NH Pro-Choicers Alienated by RP's Stance. Anyone Else Think So?
I personally have spoken to people who say they like a lot of Ron Paul's stances, but I have had some say they could not vote for him because he wasn't pro-choice.
I have heard other RP supporters say they have run into the abortion issue as the number one objection to his platform. This may surprise some people who would think that his anti-war or anti-welfare stances are the most common objections.
However among the New Hampshire voters with whom I've spoken the abortion issue is the most common reason for someone to say I can't vote for him.
Now I know that his position is to allow the states to decide, but this usually doesn't get communicated as well as it could. I know that in many "Red" states, the concern is that his position would sound too pro-choice, but that doesn't seem to be the case in New Hampshire where a large number of Republicans and Independents are pro-choice.
Since NH is a key state for the campaign, I think that we need to do a better job of clarifying that Dr. Paul would not impose anti-abortion legislation on states.
I am pro-choice but it was never a big issue for me since I understood the subtlties of his position, and I too agree that it's not a matter for the federal courts.
We need to know how to meet this objection when it comes up.
Has anyone else in Blue or Swing states heard this as a common objection?
Respectfully JaySonks, you are just mistaken.......
Perhaps you should read the issue position on Dr. Paul's website and read HR 300 and HR 1094.
He is the prime sponsor of HR 300 which does just as you say, and takes the authority of federal courts away from this issue.
HOWEVER, he is the AUTHOR of HR 1094. This legislation, written by Dr, Paul, is federal legislation that defines human life as beginning at the very moment of conception. This would grant all unborn children the same protection from murder, Federal and State, that you and I enjoy. Dr. Paul has asserted that this is quicker and more effective in ending abortion than waiting for an amendment to the Constitution. This is why Dr. Paul is endorsed by New Hampshire Right to Life and the National Pro Life alliance.
I spoke at length with Dr. Paul at the Values Voters Summit several weeks ago. He is just as committed to HR 1094 (which is Federal legislation) as ever.
Dr. Paul's position is clear. He of course agrees that leaving it up to individual states is far better than the current abortion on demand system. But he is clearly in favor of federal legislation defines life as beginning at the very moment of conception, thus the reason he authored HR 1094. Again, he argues this from his position as a Physician who has delivered more than 4000 babies.
His entire position is posted on his webire. Its clear and undeniable.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/life-and-liberty/
"Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken direct action to restore protection for the unborn."
Ron Paul 2012 - It's Almost Here!
Ron Paul Does not think the states should decide.....
Please, please please, stop misrepresenting Dr. Paul's position on abortion.
Dr. Paul is a defender of Constitutional small government. He does, however, believe one of the few jobs of the federal government is to protect innocent human life. Let's remember Dr. Paul argues this not from a religous perspective, but from his experience in personally delivering more than 4000 babies.
Before you further mistate his position on abortion, please view and read his official issue position from his website:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/life-and-liberty/
As you can see, Dr. Paul is the author of HR 1094 which defines human life as beginning at the very moment of conception and therefore granting the unborn the same protection, at the federal and state levels, from murder that the rest of us enjoy. This position has earned Ron Paul the endorsement of New Hampshire Right to Life and the National Pro Life Alliance.
Dr. Paul says, each and every time he is asked, that the liberty message and protecting the unborn go hand and hand.
While many pro-choice folks support Dr. Paul for other reasons, those who advocate the legal murder of the unborn as their main reason for voting simply will not support Dr. Paul. Do we really want to work with those types of folks anyway?? Probably not. Dr. Paul is a peace candidate in all aspects, even the unborn. Its a consistent position.
Please do not misrepresent his position on Life. Ron Paul is 100%, unwaveringly, pro-life, with no wiggle room. There is no need to guess or take a statement he makes out of context. His position can be found using the link to his website above.
"Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken direct action to restore protection for the unborn. " Dr. Ron Paul
Ron Paul 2012 - It's Almost Here!
Murder...
...is prohibited by state law. It may be illegal in all 50 states, but it's still state law.
Are you trying to say that
Are you trying to say that the federal government does not prosecute murder?? Ummm.. Think again.
Though, MOST murder is prosecuted by local and state government, Dr. Paul's legislation would define human life at the FEDERAL level as beginning at the very moment of conception and it would apply to murders presecuted by federal or state government.
This is a good thing people. Protecting the most innocent of human life goes hand and hand with the peace and liberty message of Dr. Paul. Though I am not debating that issue per se, rather debating those who continue to wrongly assert that Ron Paul thinks this is an issue only for the state. Its just not true, nor should it be.
Ron Paul 2012 - It's Almost Here!
Um, yes he DOES
He does think the states should decide. He believes in taking it out of the federal court system though HR 1094. That's all. It would return authority to the states by taking it out of the federal courts.
NH Pro-Choicers
Since Ron Paul want the states to decide these things there will always be some states that will allow it! However I don't believe that the federal government should steal our money to pay for others abortions.
Nick, Ron Paul's own opinion
Nick, Ron Paul's own opinion on abortion is IRRELEVANT because (as he says) it's is (and always was) up to THE STATES to write the law on this point.
So tell these folks their beef is not with RP but they should ask their governor what his/her stance is. The buck stops there.
wake up zombies
abortion = red herring
if they are too stupid to figure it out, then f- 'em
In another thread, someone
In another thread, someone mentioned that every president since Nixon (except Clinton) has been pro-life and nothing has really been done on it, I don't know much about that except it makes a good point. But yeah. Why is "abortion" even an issue in this election? I mean, our country is about to implode!!
Same with global warming. I read an environmental interview with Ron Paul and he laughed when they asked him about global warming, and stated it isn't an issue right now. (he wasnt disrepectful, but he made his point I think)
"Time makes more converts than reason." -Thomas Paine
Learn Liberty: lewrockwell.com/tomwoods.com/mises.org
Get EDUCATED, not AGITATED!
my blog: www.takebackrag.blogspot.com if you please
Hey, man
If people want to go the single issue rout, there will be no win for them.
Sticking to a single issue is for suckers.
That is what the establishment plays to stay in power. And it is weak minded people who swallow those polititcs. Ron Paul supporters are strong, and that is why we are gaining.
Do you want a strong candidate that is willing to stand up for America, or do you want a weak establishment President who bows to the special interest?
If a single issue voter has a problem with a single issue, so be it. The goal is to bring people out of the single issue mindstate that is crippling American politics.
"Freedom Is A Road Seldom Traveled By The Multitude." - Frederick Douglass
RP stance is for everyone!
I think the best way to sell RPs stance on abortion to people, regardless if they're pro-life or pro-choice, is to get them to understand that abortion is a complex issue morally, legally, and philosophically. Therefore it should be decided by the states because the more complex the issue the more it should be handles by local and state governments.
I personally don't understand why the abortion issue is so important to people. I mean, it's important, but some voters seem like thats the biggest issue that matters to them. Are there that many people out there having abortions? I mean really....
Well Dr Paul is prolife,
Well Dr Paul is prolife, honestly i think that is a good thing, especially considering that he is a republican. However, you know he has already stated that its not a federal issue.
"Its time for a new Revolution! Ron Paul 2008"
"You don't gain much by being angry. I see this more as an intellectual, philosophical fight than a political, personality fight." - Ron Paul
Tell them...
that abortion is an issue that, by the Constitution, is to be decided by the sates. Therefore, Ron's PERSONAL pro-choice position is irrelevant, because HE wouldn't be making any decision on abortion.
Period. End of story. Now tell them to get off their asses and vote for him! :)
Dr Paul is prolife, not
Dr Paul is prolife, not prochoice.
"Its time for a new Revolution! Ron Paul 2008"
"You don't gain much by being angry. I see this more as an intellectual, philosophical fight than a political, personality fight." - Ron Paul
Yeah, i've seen it too
The thrust of Paul's position would mean that each state would have to draft legislation to outlaw abortion, the default would be that it was legal.
Some states would outlaw it only in the third trimester for instance, some would outlaw it unless it was a rape victim or endangered the life of the mother, others would maintain that it was legal no matter the circumstance, etc...
Any citizen could travel out of state to a legal state if necessary. It's not a perfect win for either side, but it may well settle once and for all the issue on at least a national level.
People have a much easier time influencing their state government then the federal government.
A good question may perhaps be, "Would you be comfortable with a law that was more responsive to the people it applied to?"
It's a sticking point to be certain, but not one that can't be overcome.
I heard it
from my sister who lives in New York just yesterday!
Well
The chances of New York outlawing abortion at the state level is non-existant.
It doesn't matter
Once you accept the notion that the federal government should control the issue, you see anything else as inappropriate.