Why is Silver and Gold down??? I mean there is virtually no supply... the market is down... You would think it would skyrocket..
silver was up to 13.20 something... now it is down to 12.60.... many major suppliers don't have any... see article below... WHAT IS GOING ON?????
THIS IS FROM APMEX WEBSITE.....
Unprecedented Demand for Gold and Silver
9/29/2008 02:29:00 PM, Posted by APMEX, No Comment
More and more people across the nation are pulling their remaining funds from failing stock portfolios, 401K’s and even now from their bank accounts in a bid for hard assets to protect against the current debacle on Wall Street.
At APMEX, we all but SOLD OUT on just about anything and everything we can get our hands on. We continually scour our resources to meet consumer demand, but as soon as we load the products on the site it sells out – many times within a few hours. Pay close attention to our website, because you may find that the products you want will sell out faster than you may anticipate.
From the current appearance of the market, very quickly the only products that may soon be available will be 1000 oz Silver Bars and Kilo Gold Bars. There just simply isn’t any smaller product available on the market.
Right now, we do have a good inventory of 1 oz Silver Buffalo Rounds, but these will go fast too.





















I am having no problems
I am having no problems buying silver locally.
I will sell you 40 oz's for $25/oz each
Simple really...the free
Simple really...the free market is winning right now with the stopping of the bailout bill and this will suppress gold in the short term. Once the bill passes and we all know it will, in some form or another, that will let the market know that socialism is winning and the dollar is being heavily devalued. Gold and Silver will then rise accordingly.
The dollar will be returning soon to America.
South America dump the dollar for intermarket trading for Mercosul. Hugo Chavez yesterday and today in meetings with Brazil, Columbia and Bolivia is pushing for a South American currency. This is why he is in favor of the bailout. He also wants to establish a petroleum based market as well like that of OPEC.
Seems to me that if we want to take power away from the elite who benefit from the Federal government, then people need to stop holding and investing in T-bills and put wealth in their own bank. An investment in T-bills empowers the elitists controlling the Federal government. Remember T-bills are just paper, just like FRNs. Withdrawling our investment is their biggest fear. Holding onto T-bills locks up dollars as they say. I suggest investing in something other than T-bills such as physical food, supplies, silver and gold. These items stimulate our economy and the individual is empowered. But, what the hell do I know?
grant
Could it be massive Naked-Nude Short Selling?
Naked-Nude Short Selling === is simply Naked Short Selling with zero stock, fraudulent 'vaporware' stock, "backing the trade up with nothing".
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
Russia fixed prices, but you couldn't find it on the market.
Perhaps the blackmarket, and that is why it is good to be prepared.
If inflation occurs they will do what the can to keep the price down, but it won't matter if gasoline is only $4.00 a gallon if you can't buy it.
Seems to me that if we want to take power away from the elite who benefit from the Federal government, then people need to stop holding and investing in T-bills and put wealth in their own bank. An investment in T-bills empowers the elitists controlling the Federal government. Remember T-bills are just paper, just like FRNs. Withdrawling our investment is their biggest fear. Holding onto T-bills locks up dollars as they say. I suggest investing in something other than T-bills such as physical food, supplies, silver and gold. These items stimulate our economy and the individual is empowered. But, what the hell do I know?
grant
My uneducated guess
Wealthy elites are manipulating the price to stay low so that they can buy it up and hoard it for the times ahead.
Because they are rigging the
gold and silver markets through the paper markets. That is why we are witnessing shortages. The only place you can find a free market price (for now) is on ebay.
http://news.goldseek.com/GATA/1222871694.php
And by the way, it's happening in the gasoline market also--that is why we are witnessing shortages in the Southeast.
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Deflation or inflation.
Depends on if foreign nations are still willing to accept the dollar. If they aren't then there will be inflation. Especially when they start selling their T-bills.
Seems to me that if we want to take power away from the elite who benefit from the Federal government, then people need to stop holding and investing in T-bills and put wealth in their own bank. An investment in T-bills empowers the elitists controlling the Federal government. Remember T-bills are just paper, just like FRNs. Withdrawling our investment is their biggest fear. Holding onto T-bills locks up dollars as they say. I suggest investing in something other than T-bills such as physical food, supplies, silver and gold. These items stimulate our economy and the individual is empowered. But, what the hell do I know?
grant
If we go to deflation the
If we go to deflation the price of gold and commodities will plummet. Dollars will gain in strength. Why won't anyone have this conversation with me? This is what happened in the Great Depression. No one knows if we will have inflation or deflation. The price of gold will depend on which happens. I believe we will get deflation as the printing press of the Fed will never be able to keep up with dollars disappearing from the system through Credit Default Swaps and bankruptcies.
So what happens if there are
So what happens if there are suddenly no reserve requirements for the Federal Reserve?
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/65803
I don't know. Maybe they
I don't know. Maybe they want unlimited printing to try to keep up with Credit Default Swaps. People have insurance policies (CDS) on over 55 Trillion ...with a T... Dollars. 55 Trillion! That 700Billion is such a drop in the bucket and there is nothing anyone can do about these CDS!
link works now:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/30/magazines/fortune/varchaver_...
You May Be Right
At least in the short to near term. I think inevitably there will be serious inflation, but we may see deflation for a year or two as the bankers dry up credit to buy assets cheaply.
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels
Striclty speaking
Fortune Favors the Bold
those aren't "dollars" that are disappearing, they are hypothetical assets. The strength of the dollar is somewhat based on the hypothetical value of these assets. The amount of dollars remains the same.
The primary effects of the money creation at this point aren't inflationary or deflationary, but rather distortionary. The "intelligence" of pricing in dollars is going haywire at the macro level.
Fortune Favors the Bold
The gold/silver discussion is great
But some comments have me wondering if the dollar really is about to plunge in value. I just bet the farm buying more food than I could afford and now I'm wondering if I should have (not that the dollar value going up wouldn't be overall a good thing).
Defend Liberty!
it would seem with silve and gold kind of low..that the chinese
or other holder of dollars ..would just go on a spending spree... and buy a crap load of it??? I mean why not?? then they don't need to worry about our currency ..they get a nice investment.. the metals will undoubtedly rise.. which means they make money...
How does the process of treason proceed.
Can the next congress have the previous congressmen who voted in favor of this bailout arrested?
Seems to me that if we want to take power away from the elite who benefit from the Federal government, then people need to stop holding and investing in T-bills and put wealth in their own bank. An investment in T-bills empowers the elitists controlling the Federal government. Remember T-bills are just paper, just like FRNs. Withdrawling our investment is their biggest fear. Holding onto T-bills locks up dollars as they say. I suggest investing in something other than T-bills such as physical food, supplies, silver and gold. These items stimulate our economy and the individual is empowered. But, what the hell do I know?
grant
It's not treason.
Treason has a very specific definition in the constitution. FYI, the Rosenbergs weren't convicted of treason, they were convicted of espionage.
-jcr
"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel
I also read, the other day,
I also read, the other day, that European Central banks had decided to stop selling their gold reserves.
I think the prices can only go up. The dollar is having a rally today against the euro.
Commodities tend to rise and fall depending on the value of the dollar.
"My theories explain, but cannot slow the decline of a great civilization. I set out to be a reformer, but only became the historian of decline."
- Ludwig Von Mises
"My theories explain, but cannot slow the decline of a great civilization. I set out to be a reformer, but only became the historian of decline."
- Ludwig Von Mises
Plunge Protection Team in Action.
They are working overtime to prop up our fiat currency. When they run out of assets to play games with, the true correction will come, up, up and away.
For more information read Bob Chapmans International forecaster.
http://www.theinternationalforecaster.com/International_Fore...
PPT will not run out of assets
go to www.cafr1.com and view the video. The government corporations have over $62 TRILLION dollars in assets.
thanks everyone re: silver
Sierrah, thanks for the article link! One thing I keep in mind is that both your article and mine originated on silver marketing links??!! But it just makes total sense.
Thanks everyone else for your input, too. Totally appreciated.
Artificial price based on paper manipulation
Repeat: This current price of silver has nothing to do with the supply/demand ... otherwise there wouldn't be a shortage of silver. This price is artifically low because of the manipulation of "paper silver" prices by financial institutions in trouble.
With the price of paper silver driven lower, the price of real "in your hand" silver also goes artifically lower. So when it's low, it's a good time to buy ... when the paper manipulation is done the price of real silver will come back up.
Read the article which I have linked below. Answered all my questions about the "Disconnect between Silver prices and Silver supply." Important, if you're going to own silver.
This guy wrote this article on August 18, predicting more big banks were going under ... using the negative lease rates for silver as his principle reason. He was absolutely right. Negative lease rates are when the banks are "paying investors" to use their silver (which is of course only paper). The increased use of more and more paper silver drives the price down to the "automatic sell" instructions of investors, thus dumping more silver paper on the market, driving the price yet lower. In this way banks "in the know" cover their silver shorts when they would be loosing huge bucks otherwise. Then they can turn around and buy silver longs, and when the price rises again, walla, make MORE money. It's a very crooked game, and will go on until banks are made to truly demonstrate they actually have metals to cover the paper.
So, watch the lease rates here: http://www.kitco.com/market/lfrate.html
Interesting that the silver leases are all positive today ... for the last few days the 6 month and 1 year rates were negative (meaning they were PAYING people to use their "silver")
Mish disagrees
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2008/08/great-gol...
So, does Gary North.
Pieces to the puzzle, different views are appreciated
Anyway, thanks for the link. Maybe more pieces to the puzzle? I like to read all the pros and cons; however the other two articles in this thread make the most sense to me right now. I'll have to read your link more carefully ... three times like I did the others :>)
and according to gary north
and according to gary north y2k was supposed to put us back in the stoneage! READ BUTLER.. REAT THE COTS! THERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE!
http://news.silverseek.com/TedButler/1222712899.php
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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Because the dollar is rallying sharply today
I just heard the president say that things were going to get much worse.
Sorry pal, the market is up 300, and our dollar is beginning to rally with no bailout.
Let it go man, just let it go...
because its speculation we
because its speculation we didn't pass the bailout.
Why?
Why are gold and silver going down?
Because there IS a God and he loves you and wants you to be happy. That is why He is giving you yet another opportunity to trade in your feculent, failing, farcical, fiat FRNs for that which has always been money in all places at all times to all people since the invention of money.
Good luck finding any.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha ROTFL
thanks ..... for that... my local guy is charging 3.00 over spot...
Buy Scotch
Seriously, any commodity is going to hold its value better than the dollar. That includes food, but food doesn't age well -- scotch and wine do.