As my e-friends, please read this (paul4won- I hate when people do this!)
Read this first-
http://www.emaxhealth.com/1002/24/25181/psychiatrist-accused...
Then this-
http://ssristories.com/
I do not know how to sound this alarm loudly enough. I was managing the largest eye clinic in Idaho, had about 20 employees that I hired, trained, set the pay, fired - managed. I had the highest levels of certification possible in my field. I taught at national continuing education seminars to rooms of hundreds of people. I had two smart, healthy, active adult children. I had a 20+ years and counting marriage. I went from high school drop out to college graduate without help from anyone but my husband. In 40+ years of living, NO ONE EVER questioned my "mental health." Yes, when I finally got mad, I got mad as hell, but a LOT of people have the long fuse, big explosion kind of temperament. It is NOT a "mental illness." Yes, I often cry when I get angry, a LOT of women are that way. It is NOT a mental illness.
Then my mother was at the end of a long death process and my best-friend daughter was moving out of state to attend law school. I was sad. I told the doctor I worked for. He sent me downstairs to the Nurse Practioner, who put me on antidepressants. Mind you, I had not even missed a day of work. In less than a year, I was so psychotic that I was wandering in circles in the lobby of a building I had worked in for 3 years, and I could not find my way out. (They took me to the walk-in clinic, gave me some ativan and sent me to drive myself home. Really.)
There are about 3 years that I can't really account for. I spent a LOT of it sitting on a couch crying. I tried to kill myself 4 times. I was seeing a therapist 3 times a week for while - know what that does? Lets a depressed person NEVER get a moment to stop being depressed. Makes sure that therapist stirs up all the shit they can as often as they can - and bill you for it. I know the woman was trying to help, she believed she was doing the right thing, but how many people are "cured" by therapists? I am pretty good now, I still have something whacked in my adrenaline response, but I am getting better at coping with that, too. But the drug company is completely off the hook. I am "crazy" and have been my whole life, that is the official story. The drug "unmasked my underlying disease."
By the way, while I was managing that clinic, Ely Lilly approached me about running some clinical trials. It was quite a coup, got me BIG bonuses and a trip to the Caribbean for "training" courtesy of Lilly. The doctors got BIG checks, even the guinea pigs, I mean patients got tossed a few crumbs. It took years, and going through what I went through, to be able to look back and realize how despicable that "training" was. I would not trust any drug newer than 10 years old. "Going to market" IS considered the "final phase of trials." They are freely experiementing on a willing public. Come on, don't YOU want the latest, cutting edge medication? NO, NO, NO!!! You do not. You want the one that has been around for YEARS and no one died. Better yet, stay the hell out of the doctor's office. His education is not much better than anything "No child left behind" produced.
I also would like to point out this odd little observation. Once I had the notion, I have asked several nurses the same question, they agree. If "side effects" are rather random reactions to the chemicals we need for the desired effect, shouldn't there be a Bell curve? About half the drugs make you hyper, about half make you sleepy, by varying degrees on both ends. How come ALL the drugs make you sleepy as a side effect?
Sounds like you were misdiagnosed.
Sounds like you've got bipolar disorder.
People with bipolar disorder often will go for years and do very well as long as they don't get too manic or depressed.
But if you give a bipolar patient a uni-polar "anti-depressant" without giving a mood stabilizer (lithium, etc.) you can send them into rapid cycling and make them MUCH worse.
Anyway, DO NOT take MY word for it.
But you DO need to find a doctor you trust and get a second (3rd, 4th, 5th?) opinion. A psychiatrist preferably, but at least a GP that knows when to refer and who to refer to.
Do NOT give up on conventional healthcare.
As much as people love to rant about our healthcare system, they are NOT going to do YOU any good unless you find a good doctor.
Trust me, Dr. Paul is NOT the only good doctor out there; and he would be the first to tell you that.
Good luck!
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive."
Hmmmm!
I am thinking soaking in a hot springs would be just what the alternative health-care professional ordered! ;-)
I am working on income taxes (or should be) and I know that I could use a good soak when I am done.
its the best medicine I know!
Working in taxes the day after the bailout - you have nerves of steel. I think I would soon be looking for the tax man... Call me when you are ready to steam away the funkiness we gathered from hanging out with the politicians!
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
HEALTHCARE WARNINGS!
I am a surgical nurse. I started Out as a Psychiatric nurse. I am a Male and an independant Contractor Travel nurse for 25+yrs, and have seen all sides of the spectrum in my 30+ years as a nurse. I would like to give the public some words of wisdom to help them to stay healthy in the future.
#1 My mother an MD(Family Practice Physician). She trained under Wilhelm Reich, who was a great alternative doctor, before alternative medicine was cool. Had condensed her years of knowledge down to a simple warning. "All Medication are POISON you only get a benifit from a side effect." The cure can be worse than the problem. Treat all medications with respect as to the harm they can cause. Do Your Homework!
#2 Surgery is best as a last resort. Always get a second and a third opinion before consenting to surgery.
Espescially one that your not sure of. Do not be quick to jump on the Operating room table. Unless you are sure the benifits outweigh the debilitation that occurs with most surgeries. Surgery is an invasion and an insult to your body. Be careful!
#3 Realize that medicine is a government collusion business and most doctors are tied into some org. ,hmo, ppo corp.etc. My grandfather (who was also a great physician). Had a saying" Governments, Organizations and corporations have no soul." This means they have agendas that are consistant with the survival of the organization and will be more benevolent toward themselves than to an individual. Be Forewarned!
Hope this helps!
thanks - especially to the fine people who tried to give health
I know many FINE people, including doctors, who still believe they are giving "the best healthcare available." It is not always the heart that is misguided, but the very "facts" they have been taught. I miss the old docs, they were awesome. When I started 20 years ago, the guys who were nearing retirement were the BEST. (And they were SLOW to Rx or cut off anything.)
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Well thank God you are aware now
I was fortunate to have a mother who was Vice President of Staff in a large hospital. She taught me my whole life to stay away from doctors and hospitals and drugs. She worked with them. She knew.
So I have always been trictly wholistic. I don't go to a doctor, therefore I don't get drugs and therefore, also, I don't go to hospitals. I have very little respect for doctors or lawyers. Indian Chiefs? Never met one. But I'll bet that would be different.
thank you so much
you and the post above - people need to hear this. My dad was a pharmacist, we were treated with homeopathy. I got into healthcare as a profession and took their "blue pill" for a long, long time. When people start hearing all these people who worked in healthcare or had family in healthcare saying this, it will make them think twice when the doctor tries to give them a pill to make their normal emotions stop interfering with productivity. (Truly, which pill was I supposed to take that would cure my mother and stop my daughter from growing up?!)
We are headed for a depression. There will be money problems and divorces and people will get depressed. Lets be supportive neighbors and try keeping them OUT of the AMA's grasp.
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I know where your coming from
Although I didn't go through anything like you did. I commend your strength in bringing your story here. Like anything else it's stuff people don't want to hear. I buried a lot of close family members in the span of a few years and my parents and mother-in-law suffered immensely. I was foolish enough to do the anti-depressant crap for a couple of months too, and I had been into natural medicines for a very long time. When your overwhelmed emotionally sometimes your do some crazy stuff.I was lucky enough not to fall down the hole to far. We have this warped notion in this country that we shouldn't be sad. I embrace depression and sadness as a healing process. Heck I've been crying off and on since yesterday since the bailout went through.
I don't know you personally, but I pretty much guess your not "crazy", well I mean not any more then the rest of us Ron Paul people : ) But this is a touchy subject for people. I have people get upset when I won't do mammograms. My own husband has been down a bad road when they diagnosed him with diabetes, even after I was able to prove to him that diet would work, he went right back on the drugs. He reached his breaking point just a month ago and finally got of all the meds, and he was on a bunch. Now that he is willing to change, I'm trying to help him. I have to take thyroid medication, no question, no choice, but other then that I stay away from the medical practice, I don't care to be practiced on.
chinkadaro
Another tool in the Box of Control
I'm so sorry to hear your story, and I thank you for the courage of sharing it with us.
The proliferation of medications being prescribed at the drop of a hat by Those Who Think They Are In Charge Of You is as sick as the illnesses those people claim to want to control. Too often, it is not the condition that is wished to be controlled; it is you.
It is merely another tool, just like any tool intended to throw the masses off the scent. Along with fluoride, vaccines, chemtrails, hypnotizing television, and strip searches at the airport, diagnosing and drugging every human characteristic serves to manipulate a people to respond (or, not respond) in a manner consistent with the desires of those who would lord power over us.
When we are dazed, or have ourselves convinced that there is something wrong with us, it is that much easier for us to submit to the "wisdom" of others.
This results in a populace that is about half stupid, chasing their tails, not even realizing that they themselves are slaves. Ignorance, in and of itself, is a powerful drug.
There are conditions when certain drugs are not only desirable, but truly necessary. But of course, those conditions account for but a fraction of actual prescriptions.
My heart goes out to those caught in the medication web, for once they're in it, a quick removal from the medications can be dangerous or even deadly. It usually has to be done over a period of time, precious time that is frittered away in weaning, when there is so much waking up and action needed to do.
There is another tool the medical community is using that is just as dangerous. It requires no drug to be prescribed, but holds the patient in just as terrible of a lock grip: the wide diagnoses of "conditions."
Did you happen to notice in the recent bailout bill that there was a section which set up equating the treatment of physical illness and mental illness? (That was already in there, prior to all the additional pork that got tossed in at the last minute.) Odd to see that in there, eh? I think there's a reason for that, and it has to do with other legislation that has already passed regarding how "mental illness" can be defined (which is very, very broadly).
Regardless of whether one is or is not mentally ill, such a diagnosis kicks off a trigger effect that I think will come into great play in the near future, under the umbrella of "caring for the American public" -- kind of like the Gardasil vaccine issue.
Those who experience mental or emotional challenges, and have not yet begun an SSRI regimen, would be wise to look into alternatives such as herbal and other therapies. Those already (needlessly) on SSRI's hopefully are surrounded by supportive people who will help guide them safely off of those drugs and into health freedom.
Sorry to be so long-winded. I again thank you for your post, and wish you all the very best.
thank you
"When we are dazed, or have ourselves convinced that there is something wrong with us, it is that much easier for us to submit to the "wisdom" of others."
That is good stuff. Thanks for the long winded post, there was a lot of good stuff in there.
As for me, it is not so much courage as trying to walk my talk. I make a BIG fuss about loving truth, I had best not be caught making exceptions for myself when it gets uncomfortable.
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
Thank you for your post ,
Thank you for your post , paul4won...attempting to educate my friends and family on the dangers of falling into or being into the medical maw has been a losing battle. My lifelong friend...we met at age 5..and her husband are EACH on at least 10 prescription drugs DAILY..for life, of course. I am close enough with her to question her use of all of these things...zoloft..etc...and she says she has to have them..would not live without them. Total brainwash.
All of these drugs have terrible side effects...most are not even necessary for any prolonged period if at all. I never take any medication until and unless I have researched it thoroughly and even then I look for an herbal alternative. Herbs work as well they simply take a bit longer.
As far as homeopathy is concerned that's the ONLY choice of the British Royal Family. If it's good enough for them it's surely good enough for me.
Take care all, as the FDA is trying to bring Codex Alimentarius into this country..this particular legislation would stop the use of herbals..we wouldn't even be able to get a vitamin or an aspirin w/o a prescription.!!! In the event an herb is found growing on your property you can be fined and jailed for that infraction..even if you were unaware that it was an herb.
Not Important?? If we, as individuals, are not important then please tell me what IS important.
there is truth to her words....
I call them "I don't care pills"
avoiding flouride might help also. your brain is a muscle, use it or lose it.
human emotions are not well understood. and it is unwise to fool with mother nature......
" the important thing is to never stop questioning, curiousity, has it's own reason for existing..
Albert Einstien
Knowledge is power, action is love.
"I don't care pills" - Yup
And to about one in ten of us, we don't care so much we can't stand it, and we try to kill ourselves. When people are "better" at it than I was and actually die, the drug is NEVER to blame, always the depression. Yet the suicide link is strong enough they have to put a warning on the commercials...
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This is an ugly story
but I believe it. And I admire your courage to come forward with it here.
Fact is the 'medical system' doesn't want you to be healthy, since it's more profitabel to keep you between slightly ill and close dead (that's why they keep you in life as long as possible too). Once you have accepted it's basically a business like any other you may handle it. Of course it doesn't mean all doctors are greedy pigs (I'm myself of a family of medical doctors, and they are caring people, and well, there is Dr.Paul). But one has to be skeptical about the therapy they prescripe (same as someone tries to sell you a car or an insurance). Most the time they don't care for the diagnosis or are not even able to deliver one (guess that happened to you).
And pharmaceutical industry is BIG business.
I myself go to a doctor who is trained in homeopathics and I pay a good prize for the anamnesis, while the actual medicines are most the time ridiculously cheap. No wonder homeopathics are not accepted by medical science, though it helps (as I know).
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Ron Paul was right
I was upset
a nurse at the hospital where my dad had his hip surgery gave him a pneumonia vaccine. Now, if there really is data to support someone who is on their way to a nursing home being at more risk of dying from pneumonia than a vaccine reaction and the vaccine works enough to flip those odds, I could be for it. The problem I have from the get-go is no one checked to see if he had had a pneumonia vaccine recently, in which case, there was no point in the vaccine at all.
He had a severe reaction to the vaccine, which delayed his physical therapy and his hip now has deposits from the delay that have caused him severe pain that couldn't even be controlled by oxycontin. He will be addicted to these pain drugs the rest of his life.
Get this - it is known that the vaccine causes this severe reaction in 1 out of 100 cases! Those are some screwed up odds.
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If he's in CA, now the RN can kill him to ease his pain!
People have to get their brain around the fact that the same people teaching little Johnny history are teaching Dr. John medicine. Dr. John REALLY believes what the girl in the miniskirt said, whatever it was, something about a vaccine. She is from the drug company that makes it, so she is the expert and he does not have TIME to research every new drug that comes out. She is paid by how many prescriptions he writes for her drugs. Really. The pharmacies keep track of which drugs are Rx'd by which doctor and many reps are paid by those numbers. It is a drug churning factory - everybody needs to be on at least one drug "for the rest of their life." And, if they whine too much, we'll cut something off. Makes them happy, they get a medical war story to tell. Makes the doctor happy, surgery pays better than exams. But what about the poor drug company?! Oh, there will be pain meds and antibiotics, at the least. EVERYBODY'S HAPPY! Except the patient died. Damn. Better luck next time.
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For context
CA Assembly Bill 2747
and
Article: California approves nurse-assisted suicide -- Schwarzenegger signs bill authorizing dehydration, starvation of patients
The danger here is that this goes beyond a person deciding for himself whether he's ready to check-out from this life. This puts such decisions in the hands of of nurses and physician assistants (and, I assume, doctors as well), which may or may not reflect the wishes of the patient.
And as discussed in this very thread, those already depressed or drugged or otherwise dulled in their ability to clearly reason (even the stress of a simple physical injury can do this), are much easier to manipulate than one who is at the top of their game physically, mentally and emotionally.
paul4won I agree with you
my mom is goin through this right now and she was doing fine untill Jan. of this year. She fell and then the Dr's said she had heart failure. She went into the hospital and today she is bed ridden, has a feeding tube and stays swollen so they keep giving her some kind of anti-swelling med that depletes her body of all the good cells and then they have to give her blood transfusion to get her bck where she needs to be. They have had her on all sorts of meds. So yes I agree that they are using people for guinee pigs. Glad to here that your doing better.
Best wishes for your mother
and thanks for your kind words.
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thank you
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thank you for sharing
as i started my "counter-mainstream" education with the "healthcare" field, and after many years learning that these problems stemmed the whole way to the despicable process of "where money comes from," i would say that as bad as this bailout mess is and will be, the point that you bring up is perhaps even more important.
even once people have stopped trusting their banks and government, they still want to trust their doctors and their medicine. sorry guys, but its just as big of a mistake. let me be clear: it is a bigger mistake.
just as it is difficult to maintain an independence as much as humanly possible from the banks and gov't, it is even harder but more important to follow "REAL" medicine people and partake in their "REAL" medicine.
or we will never be well as a people
study these systems, the AMA, the FDA, the mental health apparatus, and you'll never take medicine for your blood pressure or cholesterol again
Peace!
Sounds like you've been to the bottom of this nasty rabbit hole, too.
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In the last 10 years i have
In the last 10 years i have spent so much energy trying to. . . share this kind of knowledge with people. It has gotten me nowhere. The last year i have watched the Ron Paul movement with much different eyes than those who were only recently "woken up." I have very little to say anymore. . . and most of these people still seem intent on clinging onto unproductive and shallow communication processes - even in such a thing as a "Campaign for Liberty."
Everyone is shocked at these bailout developments.
If it were up to me we'd all have been in the streets 10 years ago or more.
And there are still so many (relatively few care about the campaign for liberty thing in the big picture) who have no clue whatsoever. No real clue. The know things are bad but they still trust their favorite politicians or minister or party or ideas. But they have very little trust in themselves, really.
Anyways. . . my heart goes out to you that you had to go through all of that and a big thank you for taking the time to share in a helpful way. I wouldn't be where i'm at without people like you.
.................. you are
.................. you are here to get the Revolution chasing their tails after meaningless, pointless, unverifiable bs. Folks, quit reading the manure this guy/girl is pushing and get to reading stuff from www.mises.org and www.lewrockwell.com
Here are some meaningful things to read that will produce good fruit in your mind:
http://mises.org/rothbard/boetie.pdf
http://mises.org/journals/jls/9_2/9_2_5.pdf
http://www.hanshoppe.com/publications/Soc&Cap.pdf
Aww, my own pet troll this morning!
I love it when people go tit-for-tat against the truth. It proves I hit a nerve with someone.
I gave 2 links, they can both be researched just as any link. More importantly, look at your own life. You probably know people who have been put on SSRIs and watched their entire personality change. As long as they are one who reacts well, it is all good. But for those who do NOT react well, tough shit!
The commercials admit that suicidal thoughts and behavior are known side effects. Is that verification enough for you?
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dood, who cares. We've got a
dood, who cares. We've got a government totally out of control, a populace that is about half stupid, and idiots posting tons of stupid, run yourself in circles threads on the DP. Drop the idiocy already mate. It's time to EDUCATE people about stuff that actually MATTERS. All this stuff you are pushing is just internet fear mongering conspiracy bs that does NOTHING to push the Revolution forward.
.................. you are
.................. you are here to get the Revolution chasing their tales after meaningless, pointless, unverifiable bs.
Shut the f*ck up idiot! I
Shut the f*ck up idiot!
I know paul4won and she is the hardest working person for Ron Paul, freedom, and liberty I know. She was a national delegate, a state delegate, instrumental in taking over her central committee and regional committee, a state coordinator for the Rn Paul campaign, and one huge driving force here in Idaho for liberty. And we got 24% for Ron Paul in Idaho the most of any state much of it due tot her efforts and example. People know she is one who get things done and is usually leading the charge. So what the f*ck is it you have done???
And for an idiot like you to come on here and insult her... well lets just say your lucky your not standing in front of me at the moment!
This issue is all part of the same thing we are fighting and is a valid issue. Big pharma controls our health care system and is another huge distraction and control mechanism to keep the population from rising up.
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If you don't like this thread simply stay away. The presidential campaign is over and we can be more relaxed about the topics we chose and healthcare is of course an issue. And we all know paul4won has contributed to the campaign as a delegate and on the DP in her own clear and outspoken manner so the rules might even be a bit relaxed for her. Finally I have to say your comments on her coming forward with her personal story are simply insensitive and cold-hearted.
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Ron Paul was right
you are
an idiot.
I was Ron Paul delegate and a state coordinator.
I AM a human trying to warn my friends about another nasty little side to the NWO beast. Look who set up the AMA. That is "verifiable."
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