RP's Problem w/ Women

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Guys (and Gals) -

Ron has a serious problem with women. I noticed it a week ago in some crosstabs on a Florida poll (him vs Hillary) and I see it again now on the CT primary:

total: 3 men: 6 women: -

What can we do to convince more women to want to vote for him?

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calling other ron supporters stupid

isn't a great way to unify our cause. I am a woman and I don't consider myself stupid... so how bout a big apology to all the women out here.
That really shows why we have problems with credibility with people that don't know what Ron Paul stands for

I thought I saw a great idea yesterday...

Someone said interview children and the mothers that Ron Paul delivered and put that into a commercial....

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more evidence,please?

noticed it on a crosstabs in fla?
largely,any discrepancy would bring us back to media coverage-who has time,inclination or both to be on the internet discovering RP's message in depth,vs. what they 'hear' in sound-bytes on the evening news.

This thread dismayed me,which is why i am posting for the first time on this site. This thread is all over the place.

The discussion should be more methodical-whether or not there *is* a problem with women voters should be the focus first. Once that is determined,beyond the mention of a FLA poll,then discussion can move to the *whys* of this.

However,for the record,I do understand these debates organically arise-meaning the title may post one focus,and they evolve into something else. Probably,abortion rights is an important talking point that has not been given enough time,either in these forums or on TV/radio coverage.

Notice the post with email contact from the person who said they specialize in discussing this issue with democratic women.
This grassroots campaign has been successful because we are all doing what we naturally do best-covering our corner of the market,so to speak. We have enough challenges,no need to create one [women]-unless there is valid backup info beyond a mention of one poll.

I will mention that when people start spouting off possible reasons for this hypothetical problem,it does not bode well.
Women may not vote emotionally so much as via fear mongering that the media and current administration have propogated. As well,if you are up on current emotional and scientific research,you will find that all decisions are made via the emotion which in turn communicates with the intellect. I am sure everyone who has a desire for freedom does so out of a very passionate,emotional response,not the other way around. "Gee,it is logical that we have come to earth to be free,so i will vote for it?" was probably not the reasoning most used. Bonding is hardwired in,so is emotion. In fact,these are the reasons the human species has continued,not b/c of logical debates per se. Though they have been a nice back-up. Thanks,guys.(LOL)

In any case,women have been largely disefranchised from formal politics [since we all know that the personal is the political,and peace starts in the home,right?],so have become accustomed in some demographics to both not being heard and not being interested.

Please remember that Founding Fathers was termed such for a reason. It was and is a great message,but RP himself has stated that this *experiment* is still on-going. It is an evolution of a concept. Back in the days of the Founding Fathers,it was not many who had these so-called inalienable rights. And it was not a particularly great time unless one was wealthy,could own land,and was, for the most part,a white male.
So,perhaps women would like to vote for Hillary because she is a woman,not out of emotion,but out of a subconscious alliance,based upon years of experience of being belittled (remember G. Bush the first and his snide laugh when asked about his wife's political role?) and ignored.

But this forum is not really the place to discuss personal psychological theories about why women are supposedly not for RP. Let us get our 'facts',and run the process largely the way RP would himself.

This pretty much boils down to the same conclusion as most of the other threads: Media coverage. We need more of it,and i'm talking the fair,balanced and in- depth kind.

Okay,to sign off,I will say that I am woman democrat,homeschooling mother. I am registering as a Republican for the primaries in CA. I have loved RP from the second i found out about him about a year ago. I am a devout internet Paulite (:. My husband is also a fan,but he was introduced via me. I am by far the more politically active member of our household,and I spend far more time on the internet. But this certainly does not imply that my husband is ignorant,clueless or cares less. It is dangerous when threads go awry such as this one has (in my opinion). Equating intelligence with political activism is not a smart move. That is the message I got from this thread. Definitely not the message I get from RP. Common sense must be the word of the day,at all times.
Thankyou all for your contributions to this pivotal campaign in our nation's history. Keep up the great work-and now let's get back to our real business. Let's remember this is largely our first effort as a nation outside of the realm of devisive politics in sometime, if ever.
When you think about it,the rates with which people are dropping from their lifelong political affiliations is astounding. Focus on getting more in-depth media coverage for all demographics-as the individual who mentioned The View,Redbook,etc.,etc. has said, there are always dem. specific media outlets. Onward!

I LOVE Ron Paul!

Having said that, being a woman, I understand that psychologically, women tend to want to be 'protected' by a man. Ron physically doesn't necessarily fit the stature that some women correlate with 'protection'. However, what is dismissed is that it is often the strong, silent types you must watch out for! They don't intimidate on appearance but they scare the heck out of their foes intellectually.

On a like note, it has been stated somewhere (don't think it was in here) that folks are looking to be told they're going to be protected from the big bad boogyman...whatever boogyman govt dreams up. Fear works for them. Pisses me off, but it works. But, truth rings true too no matter where it comes from if one is open to it. And for that reason, I think Ron Paul is the strong, silent man to look out for here. He's certainly intellectually superior to all of his competition on both sides. When they run out of things to find wrong (of which there either aren't any or very few) then they resort to mudslinging misinformation which feeds the fear machine.

Ron Paul Appeals to Women

...he sees individuals and has said so much when asked about Hillary.

My perception of this site and other Ron Paul sites is that males and females are equally represented. The main issues are pertinent to, and understood, by both genders.

Family values, parenting, education and financial well-being would all be aided by a Ron Paul Presidency and these are not gender-specific issues.

Topical headings like this one are very negative and can be harmful to RP when read by newcomers to this site. Any topic can be stated in a positive manner. As far as I am concerned, Ron Paul does not have a "problem" with anything or anyone....once they delve into what he is saying.

I, for one, hope this thread dies.

fonta

Two Women Who Are Relatives

First one is older, the other middle-aged.
The older lady said she is voting for Clinton, and then said, "maybe it'll be like the 1990's again, for jobs", if Hillary gets elected.
She also made a weird claim saying "they all lie"... I did say" RP doesn't... look up his voting record... he sticks with his convictions"...

The other lady said she is for the Iraq war, so no one who wants to leave will do.

So..... I don't know.

I have found many people, both sexes, like this, to be honest, at least in the Midwest.
It's as if they make up their minds( due to maybe tv, or radio, perhaps both?), and that's it. and they want to hear no more.

I think that some people would rather spend more time contemplating where to go for dinner, than spend more time looking into who's running for president, No matter what sex they are.

take care/not offense.

echo chamber society

its the same on the east coast, more or less. Large segments of the population have one issue and thats it. Or just want to hear what makes them feel good or agree with the 'mainstream'. In our cookie cutter society its bad news to stick out.

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I have found that

some women find Ron Paul whiny or goofy. I am not trying to be mean, but I only know what was said to me by a couple of women I know. Both of which are going to vote for him anyway. ;)

Let's see...I got my Wife, Mom, Mom-in-law, two female co-workers, and a female cousin on board to support Ron Paul. The only males I have turned are my Dad and Brother. lol

"It does not take a majority to prevail. But rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." ~Samuel Adams while plotting the Boston Tea Party.

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I wonder...

... if it has anything to do with the fact that men (in general) follow the primary process more closely than women? I was able to sell my wife and mom on Ron Paul (my dad is a tougher sell), but without that neither of them would even know who is running.

So how do we change this?

While my meetup up is generally trying to focus on Republicans (closed primary) we have not tried to be 'gender' specific. Perhaps we need to target this segment a bit more. What might be some good signs or
positions to point out other than home schooling? I also wonder if he could suffer a bit from the 'daddy' vote - in that they do not fully understand his foreign policy position and think the others (ie rudy or mccain) would somehow keep us safer eventhough its probably (in the long run) quite the opposite?

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Political expediency...

This is one of two issues I disagree with Ron on (I am still an ardent supporter). I understand that, if he were to say that he were going to end Social Security, it could be political suicide, but I for one see no justification for its continuance at all. Ron says that "we" taught them to be dependent. "We" who, Ron? I'm 28. I had NOTHING to do with the creation of social security, and having had only a couple elections I was eligible for, with the choice between twinkies and ho-hos in each (I want tiramisu!) and none of my tax dollars, coming from anywhere, should go to people so they can not work. Particularly able-bodied 62-year-olds. It is an inconsistency in his position, individualist on almost everything, except in this we have some kind of collective responsibility. BS! They taught themselves to be dependent. They continued this program, and, had they thought about it, they would have known full well the crushing burden it would be to people my age, trying to start out and have a family. So SCREW YOU Boomers and older. You refused to make the sacrifices, and every year you continued it you made the consequences of its inevitable end more and more dire. Social Security is theft, pure and simple. Your need does not equal your deserve, and even if it did, this does not create an obligation for ME to provide! I wouldnt mind seeing you in tenaments eating cat food.

I have to agree with Dr. Paul

I have to agree with Dr. Paul on the Social Security issue. The government made a promise to US Citizens about Social Security. We must stand beside thier promise and keep it in place for those who depend on it. I agree, it was not a problem of our making, but it is now our problem. They paid into it, we cannot in good conscience tell them now that they do not deserve what was promised. Unfair? Yes. Wrong? Yes. A burden on everyone? Yes.
Consider this: If we merely roll back our occupation of the world, Social Security benefits can be solidified. I am not talking about isolationism, merely to stop occupying the many nations that we do.
I am 35 years old and am quite willing to sign any piece of paper they want to for me to give up my future rights of what I have paid into Social Security, so long as I can get OUT now.

Oops...

I think I posted this in the wrong place.

My wife...

My said she would vote for Ron Paul if I quit talking about him 18 hours a day. It's hard, but I do it for Liberty! So She still gets the condensed daily newsbrief instead.

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A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges. - Ben Franklin

LOL

My wife is a supporter but she gets really tired of me talking about RP all the time too. I'm just so excited about our soon to be new president. NEVER in the world did I care about an election as much as this one.

social security

Ron needs an interview with AARP

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This woman Loves Ron Paul!

I absolutely Love Ron Paul. I don't know what positions aren't resonating with the women polled, perhaps it's simply incomplete information. Like with medical care, I personally hate the idea of the government dictating my medical treatment. I want to be able to make my own decisions and also decide for my children. National Defense is very important to me. I am absolutely opposed to the drafting of our youth, especially in view of the treatment they receive as veterans later (25% of homeless are vets) I am not anti-military--my husband served. But the biggest issue for me is that we can't fight wars around the globe when we have to borrow or print the money to do it. Many of RP's positions are misunderstood because people do not understand the Federal gov't vs the State jurisdiction. Like abortion--RP says it isn't a Federal issue, but some people think that because he doesn't want an amendment banning it, they can't support him. I really think more education is the solution. ----not just for women!!

This woman Loves Ron Paul!

I absolutely Love Ron Paul. I don't know what positions aren't resonating with the women polled, perhaps it's simply incomplete information. Like with medical care, I personally hate the idea of the government dictating my medical treatment. I want to be able to make my own decisions and also decide for my children. National Defense is very important to me. I am absolutely opposed to the drafting of our youth, especially in view of the treatment they receive as veterans later (25% of homeless are vets) I am not anti-military--my husband served. But the biggest issue for me is that we can't fight wars around the globe when we have to borrow or print the money to do it. Many of RP's positions are misunderstood because people do not understand the Federal gov't vs the State jurisdiction. Like abortion--RP says it isn't a Federal issue, but some people think that because he doesn't want an amendment banning it, they can't support him. I really think more education is the solution. ----not just for women!!

Women

I think if they take a look at women under 45, Ron Paul leads in that demographic on the Republican Side.

As Ron Paul continues to be seen in the media, the more woman will catch on to him.

hoping

That's what I'm hoping. The women I know personally who don't support Ron Paul have ruled him out because of his views on abortion, and someone who's militantly pro-choice probably can't be swayed to support him (Lord knows I've tried!). I'm pro-choice myself, I but consider the abortion issue to be a red herring one.

women and abortion

It is true that Ron is Pro life. But the fact is that Ron Paul does not want a federal law for or against abortion. He wants to leave it up to the states.
So there will be some states that will ban it and others that won't.
So there are choices.
The other thing is that he is a doctor obgyn what can be more pleasing to women than that?

The Hands That Rock the Cradle...

.....huge number of mothers would give anything to stay home with their children until they are school age, like Mrs. Paul did. A sound economy, backed by real money and all of the other things Ron Paul is for would get us back on the road to recovery ...for motherhood, family values, reduction in crime, real education.

Teachers would be overwhelmingly for Dr. Paul if they understood what "abolish the department of education" means and exactly what government-run schools have done to this country. Yes, home schoolers are for Ron Paul. What about all the two-income out of necessity families where both parents are working in dead-end jobs and parenting suffers.

Dr. Paul cannot give us a "quick fix"...but the road to recovery might enable our daughters to rock their cradles...at least until children go to pre-school.
Perhaps a mothers4ronpaul site might be a good thing.

fonta

RP's Problem w/ Women

It just proves what I have known for years, women are STUPID!

LMAO

it was funny

poor taste

Please keep the jokes to yourself.

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This is wrong...Its more

This is wrong...

Its more that they have more an emotional attachment to things ... so speaking analytically about this and that doesn't get them as excited.

The thing we have to do is let them see what Ron Paul can do for them on an emotional level. I agree. Focusing on letting them stay home with the kids, improve education (by getting rid of the department of education) and more education options would be a great first start.

Also always speaking about how they would be MORE safe with Ron paul would help. Woman are always very protective of their families.

And I am sure there are plenty of other items too.

Maybe a new slimjims / advertising related to these kinds of topics would help.

Whatever...

Give your votes and money to RP, and you can be as much of a jackass as you want. It's a free country, or at least, it will be.

Uhmmm...

I know you're just kidding around, but this probably isn't the best way to sway women over to your cause. Oh, and can I have an exemption from your "women are stupid" clause because I support Ron Paul?

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Gee..THAT'S mildly innappropriate...

Yeah, I don't get it...

Seems to me that most conservative women are going to be pro-life. Is it that Ron Paul isn't pro-life enough, maybe? He just wants to undo Roe v. Wade. I'm a staunch supporter, though in this issue, as some others, I don't think he goes far enough. Look back to a classic science lab, the dissection of fetal pigs. If fetal pigs = pig fetuses than human fetuses = fetal humans. If fetuses are human, than abortion (sans duress, which is an excuse for killing adults, too!) is murder. I don't have a right to tell a woman what to do to her body, but I have a responsibility to defend a helpless innocent, even if in utero. All there is to it. Still, I know I'm the minority on this one.