A new kind of money to end money? An interesting article. . .
Submitted by Sancho23 on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 17:06
http://www.realitysandwich.com/a_new_kind_money_end_money
There's some good stuff in this article, although I honestly don't understand fully yet all of the things covered. But the author definitely understands the Fed and mentioned Ron Paul favorably!
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I thought I read where
all transactions would be REQUIRED to conducted on a charge card - I believe VISA got the nod.
Anyone else hear this?
What that would mean is all the cash you have stashed would be worthless. Is that our next 9/11 false flag?
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BTW,
Here's an alternate solution for you:
http://perfecteconomy.com/pg-if-i-were-president.html
Dis away. I know that's what goes on here.
mike montagne -- founder of PEOPLE For Mathematically Perfected Economy, and author of mathematically perfected economy (1979)
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Regards,
mike montagne -- founder of PEOPLE For Mathematically Perfected Economy, and author of mathematically perfected economy (1979)
http://www.perfecteconomy.com/
NEW?
Whatever you hope to solve by this currency which already is not solved by mathematically perfected economy™, I have no idea. But unless the intent is to cause confusion, I'd suggest you spend some time first invalidating that mathematically perfected economy™ solves inflation, deflation, and inherent multiplication of debt by interest.
On the other hand, if your purpose is further division amidst an endless multitude of false, unqualified "new" solutions... bravo indeed. The title itself is preposterous. No money of course ends money.
Regards,
mike montagne -- founder of PEOPLE For Mathematically Perfected Economy, and author of mathematically perfected economy (1979)
http://www.perfecteconomy.com/
Regards,
mike montagne -- founder of PEOPLE For Mathematically Perfected Economy, and author of mathematically perfected economy (1979)
http://www.perfecteconomy.com/
Two words...
... Gresham's Law.
Who in their right mind would trade gold-backed currency for a new currency that starts out on equal value with the gold-backed currency, but then becomes devalued at an exponential rate, only to become worthless after a year? No one, unless forced to by law, and now you have a fiat currency again, and a hyper-inflating one at that.
Yes, a hyper-inflating currency will spur lots of economic activity...called panic. Read about Wiemar and you'll see that people will exchange a rapidly devaluing currency for ANYTHING with longer-term value. Grocery store shelves will be emptied of all non-perishable goods, and people will resort to barter of those items because their value lasts longer than the hyper-inflating currency. (see Gresham's law). In this multi-tiered proposal, people will just hold and use the stable currency, and the hyper-inflating currency will be deemed worthless by the market. (See Rothbard about how private competing currencies would work).
As for commodity-backed currencies, it would seem they're much more likely to work only when the notes can be exchanged for something the person values and can actually control its use. Exchanging a currency for 1/10,000th of a piece of public property means you still have zero say over how that property is used, and fear that it could become drastically devalued without your consent would weaken such a currency against most other options.
Top-down social or economic engineering schemes like this do not work, and most economic theories are weakened by this kind of thinking (including some aspects of neoclassical economics). The Austrians, on the other hand, have built a theory of money and economy that starts with the basis of how people value objects, why they willingly work together and exchange goods. It is consistent with the actions and decisions of the individual within society and the economy. It is interesting and entertaining, and I suggest anyone on this site who hasn't done so already to check out some of the free audio lectures from mises.org.
I wonder how non-government currencies
could exist, since governments outlaw competing currencies. Or just confiscate the gold as in the Liberty Dollars, or remove from circulation as in silver dollars of years back.
I've got to admit that the
I've got to admit that the "fourth tier" is impossible for me to understand...
The idea of a currency losing all of it's value in one year sounds like a bad idea. I thought money was supposed to be a storage of value?
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The most successful and long lasting money system
was sticks with notches. You can fix the price of anything. Every currency is fiat. The difference is whether it's debt based or production based.
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Fiat
You apparently do not understand the meaning of "fiat" in the context of monetary policy. Fiat means "by command". Fiat money is money that people are required by government to honor.
Says who?
Do you have a citation for this?
The Roman gold solidus lasted for nearly a thousand years and gold coin of one form or another has been money much longer than that. Who used sticks with notches for money?
tally sticks
look it up
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Am I correct in thinking
Am I correct in thinking that it's impossible to fix the price gold for a long period of time?
Didn't we do that in Bretton Woods when our government set the price of gold at $35/ oz? I'm pretty sure I heard Ron Paul say that eventually the market takes over and it's unsustainable to control the price of gold for an extended period time.
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Turn it around
A commodity based currency doesn't "fix the price" of gold in terms of the currency, it defines the currency in terms of real commodities, typically gold or silver, as they are the most universally recognized and respected stores of value.
No mystery, just history.
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So what he is saying is going on is...basically...
Have all the nations back on the Gold Standard...then...have "Complimentary Currencies" which are used in barter situations...THEN ( and here's where it becomes hooey)...set up an INTERNATIONAL Currency, "Terra", which would be valued based on a combination of Gold, Silver, Copper, and wheat or corn. BUT, as the writer points out, The "Terra Basket" would be valued based on what currency???
See the problem...The "Terra" would be just a ONE WORLD FIAT CURRENCY.
And with that we are back to square one, ONLY our lives will be controlled by whoever controls the fiat "Terra" currency...
What a bunch of bunk!
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Well you obviously didn't
Well you obviously didn't read the article. . .
Firstly, the whole article is not what SHOULD be done, but only some dialogue starters based upon what this guy has found about what COULD be done as the demise of the USD draws nearer.
Now, the Terra is not a one-world fiat currency. It wouldn't really have anything to do with our day to day lives. In fact, based upon what I'm reading, if the Terra were implemented internationally then one could easily live their entire live without having to ever deal with it or even really be effected by it which isn't the case with the USD.
You will also notice that the Terra is only to be used between businesses that ship internationally, so there's that. Also, it's only one tier of a proposed 4-tier system.
The 1st Tier being the Terra, the 2nd Tier being multinational currencies like the Euro which even though we don't like them, they exist and are doing better than the dollar right now!
The 3rd Tier will feature any still existing national currencies, and as the author puts it "But this time, individual states no longer have the monopoly in issuance of currency."
The 4th Tier is where it gets interesting and there you find the idea of more local Complimentary Currencies. While I"m not completely sold on this idea the way the author puts it, it still introduces the notion of having a localized currency that would be valued in some relation to the national currency. But, as the author states, if the national currency is a gold-standard one, then we can free ourselves from the fluctuations that would occur with a strictly fiat system.
So, while I don't necessarily agree with or understand EVERYTHING in the article, for you to dismiss it outright is dishonest and shows that you really didn't read the article at all. Why this happens so often on this forum I don't know but it's highly unproductive and shows a lack of intellectual strength to the public at large.
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This is the kind of stuff
This is the kind of stuff I'd like to see hashed out on here. . .what about you?
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Any takers?
Any takers?
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Is this not the same company script set-up that caused the war between the Rednecks and the Pinkerton goons in Bloody Harlen, Kentucky?
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