Ron Paul Taking PAC Money??? Please help
Submitted by TimB on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 18:55
I am always giving one of my friends a lot of sh*t over him supporting
The Messiah, aka Obombya.
I sent him the opensecret.org link showing Goldman Sachs $800K contribution to Obombya, and said, "no wonder he supports a bail out."
He retorted (and this is where I need help from the more politically savvy folks here):
My Friend's reponse
(Ron Paul - Who had more PAC contributions than Barack - http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cid=N00005906&...
Barack - http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?id=N00009638&c...)
DPers, please help me refute this..............
Could this be true? Did RP get more PAC money than Obombya?
Say it ain't so
Cheers,
TimB
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rp pac $
k... this is gonna b semi-helpful.
ron paul was asked if the $s he got from banking/finance interests influences his vote. his answer was "who's getting money from those people?"
the woman was like "you are sir."
his response was "well, i don't have people standing out my door trying to influence my vote. people who give me money do it because they believe in my ideas and principles."
so... sorry, i don't have a link. but there might b a dp'er who has a link.
I pledge, do you?
I would think most, if not all of, Ron Paul's PAC's
were formed by grassroots individuals banding together to support their candidate. Not by huge corporations and special interests that designed the PAC's for legal and monetary benefit. Look into that. Maybe it will give you a good argument.
My take:
1) Not all PAC's are evil.
2) 450$ VS 18000$ is pretty irrelevant. Look at the percentages it rounds to 0 for both candidates.
3) Obama's 'Other' category is $27,152,882 6%
What the fuck is 'other'? Did he find pennies in the couch? Is he giving hand job's in a back alley? Where does that cash come from?
That should keep your retarded friend busy looking up irrelevant things, and leave you with more time so that you can read up on Austrian Economics / [insert something more relevant than who gave Paul 18000 scraps o' paper].
Dude
Get a brain... Look at the amounts... Pittens... Look at the amount Obama recieved from finacial institutions...... Over 11 mill. Wake up.
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whoa, easy Tiger
I am asking a question on something I am ignorant on..thus the question
I am NOT for Obombya in the slightest.
You
need to just get a new friend. If you've been hammering on the subject and he is using this argument, he can't be educated. Let him go.
wow. We are talking about
wow. We are talking about the difference between $450 and $18k, in a sea of millions of dollars.
Wasn't this very same post put on
this forum a few days or so ago???
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The only bad thing about
The only bad thing about PACs is that it can obscure where the money is coming from. We wouldn't need PACs if we didn't have draconion campaign finance reform (thank you McCain.) The problem isn't money going to support the campaigns, it's the politicians having too much power and ignoring the restraints of the constitution. As far as I'm concerned, Ron Paul could get his campaign donations from Charles Manson, the Unabomber, or even Billy Ray Cyrus- I don't care! If all of the sworn in members of congress upheld their oath of office, campaign donations would be at tremendously modest levels. You can't buy from someone who ain't sellin!
I'd be more interested to see who got the most donations from Goldman Sachs...at this point I'm guessing McBama.
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PAC= Political Action Committe
From http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/political-actio...
Organization created by corporations, environmentalists, trade unions, and other interest groups, to collect funds for contributing to election campaigns of their preferred political candidates.
What is important to recognize here is that PAC are not inherently bad. More research is needed. You need to determine what PAC contributed as well as the makeup of those PAC's. If you and I decided to create a PAC along with all the Daily Pauler's would that be bad? Well we could have. I don't see how getting money from a PAC has any kind of bad connotation. What matters is the makeup of the PAC and what the intent of each PAC is.
I meant TimB
....good analysis though.
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Please tell us what you think a PAC is?
and why it would be a problem to get money from one.
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Mike, I guess I really don't know what a PAC is
I always thought it meant Special Interest Money..I always thought it was something shady, but I guess I was wrong
He's picking at insignificant details.
While trillion dollar monsters are coming out of Obama's closet!
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The DNC made a policy that they aren't taking PAC money this year, to try to make themselves look like they are honest. What a laugh!
They are just taking money from elsewhere, thru other loopholes.
I suppose he's of the opinion that Obama's money was donated by little old ladies in the Bronx?
PACs are just Political Action groups
that are set up according to the rules of contributing to candidates. Many of us were maxed out in giving to his presidential campaign, and maxed out giving to his congressional campaign, still wanted to support him. PACS were created for Ron Paul in different cities to help fund the different RP headquarters, buy signs and slim jims... and it is just another way people could donate money to help. I know there are many good PACs and many PACs that are bad.
Less than 1%
Less than 1% of his contributions came from PAC's. And probably nice ones.
PACs are Relative - Not Good or Bad. Depends on the goal of PAC
What about a Pro-Constitution PAC, or a PAC that is formed for deregulation, or an Anti-War PAC and End the IRS PAC or an End the Fed PAC? Support the Bill of Rights PAC or money from Gun Owners of America PAC?
Would these be bad?
Ron Paul's Biggest Contributors
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# 2 US Navy
# 3 US Air Force
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100% irrelevant
Ron's positions never change, so who cares? It makes no difference who gives money to him. In that, he is unusual -- perhaps unique. Your friend probably doesn't know that yet, so his concern is somewhat understandable. Even so, though, the amount under discussion here is insignificant. Let the gnat go and get ahold of that camel! ;-)
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I'm not sure PAC money is
I'm not sure PAC money is necessarily bad. I know there were good people who created PAC's to be able to donate to him, but I'm not sure about the undisclosed part. Anybody?
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"This table lists the top
"This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates."
It also says 99% of donations came from individual donors.
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Thank you
but ( I am sorry for not grasping this)
Obama's said his PAC contribution was $450.00
RP's was $18,332
Why the difference?
search the open secrets site
and check Obama and McCains money from lobbyists..
PAC has always been more like (to me) personal and lobbyists money is gathered and given in one time for a specific issue.
And ALWAYS check their voting record FOR who gave them money. Ron Paul voted consistently against many things, while the other two where consistently for issues that benefited those donors and those industries.
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