Trying to buy a house.
About a month ago, I saw the writing on the wall (as we all have) and decided I needed to lock into the mortgage while it was still possible.
Well, since that time, they have changed the rules on me numerous times (after we locked in), and have found the silliest excuses to put off the loan.
So deciding that my problem was with going through a company which sells off all notes right away and I needed a firmer company, I decided to go back to my bank (BofA) and get another mortgage through them (I obtained a different mortgage from them about 8 months ago, also for similar reasons).
They informed me, that they would indeed handle my loan, but that minimum down payment was now 15% (was 5% the last time I went to them), etc. (All criteria about my situation was very similar).
The banks are tightening down on credit, hard. If I am having a hard time getting a loan, I can't imagine what it's like for others out there. I don't have the best credit rating but it is solid, and I have plenty of liquidity.
Now, mind you, I am not a fan of debt, all debtors are slaves to the lenders. However, you have to work with the system you have when you have to. And my mortgage payment will be less than rent, plus give me a little land, etc.
This means a couple of things. If the credit crunch remains, buy property if you can. Rental incomes are going to go through the roof because the average Joe won't be able to easily transition into a mortgage instead of rent.
It also means, that property values will continue to sink but they will be bargains because rental income will exceed mortgage cost, making them an asset regardless of appraisal value.
It also means that this will be used to squeeze the public into accepting the bailout (just like they did when they fought Andrew Jackson). The question is, are we strong enough, and our representatives smart enough to hold out and call their bluff. I don't think so, at least in regard to our representatives.
Someone asked earlier, "what consequences" for not funding the bailout. Well, this is it. And the banks can make it even a lot harder than it is now.
Good luck to anyone just starting out in life out there. You are gonna need it. Life is going to be hardest on the young and new adults. Those of us who have a few years behind us will fair better.





















I am a broker in NC
We have alot on the market ...almost a third are foreclosures but VERY FEW QUALIFIED BUYERS!!! If you can get a loan it is a great time to buy right now or in the coming months! Try a community bank or credit union!!
We have very few qualified buyers now and alot of homes priced low. Actually, I am going "inactive" for the winter and save myself the fees involved to "stay in". I will jump back in when I see the market open more.
In the last three years in my area I have only had three buyers that had 20% to put down or a cash deal! Most went for 100% financing ( against my advice) but none of my clients did an ARM thank god! I have spent the last few months advising people not to sell now if they dont have to right now. Values are way down from what they bought and they have no equity!
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If you see any really good deals...
Let me know. I considered buying a house in NC or SC. The last house I bought was in north Georgia, and I would like to relocate closer to that area for personal reasons but prefer the SC and NC to GA itself.
With the new requirements, it will take me a few months to fully settle in and recover from this purchase (assuming they don't demand I grow a mouse tail or some other insane request and causes it to fall through) but would be very much interested in that area after that.
Then again, things are happening so fast right now, I have no idea what anything will look like in a few months.
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It is a good thing, though,
It is a good thing, though, I think. 8 years ago when I bought this motel I had excellent credit and had to go to FIVE banks, plus pay 20% down to get it. They just did not want to finance a "newcomer" to the town. BUT one finally did.
lol
pay cash!
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You might want to look into
You might want to look into a community bank.
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buying a house
thought i would throw my 2 cents in here as ive been in my very nice abode over 12 years im 51 years young and survived a divorce etc etc as property taxes are crushing me over 2500 per year as i said funk them parasites as they are sucking on the host which is me, so i put my house on the market 40 days ago and already got a buyer and hope he is all good with the bank my real estate agent said he is all good got my fingers crossed as i never sucked equity from my home not doubt good move there, im getting ready for over 50,000 large as i put a big down payment on my abode and im getting out of debt and getting off the grid and buying some serious weapons and ammo lots of ammo and very large guns, bottom line i hear ya the market is a mess but im getting ready to get off the gerbil wheel and take my profits before there is no profits. very nervous times no doubt,regards crankitup
Very cool.
I wish I was in a position to get off the grid. I really want to, but I am not 100% separated from my consulting business yet. As soon as I hit a point that I can, I will be right there with you.
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hello wolfe i assume you were answering me im sorry as im not to computer savvy ya got to bear with us 50 plus 1970s EX foot long hair rejects type individuals grammar etc as by the way daily paul please give us aarp retired folks a break heh heh just joking as us canned heat dudes deserve a break on punctuation, as we can still get down with a henry vestine guitar solo with bear hite at the mike, please ignore my rambling heh heh as there are a few on the wave lengths here that understand my drift i hope anyways.anyhow on to topic as ya need a abode and i understand that interest rates are all good, i mean i NEVER EVEN THOUGHT I WOULD SELL MY BACHELOR PAD UNTILL RECENT ECONOMIC SITUATIONS and ron paul warnings====BOTTOM LINE KRANKKER GOING OFF THE GRID AND HOARDING AND BUYING LARGE WEAPONS AND LOTS OF AMMO JUST MY DRIFT, GOOD LUCK TO ALL OUT THERE bottom line i never seen it this bad in my 51 years as im a 1987 black monday wall street VICTIM as i survived and moved on, made a wad up until the crisis and then lost a wad regards krankker
I was thinking the opposite,
that it was time to sell before property values tank. Though you're probably right about interest rates, interesting dynamic.
Observe the masses and do the opposite.
Learning to determine value is what must be done. And then regardless of market you can do well, but a bearish market is MUCH easier because the bargains are far greater.
For instance, look at rent, determine what you can obtain from rent on the property based on the market, then determine what your mortgage would be (assuming 20% down) and use that as a starting point.
There are other ways to determine value but that is one of the easiest.
Rents will rise as homes become harder to purchase and once inventory burns off, increasing the real value of the property. I couldn't care less what the appraisal says, or whether it is going up or down. Only what it costs me vs. what it will make me.
If I wait, sure, I may get a better deal, but each day that goes by will make the leverage harder to perform, even at lower prices.
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Owner finance
there are some that own their home outright. Look to them first.
I got 2 credit card offers today
with interests rats at14 &15%. They went into the trash
Rates will go back up
And down-payments will go back to where they were when we started out 20%+ It took years and years to save that up and you had to have good credit. Bailout or no bailout easy credit is over.
tax foreclosure auction
in light of recent conditions i recently (saturday) went to my local tax foreclosure auction and bought an old farm house for 1,500.00 no joke.
better ones went for 5,000 to 30,000 but i own it free and clear no back taxes . use your down payment and buy a tax foreclosed property in a rural area to protect your family from being homeless.
You bought a house for
You bought a house for $1500???
Almost sounds too good to be true.
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That's not a bad idea...
But I don't live in an area where that is feasible. I would love nothing more than to pick up some more property via tax foreclosures. It would require travel for me though.
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Try a credit union
We have always used credit unions over banks. Not only was their interaction and support more personal, but the rates were lower- sometimes several points lower.
In 1999, when we decided we'd be in our own house within 5 years, we figured on 20% down at minimum. We were good savers, both had good jobs. But I had absolutely no credit at all. That's a downside to only using cash, after all. :)
We joined a credit union, put about 5K into a savings account (I think 3% at the time). Then over the next three years, both of us took out a series of small personal loans and used car loans under 4K. I also opened a credit card account with the CU, 1K limit, but instead of paying off the balance each month, I took a FICO expert's advice and kept a balance of about 15%, paying well over the minimum at times that required it to keep the balance around 15%.
Again, like paying in all cash all the time- paying down your balance each month isn't exactly ideal to build credit. FICO wants to see you making at least a little money for the banks!
Come Feb 2003, my FICO was 760 (from ZERO) and my husband's was at least 800 (our agent told us it was technically over 800 but that FICO doesn't really count that high.) The CU knew we had 30% down payment for at least a 210K house in our account. They gave us a 30 year fixed loan at 5.5%, and we got the house we wanted because the first bidder had three sketchy loans lined up, but no down payment.
All the mortgage brokers and comparative loan companies and internet comparisons we consulted couldn't touch that 5.5% rate our credit union gave us. Our RE broker was even floored that we weren't playing loan roulette like the majority of his clients who used BoA, Chase, Fannie Mae, etc.
I just want to let you know that you should not despair. Perhaps a 2- or 3-year plan is better for you than wanting to lock in right now when home prices are higher than they should be.
Good advice...
But no worries. I have the cash.... :) That isn't my issue. My issue is that the first lender is doing things like this, "Your insurance paperwork says Ln. instead of Lane, we need that redone." "Oh, new rules require you show 1 year on reserves on all other mortgages." Which I have done each time, but I am getting tired of the documentation.
This isn't my first purchase, nor my only home. And the reason for me to lock in isn't about the house as much as it is to lock in the long term low interest money. And the house I am buying, I paying around 35% less than it's list price and a lot less than homes in the area that aren't as good.
But your advice about credit unions is very solid, they tend to be a lot better than banks.
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If you are an investor that may be why
they require more documentation.
Amatuer investor is all...
But, the underwriter admitted it was to "see if I could do it" about one of the items (they demanded I show 50% more than was actually required on one of the items). Which is what pissed me off more than anything and made me go talk to BofA. This home will be my primary residence, so technically, the investor aspect shouldn't matter....
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I'm in the middle of a refi
but haven't locked in yet.Does anyone know where the rates will go in the next few days?
Based on what's happening with the 10 year bond it
looks like rates should be going down, but who knows for sure the way things are today.
Except...
They are actually rising. Yes, all indicators point to going down, but the banks are raising the rates daily. The market is re-aligning.
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Here's a link that shows rates
by US average and by state. Also shows trend.
http://www.mortgage101.com/Articles/DailyRateSurvey.asp
Except that...
While that site lists around 5.8 for Florida, when I go into BofA or anywhere else around here, of the ones that actually still post their prime rate, they are posting prime rates greater than 6.25.
Sorry, but I just don't buy the published numbers of much right now for much of anything.
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Probably up...
But not by much. I was just quoted 6.35% with a half point on one. I am locked in (from the original loan) at 5.75% which was about 3 weeks. So opted not to use BofA as long as this other lender stops playing games with the requirements.
Why would you refi now? Unless you got into a really bad rate before (comparitevly speaking since these are all pretty decent rates)? Good luck getting someone to do a refi if your mortgage was done in the last 5 years, it won't be easy.
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Because we have an arm
and want a 30 year fixed before the rates go sky high.
Oh hell...
Yeah, get out of that. ARMs didn't make much sense in the best of times, and they are a train wreck waiting to happen right now. I fully expect in the next few years for interest rates to reclaim their former glory and hit at least 12% in the next 3-4 years. Maybe sooner with everything currently happening.
They can't suppress them forever. Do you have any equity? When was the last time you did an appraisal? Are property values around you dropping? If so, the banks have stricter rules.
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Have tons of sweat equity,
built the place ourselves.Prices haven't dropped to much yet.Had an appraisal last week.
Sounds like you might be in a rare position...
To actually get out from under the ARM. I hope it works out and the sooner the better.
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