Bailout is Bougus! The House MUST originate ANY bill that requires public funding, the Senate wrote this bill !
In Article I, Section 7 of the United States Constitution, the House of Representatives in given the exclusive authority to introduce bills raising revenue by the clause “All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.” Under House precedent, this includes bills “raising revenue and appropriating the same” and the House considers itself to be the only proper venue to originate any bills appropriating revenue. (The Senate has historically disagreed with the House, but to no avail.)
When, in the opinion of the House of Representatives, a Senate-introduced bill that raises revenue or appropriates money is passed by the Senate and sent to the House for its consideration, the House places a blue slip on the legislation which notes the House’s constitutional prerogrative and immediately returns it to the Senate without taking further action. This blue-slipping procedure, done by an order of the House, is routinely completed to enforce its interpretation that the House is the sole body to introduce revenue or appropriations legislation. The failure of the House to consider the legislation means it cannot become a law. This tactic has historically proven of great use to the House and, as a practical matter, the Senate does not introduce tax or revenue measures to avoid a blue slip.
The Senate wrote the bill and sent this to the House and the house passed it. The House has to "Blue Slip" this bill back to the Senate by law. Will anyone see this Bill is rejected or file a lawsuit? Can we start a massive call of bull^*%$ and demand this bill be vacated??
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Good point!
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
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A thought
Doesn't the fact that this is a revision of a bill that was originally introduced by Congress change things? I hope I'm wrong, obviously, but just thought I'd pose the question.
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Live Free or Die - Amen to that
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Live Free or Die - Amen to that
It's a great Idea, but as Ron Paul, and any.....
constitutional minded official out there has said, we must show civil disobedience, and your idea is not that. We must protest, we must spread our message to other Countries as well, so they know we are not going to just sit here and take this crap. We must start calling these traitors out, and do in public, with a camera, and put it out where the world can see it. If we do nothing we have lost our Freedom, our Liberty, and our Country to a bunch of dirty douche-bags that have been stealing from our people and this country.
It's a wonderful idea... but
... as i think most have figured out here, they don't give a fuck what we say. this bill is gonna stand and we're gonna be forced to deal with it. 'pay unto caesar that which is due caesar,' is how they look at it.
it's only when a bunch of desperate, angry citizens come barging through zealously and in force demanding answers that we will be taken seriously. look at our track record over the years.
Us: 'we don't like that- stop it!'
Them: 'quit whining. it's for your own good-- oh look at the monkey.'
Us: 'what were we talking about?'
this is what they expect. for those playing the home edition, our efforts at raising our voice to get attention haven't been very noteworthy. i say get a hammer- you'll have their undivided attention then. but then again, what purpose will it serve? this is quite the impasse we find ourselves in. one or the other is gonna give out eventually, and when the chips are down, you can't break the laws of nature.
It'd almost be funny...
... if it weren't so true.
What the would inspire the criminals in DC to obey the law? They have no fear of punishment, hell, I'll bet more than half the assholes get re-elected.
We The People
We should really talk to Bob Schultz and file another lawsuit for Redress of Grievances and refuse to pay taxes until those grievances are properly redressed!
Bob Schultz
Anyone have his email or number.
“In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for it costs nothing to be a patriot.”
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“In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for it costs nothing to be a patriot.”
Mark Twain
Thanks for educating us.
Thanks for educating us.
I keep trying to explain but nobody listens
Here we go:
The house passed a bill on mental health services and for other purposes.
The Senate ammended it to include what you are thinking of as a bill because the house voted down the same language (basically) in another bill.
When the senate ammends a bill and sends it back to the house they get an "up or down" vote on it.
So what you saw was 100% legal. In MD we have a "single subject" rule that keeps "and for other purposes" from becoming 810 Billion dollar giveaways.
Do you see?
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Maybe so but
A good Lawyer can raise at the least "Good Cause" to file a lawsuit. The plain language doctrine might kick in. I dont know for sure but lets see.
“In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for it costs nothing to be a patriot.”
Mark Twain
Great post
I've been wondering about this all along. I hope someone with legal knowledge will challenge this!
Yep, been asking this since 9/25
I posted this thread on 9/25, trying to find out who the elusive sponsor of this heinous bill was, and pointing out that (hell-looo-oooo) such a bill, constitutionally, MUST originate in the House.
Silly minion; you didn't think the Constitution applies to your overlords, now did you?
Bush's comments
This is why Bush made the statement before the senate vote- "I don't care how we get this legislation through Congress, I just care that we pass it" He was implicitly telling the senate that once again it was ok to violate the Constitution to make this happen. Our electorate is too ignorant and the press too biased to make any issue of his statement.
They got around that..
They attached the FAILOUT to the energy bill. That made it ok... I guess... But since when do they care about the Constitution?
Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?
Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?
Not actually
Yes, they attached it to the (popular and sure-to-pass) energy bill.
NO, this does not make it okay.
The House killed it on Monday. The bill was unconstitutionally resurrected and attached to the Senate's energy bill.
nope it was a mental health bill
that was ammended to include some hotbutton energy items.
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Hmm
Sure does sound like a good story. Is it true?
The congress is also
The congress is also supposed to be the ones declaring war but you don't see them doing that do you? They abdicate the responsibility over to the President in direct contradiction to the rule of law. The Constitution isn't even bothered to be referenced by these criminals any more. The War on Poverty, The War on Drugs, all the external meddling in foreign affairs, NONE of that stuff is allowable by our Constitution.
If true -
this info. must be forwarded to all Representatives!
Obama = O.ne B.ig A.ss M.istake A.merica
Ummm...
They don't care what we think! This last week was proof of that. The whole defeat of the bill was to allow them more time to insert pork and make a real power grab. Calls were running 9-1 against the bailout at minimum, and they did it anyway.
There was never any philisophical disagreement with this bill, save Ron Paul and a few others. It was all designed just to give the public the illusion of a fight. The idea that Nancy Pelosi hurting someone's feelings could make them change their vote on a $700 billion appropriations bill is appaling and rejected by logic.