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A Word of Encouragement from President Andrew Jackson

Submitted by DC on Tue, 09/30/2008 - 21:56
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Here's something to keep in mind from President Jackson when he was waging a similar war during his Presidency as we are now. Let's try to mimic his steely resolve, as we face opposition from the banksters (some of them from the same families and institutions) and their White House, media and Congressional lackeys.

"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves . . . I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out!"

President Andrew Jackson

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Submitted by BD on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:34.

Jackson was also a sociopath who would challenge anyone to a duel.

That's twisted

Submitted by ArmorOfChrist777 on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:23.

Jackson was fighting against the sociopaths.

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Jackson was a Southerner

Submitted by FreedomFighter on Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:22.

As a Southern gentleman dueling was a respectable way to settle disputes that could not be settled through debate. You have to understand that it was not likely that any duels would ever actually occur. Either party could and most often did aquiesce their position to the opponent without dishonor. You knew if someone challenged you to a duel that your opponent had an extremely deep conviction for their position. Only if you felt as strong would you accept the duel. More often than not the inferior position would aquiesce and the issue was settled with no dishonor between gentlemen.

This is actually more civilized and honorable than the way corrupt politicians go about their business today. How many senators that voted for the pork would accept a duel from one of the senators from Wyoming that voted against it. I dare say none!

And to be sure President Jackson would be appalled to find his face emblazened on the FRN twenty note.

You should read the entire thread

Submitted by Gil on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:53.

We know that Jackson was a man and, as a man, had many faults. But his words against the central bankers are inspirational for our time and your opinion that he was a "sociopath" goes against the spirit of the quotation. What is your point? Should we take down the inspirational quotation and replace it with your opinion that Andrew Jackson was a sociopath? If so, how would that inspire people to work for the defeat of the bailout legislation?

SOURCE

Submitted by wdosmer on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 13:18.

please provide a source or citation for this quote (i will feel comfortable passing it on if i know it is legit)

Here's One Of Many

Submitted by DC on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 21:23.

But again, I don't have the date or place or audience. I've seen the year 1832 several places.

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quotes_by/andrew+jackson

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See Response Below

Submitted by DC on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 21:15.

It's on several websites containing quotes from AJ. I don't know specifically where or to whom it was said. But it's been quoted widely enough I have to assume it's legit. If you're not comfortable, there's an even longer (and possibly better) quote from a letter Jackson wrote explaining his reason for dechartering. I'll look for it and post it. EDIT: Check fringeNOT's post below.

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Timely Quote

Submitted by declarationofre... on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 12:34.

May it spark within us the righteous justice and courage needed to thwart this present darkness and save our once glorious country.

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wait....

Submitted by Will-Ebert on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 11:59.

Was the statement
" . . . I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out!"
said to the banks, or the Native American Tribes?

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I know what you are getting at...

Submitted by pawnstorm12 on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 13:16.

And being a student of Indian history I agree that how he treated them was really terrible.

In fact, before I recently learned about him abolishing the Central bank, I thought he was maybe one of our worst presidents.

But I will give him a good deal of credit for shutting down the 2nd Central Bank (FED) even tho it lead to a massive depression.

It was followed by 70 years of free market capitalism until the present FED was created in 1913.

It was very courageous and two attempts on his life followed.

JFK wasn't quite so lucky when he tried to shut down our present Federal Reserve Bank in June of 1963.

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Banks

Submitted by MikeLawson on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 12:00.

They teach in school that it was the indians.

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A power has risen up in the

Submitted by Republicae on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 10:22.

A power has risen up in the government greater than the people themselves, consisting of many and various and powerful interests, combined into one mass, and held together by the cohesive power of the vast surplus in the banks.

John C. Calhoun

While Calhoun was Jackson's VP, he opposed many actions of Jackson and rightly so. He opposed Jackson's eqalitarian mobacracy and the Jacksonian ideology of Majoritarian Rule...which, by the way we are fighting against today.

The Government of the absolute majority instead of the Government of the people is but the Government of the strongest interests; and when not efficiently checked, it is the most tyrannical and oppressive that can be devised.

John C. Calhoun

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"Jackson's egalitarian mobocracy?"

Submitted by DC on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 10:30.

That's a little vague. What specifically did Calhoun oppose that was "mobocracy?"

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Jackson proposed a

Submitted by Republicae on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 10:38.

Jackson proposed a government much like what we have today, a rule of the majority that was much closer to a pure democracy than that of a Republic. Calhoun was a champion of republicanism instead of democracy, like the Founders he believed that there must be checks and balances throughout the government and the process to impede excesses from pure democracy. Jackson was, on the other hand, a proponent of an egalitarianism based upon a much more direct majority rule. Jackson was a proponent of mass democracy and unhindered majority rule.

A good read about Jacksonian Democracy and opposing views, other than those of John C. Calhoun, were those of William Graham Sumner.

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Still Vague

Submitted by DC on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 11:01.

What change in government did Jackson propose? It simply sounds like sour grapes from his opponents. Jackson ran against the financial interests that controlled the government at the time; this whining about "mobocracy" from contemporary rivals and big-government apologists among subsequent historians seems like the usual complaints from those whose ideal political figure is Alexander Hamilton.

There are plenty of things to complain about re AJ, but I don't think the complaint that he supported the "mob" holds any water, and certainly Calhoun was unqualified to make those complaints. Calhoun was a supporter of the bank, an advocate of the Fugitive Slave Law, and believed in government by an "elite." His and others dismay over the decline of the banking cartel's influence was part of the reason for the spreading of critcism of Jackson's wild "democracy."

A contemporary example would be those who complain about Congressmen voting "No" on the bailout, calling it "caving in to the mob" against the sober, sound advice of the bankers. A little more democracy might be in order here, not less. Is a plutocracy better? Ask the members of the former Soviet Union.

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Just the opposite, many of

Submitted by Republicae on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 12:40.

Just the opposite, many of those who opposed Jackson on several fronts were not Hamiltonians or big government apologists in the least, if you read the writings of William Graham Sumner [far from a big-government apologist] and Calhoun, also a proponent of the republican ideals of the Founders, saw many disturbing tendencies within the Jackson Administration. While both Sumner and Calhoun were solidly on board with Jackson against the National Bank and the plutocrats running the show, they were not in favor of many of his actions that also helped bring Van Buren into power. Calhoun's main beef with Jackson was over the Tariffs and Jackson's treat to use federal forces to enforce and collect the Tariffs from the States.

While there was indeed a period when Calhoun supported Henry Clay’s “American System” in 1817 he soon rejected the Clay view of the National Banking System, as well as the “American System”. In theory, Calhoun had never been a lover of banks or the banking system, but saw the need, at least at the time, for a strong national banking system after the War of 1812. After 20 years however, he saw the myriad of abuses of the banking system and indeed he supported the dismantling of the National Banking System. He was so opposed to what he called trash and rags masquerading under the name of currency that he spent months pleading, cajoling, and persuading one after another in Congress to oppose the National Banking System. Concerning Calhoun’s support of the elite, I suggest you read his Disquisition on Government and A Discourse On the Constitution and Government of the United States, you will readily see that instead of supporting an oligarchy of elitists, he supported a republican government heavily limited by layers of checks and balances. As far as his support for the Fugitive Slave Laws, I think you will find that Lincoln also supported the same laws.

Sumner, likewise, supported Jackson’s war on the National Banking System, but he opposed Jackson on several of the same fronts as did Calhoun. Jackson’s rule, while destroying the National Banking System, allowed for a period of cheap credit which facilitated the panic of 1837. Sumner’s proposal that overt majoritarian democracy would always fall under the subjection of plutocracy was correct for after the Jackson and Van Buren Administrations, the Whig paternity once again gained power. Jackson’s policies strengthened the nationalism that was formulating during the period, he was, after all, a man of the people and he used that position to promote his agenda, particularly when it came to the American Indian problem, as he saw it. The masses were completely behind his use of force against the Indians.

This view of democracy led him to ignore many of the decisions of the Supreme Court. He created one of the strongest centrally powerful presidencies in our history and promoted a type of nationalism through mass democracy that was far from healthy. He supported, as least from his actions and words, a very strong central government that disregarded the Constitutional Rights of the States and the Constitutional Limitations placed on the federal government. He knew who buttered his bread and played for the support of the common man by many of his actions and policies thereby strengthening his position and his grasp on the reigns of power.

Jackson used the forces of mass democracy to further is particular view of the presidency, strengthening it and furthering a type of nationalism that remains with us today. While I applaud many actions taken by Jackson, I tend to think that he simply took Jeffersonian democracy to an extreme, similar, in fact to how Lincoln and the Radical Republicans took Hamiltonism to the extreme.

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Jackson had many flaws

Submitted by oldhickory on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 10:54.

as most men... He also owned slaves. But before the name "Old Hickory" stuck, he was known as "The Hero" after the Battle of N.O. He led a ragtag group of 5,000 against the British "Invincibles", handing them 2,000 casualties to less than 100 for Jackson's army.

He wasn't right on everything, but he knew the banksters were a danger to this country, and he had the courage to go after them.

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Oh, absolutely he was right

Submitted by Republicae on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 10:57.

Oh, absolutely he was right on the Banking Plutocrats, I merely mentioned that his views on mass democracy is very similar to what we see today with Majoritarian Rule or mobacracy.

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I Can't Really

Submitted by DC on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 10:00.

It's in numerous "famous quotations" pages, but I don't know where, when, or to whom he said it. If I run across something more specific, I'll post it.

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Powerful

Submitted by ryenski on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 09:52.

They just don't give speeches like they used to. :)

Can you post a source for this?

That is a great quote

Submitted by Liberty4All on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 08:29.

It would be great to somehow get the attention off of the current bailout and talk about a new type of "bailout". This bailout would be to bailout the citizens of the USA from the federal reserve. End the Fed!!!

I have such a fondness for

Submitted by xciteful on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 06:13.

I have such a fondness for this quote. Always had.

Get this, I sent this to CNBC Squawk Box and they
read and alluded to part of it this morning!!!

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The "Devil's Bank"

Submitted by pawnstorm12 on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 06:13.

That's what they called the Central Bank which Jackson shut down.

Though a depression followed a few years later, it was largely due to the Central Bank's mis-deeds for 20 years prior and...

After closure of this bank, many other private banks printed money not backed by gold/silver and massive inflation followed causing the Panic of 1837.

Sound monetary policy MUST be based on precious metals.

They've known that for over 250 years.

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He was brave to fight the

Submitted by whatNWO on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 02:02.

He was brave to fight the central bank of his day. Too bad most Americans aren't aware that there even was a fight.

I made this video tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NnqfEkkWPY

Andrew!!!! I vow to fight

Submitted by Clint Johnson on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 00:59.

Andrew!!!! I vow to fight like you did good sir...for the Republic!!! We will never stop...to our dying days...down with the FED...Down with the Globalist Traitors!!!

The fight is upon us!

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In ninth grade

Submitted by meta.curious on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 00:39.

They taught me to hate and despise Jackson. Oh Lord have m-m-m-mercy on those vipers.

I was 'taught' to hate him too... in the 11th grade

Submitted by rucdelaspook on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 05:18.

and a little in college.

He did a lot of messed up things to the Native Americans. He even went so far as to ignore the rulings of the Supreme Court when they ruled with them. Also, I think they said that he would over-use his veto power.

All of the political cartoons in the textbook portrayed him as being "King Jackson." Either that, or having crazy hair and looking really mean.

They also mentioned his battles with the banks, but as a teen you kind of just gloss over that and focus instead on the plight of the Native American peoples.

Then again, I also used to support Hillary Clinton, so that might answer some questions.

the death march

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