projects. Kuchinich stated "The truth is there's an entire program in the Department of Defense, 'Vision 2020" that's developing these weapons. Vision 2020 calls for 'dominance of space, land, sea and air'.
Under pressure, according to Kuchinich,
all references to chemtrails, HAARP and other weapons capable of planetary destruction were removed from HR2977. The original bill remains intact and on-file in the congressional record.
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I was up in Sioux Falls recently...
The sky looked super strange!!! I was born in California, but raised in South Dakota. The South Dakota sky, even in the country, looked like the smoggy sky in Los Angeles. I couldn't believe it. The air seemed "heavy" too. I'd never seen anything like that up there.
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i was driving from pierre to sioux falls
and your description is dead on.
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Yep,,
http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf
Yep again.
http://pesn.com/2005/09/06/9600160_Weather_Modification/
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Well,
I flew from Chicago to Portland today. This puts us flying along the SD/NE border and I can be sure that we were not spraying you. However, the CONtrail was very long (I could see it during a turn). During landing in PDX and Chicago after the slats and flaps deployed the water vapor in the air condensed and made a nice little cloud over the wing and at the edges of the flaps.
Could it be that the atmosphere was conducive to maintaining the waper vapor in a visible form, and that is all that is causing this "Chemtrail" quakery...
DROP the CHEMTRAIL crap. You sound like morons who don't know how to conduct a proper investigation, don't understand physics, and wear aluminum hats.
How do you explain the
How do you explain the contrails expanding and lingering in the sky for hours? Why are they criss-crossing the sky? Sometimes I've seen three, four at a time, in criss-crossed patterns.
Now... Are you sure you weren't the guy with the spray can?
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From inside the plane a contrail is going to look bigger
than on the ground. you can't tell people they haven't seen what they saw. why did other planes contrails fade away after a few seconds while others lingered for 20-30 minutes? there is something to it. if you are awake, you know to not ignore anything and not dismiss anything either.
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Mike
Read the temperature and altitude thing again. Keep in mind from the ground you cannot judge a 100 ft difference in altitude on a plane that high.
And winds.
But as they fell through the atmosphere
at different levels there was no marked dispersion until they reached maybe 2500 feet. I'm telling you guys, these were not norma. Mind you, I'm not saying I was poisoned either. I'm just saying something about those five planes was different than the other 6 or 8 that I saw with normal contrails. I'm the guy that thinks ufo's are the elite's 15 year old sons, remember?
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Whether a contrail lasts for a few seconds
or for 20-30 minutes depends on temperature and humidity conditions.
they were flying in the same spot
on the same day within five minutes of one another.
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Airplanes routes
are established. Air traffic controls requires that they don't veer off these routes.
I didn't say anything about veering
Two planes can occupy the same airspace within minutes of each other. It's the highway in the sky. Trust me, these were not contrails. I don't know what they were and I'm not about to claim any idea on that, but I can tell you they were not contrails. As they fell through the atmosphere they should have dispersed, they did not change considerably until probably 2500 feet up.
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You're just being arbitrary.
You are saying some things are contrails because they behave one way, but they're not contrails if they behave another way. Consider that contrails behave many different ways. There are all sorts of factors that affects how they behave.
Not in the same sky at the same time on the same day
I'm saying I have been around for a long time and one day last week after thinking the chemtrail thing was total bs, I witnessed them being made (only in name). If what I saw was contrails than there are a few planes in my area that need some serious engine work. When you see one plane make a standard looking airplane trail and then see another make a very unusual one nad it happens in front of your eyes, you start to wonder if there might be something to this whole thing.
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you are just being a troll.
No one here takes you serious. so just piss off little boy.
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I posted this on a different trail thread
I find this whole topic laughable to say the least.
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These are only some variables:
Engine size and type.
Engine speed
Velocity of the aircraft
Weight of the aircraft (affects fuel consumption and economy)
Fuel type and grade. (heck there may even be fuel additives that vary)
Moisture/condensation content of the fuel loaded at different locations.
Are they jettisoning the sewage tanks or extra fuel (I know the latter, extra fuel, is actually normal procedure at times.)
Humidity
Airborne/windborne water droplets being sucked into engines
Direction of travel (into the wind, with the wind, side winds)
Temperature and altitude. (a half of a degree and 100 ft can make a difference)
Winds. (downbursts, thermal updrafts, wind might be a 70 mph gust or sustained in one spot, but not even detectable 100 ft away up there, it's not like there is exact consistent winds evenly spaced at altitudes. It's not even like that on the ground.)
Add on the fact that 90% of the flights you see are commercial flights. Why would say, Continental have any interest in spraying you with government chemicals? If you're dead, you wont be flying on their airline. They lose money on that deal. And if that deed were leaked by a concerned employee, it wouldn't be too good for business.
Too many variables to believe all contrails should look and act exactly the same.
I've seen them being made once
After 3 times, I'll REALLY believe there's something to it. But, keep your eyes on the skys...you never know. I mean there is a lot out there on them. It has to have some kind of merit. Do ever remember seeing them as a child? I don't and I looked at the sky quite a bit.
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hahaha
You people crack me up.
I remember seeing them as a child.
Also you have to remember that airline traffic has increased many-fold since you were a child, due to increasing efficiency resulting and therefore lower cost of travel so that everyone can afford it now.
Ronbarr, why?
why do you even bother?
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Do some honest research...
and please keep an open mind before
you poo poo this.