Bank runs
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Nouriel Roubini 10.02.08, 12:01 AM ET
Nouriel Roubini
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It's plain that the current financial crisis is worsening in spite of--or perhaps because of--the Treasury rescue plan.
The strains in financial markets are becoming more, rather than less, severe in spite of the nuclear option of a $700 billion package: Interbank spreads are widening and are at a level never seen before; credit spreads are widening to new peaks; short-term Treasury yields are going back to near-zero levels as there is flight to safety; credit default swap (CDS) spreads for financial institutions are rising to extreme levels as the ban on shorting of financial stock has moved the pressures on financial firms to the CDS market; and stock markets around the world have reacted very negatively to this rescue package.
Financial institutions in the U.S. and in advanced economies are going bust. In the U.S., the latest victims were Washington Mutual (nyse: WM - news - people ) (the largest U.S. savings and loan) and Wachovia (nyse: WB - news - people ) (the sixth largest U.S. bank). In the U.K., after Northern Rock (other-otc: NHRKF.PK - news - people ) and the acquisition of HBOS by Lloyds TSB (nyse: LYG - news - people ), you now have the bust and rescue of Bradford & Bingley; in Belgium you had Fortis (other-otc: FORSY.PK - news - people ) going bust and being rescued over the weekend; in Germany, Hypo Real Estate, a major financial institution near bust, has also needed rescue.
So, this is not just a U.S. financial crisis. It is a global crisis hitting institutions in the U.K., the Euro-zone and other advanced economies (Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc.).
The strains in financial markets--especially short-term interbank markets--are becoming more severe in spite of the Fed and other central banks having injected $300 billion of liquidity in the financial system last week alone, including massive liquidity lending to Morgan Stanley (nyse: MS - news - people ) and Goldman Sachs (nyse: GS - news - people ).
In a solvency and credit crisis that goes well beyond illiquidity, no one is lending to counter-parties as no one trusts any counter-party (even the safest ones), and everyone is hoarding the liquidity that is injected by central banks. And since this liquidity goes only to banks and major broker-dealers, the rest of the shadow banking system has no access to this liquidity as the credit transmission mechanisms are blocked.
After the bust of Bear and Lehman, and the merger of Merrill with Bank of America (nyse: BAC - news - people ), I suggested that Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs should also merge with a large financial institution that has a large base of insured deposits so as to avoid a run on their overnight liabilities. Instead, Morgan and Goldman took a cosmetic approach, converting themselves into bank holding companies as a way to get further liquidity support--and regulation as banks--from the Fed and as a way to acquire safe deposits.
But neither institution can create, in a short time, a franchise of branches, and neither one has the time and resources to acquire smaller banks. And the injection of $8 billion of Japanese capital into Morgan and $5 billion of capital from Warren Buffett into Goldman is a drop in the ocean, as both institutions need much more capital.
Thus, the gambit of converting into banks while not being banks yet hasn't worked, and the run against them has accelerated in the last week: Morgan's CDS spread went through the roof on Friday to over 1200, and the firm has already lost over a third of its hedge-fund clients together with the highly profitable prime brokering business (this is really a kiss of death for Morgan). And the coming roll-off of the interbank lines to Morgan would seal its collapse. Even Goldman Sachs is under severe stress: Most of its lines of business (including trading) are now losing money.
Both institutions should stop playing for time, as delay will be destructive: They should merge now with a large foreign financial institution, as no U.S. institution is sound enough and large enough to be a solid merger partner. If John Mack and Lloyd Blankfein don't want to end up like Richard Fuld, they should do a John Thain today and merge as fast as they can with other large commercial banks. Maybe Mitsubishi (other-otc: MSBHY.PK - news - people ) and a bunch of Japanese life insurers can take over Morgan.
The only institution sound enough to swallow Goldman may be HSBC (nyse: HBC - news - people ). Or maybe Nomura in Japan should make a bid for Goldman. Either way, Mack and Blankfein should sell at a major discount before they end up like Bear and are offered, in a few weeks, only a couple of bucks a share for their faltering operation. And the Fed and Treasury should tell them to hurry up, as they are both much bigger than Bear or Lehman, and their collapse would have severe systemic effects.
When investors don't trust even venerable institutions like Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs, you know that the financial crisis is as severe as ever. When a nuclear option of a monster $700 billion rescue plan is not even able to rally stock markets, you know this is a global crisis of confidence in the financial system.
The next step of this panic could be the mother of all bank runs, i.e. a run on the trillion dollar-plus of the cross-border short-term interbank liabilities of the U.S. banking and financial system, as foreign banks start to worry about the safety of their liquid exposures to U.S. financial institutions. A silent cross-border bank run has already started, as foreign banks are worried about the solvency of U.S. banks and are starting to reduce their exposure. And if this run accelerates--as it may now--a total meltdown of the U.S. financial system could occur.
The U.S. and foreign policy authorities seem to be clueless about what needs to be done next. Maybe they should today start with a coordinated 100 basis points reduction in policy rates in all the major economies in the world to show that they are starting to seriously recognize and address this rapidly worsening financial crisis.
http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/01/goldman-morgan-run-oped-cx_...





















Germany prepares banking guarentee plan
"Germany is preparing to offer a blanket government guarantee covering all German cash and savings bank accounts held by individuals in a move to pre-empt panic withdrawals by customers in the coming days.
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The officials said the move was agreed because of fear that the crisis at Hypo Real Estate, which disclosed a fresh funding gap at the weekend, precipitating the collapse of last week’s rescue package, would lead to widespread panic in the country on Monday.
The official said the government would formalise the decision in the coming days. “Right now we want to send the message that we are lifting this limit. Nobody should fear losing a single euro in this crisis. How exactly we do it, legally speaking, will have to be clarified later.”
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d895ef54-92ef-11dd-98b5-0000779fd1...
How is your saying? THE SHIT HAS HIT THE FAN
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Ron Paul was right
Glen Beck was warning of
Glen Beck was warning of this on Friday right after the house passed the bailout. Saying there was a run on the shadow banking underway.
I think the next two weeks will be very interesting. They have done a good job of keeping he masses from hearing this though. But soon they will not be able to contain it.
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good article
on banks, bailout, the chinese and the Amero.....
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I Was Over 800 for a Decade
I'm filing bankrupcy. Not on personal debt but on corporation of 25/yrs.
You are correct.....I WAS A SLAVE TO MY SCORE......funk that!
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Deb
I didn't realize you were female cspan ?
It would appear that the new society is becoming one of dissent and I'm good with it. We all need to stop being "obediant workers" and start questioning every piece of what we are supposed to be conforming too.
I'll take non-conformity anyday over belonging to a fascist nation.
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the next problem is consumer
the next problem is consumer debt on credit cards!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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Imagine if every person in america just decided to quit.
If noone cared a lick about their credit rating ( This is were they get you ) fromday one they get you with this golden rating system that makes you their slave.Pay your bills on time aty rediculous interest ratesor else !!
I don't do credit cards at all. My credit rating is completely shot but only becasue I just don't care about being a puppet.I owna business and deal in cash noone knows what I make and the government certainly never will.
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A High Credit Rating
Indicates that you are a very good SLAVE and in debt up to your freakin eyebrows , and good at managing to still pay your minimums to your MASTERS.
I'm shooting for a Credit Rating of ZERO!!!
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. “ - Thomas Jefferson
Fellow Veterans, This Is A Call To Arms!
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Freddie and Fannie LOVED
Freddie and Fannie LOVED loaning to '0' ratings :-P
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Trust in God, but tie your camel tight.
"Socialism needs two legs on which to stand; a right and a left. While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,they both march in the same direction." - Paul Proctor
Yikes...
The only way I buy property now is with the 100% down payment plan :)
Check out this cool mortgage calculator - shows you just how much your getting ripped off for if your just making minimum payments on your mortgage!
http://www.daveramsey.com/etc/realestatecenter/dsp_mortgage_...
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. “ - Thomas Jefferson
Fellow Veterans, This Is A Call To Arms!
http://www.facebook.com/events/192677970828185/
February 20, 2012 - Veterans For Ron Paul March on D.C.!
The UPSIDE of this
is you are paying back with worthless dollars, so the calculator is truly misleading.
It doesn't take into account of inflation and deflation - think about it.
One of the financial myths pushed on us for years.
www.killingsacredcows.com for a dose of reality and get rid of thos "myths" with which we were raised, taught, and educated. We can't blame our parents as they were products of the last Great Depression.
I'm thankful for blessing of
I'm thankful for blessing of a home mortgage paid off 15 yrs. early and we have no other debts. It's good to see others waking up to see the enslavement that debt causes.
FORGIVE US OUR DEBTS!
Vote THIRD PARTY!
My choice is Chuck Baldwin!
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Trust in God, but tie your camel tight.
"Socialism needs two legs on which to stand; a right and a left. While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,they both march in the same direction." - Paul Proctor
Right on - yay for you!
When I first heard Mr. Ramsey on the radio I was ticked off because he had replaced the conservative bobble head I had been listening to...and then it hit me..
Ive been complaing about the way politicians spend my money - but I'm mismanaging my own - I realized I was a hypocrit, and a slave, and when that reality set in - I set myself free :)
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. “ - Thomas Jefferson
Fellow Veterans, This Is A Call To Arms!
http://www.facebook.com/events/192677970828185/
February 20, 2012 - Veterans For Ron Paul March on D.C.!
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Ron_Paul_2012 is an a-hole!
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Statement from Carolina Trust Bank~ Community Bank, NC
Right now community banks and credit unions are one of your immediate options!
Please read this statement from my Community Bank~Letter to the Public (on front page!)
http://www.carolinatrust.com/
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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
I agree. Check out your
I agree. Check out your local credit unions if you need a bank. I personally know all of the employees who work at the credit union that I belong to. They are good, average folks who aren't out to screw anyone over or ask for billion dollar bailouts.
It seems this bank in in good shape.
JM
The info. in red says they're going to be down this weekend for an upgrade. The info. below that statement says the bank doesn't have anything to do with the present problems of other banks. I just hope he's telling the truth.
JM
CFO of this bank
I know him very well..he is my husband..a Ron Paul supporter since 1988!
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"Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave fast enough to be a new source of energy independence."~ samthurston
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Very cool.
The vast majority of small banks are in good shape and open for business. The Bailout was never about Main Street but rather welfare for wall st.
h-daddy
sorry for the inconvenience
will be the new motto for the american banking system.
~Mikael / Peace, love, Light and unity ~
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Stop the NWO....It's just illumi..Naughty !
get all your MONEY OUT!!!!!
***** URGENT : TO ALL CONCERNED CITIZENS *****
TAKE YOUR MONEY OUT and starve the banksters to death!
http://actiontrigger.no-ip.org/
We can use the internet to GAIN power over corporations and
corrupted government officials and END THIS NONSENSE -
I have explained my idea on how to achieve this in a PDF here
http://actiontrigger.no-ip.org/cyberpolitics/cyberpolitics.pdf
Please comment!!!!
I AM MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What you are advocating is
What you are advocating is called a bank run and it's a federal crime that you can do hard time for. If you are willing to deal with the consequences, I say yell a little louder ;)
Since when is protecting your own interests a crime ?
What do you think this Bail out was ? Bush, Paulson, Bernanke had to pay off all their slush funds or should I call them "hush" funds.
~Mikael / Peace, love, Light and unity ~
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Stop the NWO....It's just illumi..Naughty !
I don't think so
As far as I know, it would only be a crime if he advocated a run against a particular bank. Telling people to cash out doesn't target a particular institution, and wouldn't be a crime.
A crime ? you must be kidding !
~Mikael / Peace, love, Light and unity ~
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Stop the NWO....It's just illumi..Naughty !
my money is in the Bank of montreal
My girlfriend still belives in the bank of america. she's an idiot but i cannot seem to talk sense to her. Move your money out of the U.S. ! do it now !
~Mikael / Peace, love, Light and unity ~
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Stop the NWO....It's just illumi..Naughty !
They won't care if you take you money out
They own real stuff. Believe me, only the sheep fall for the "money" scam.
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