3rd infantry deployed in US...lets use some common sense

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Now with the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat troops are
deployed in the US during supposedly non-emergency times, can, in my opinion, only mean one thing; the gov't expects civil unrest, and soon.

Why else would they be deployed on their own soil? This financial crisis is going to worse than most anticipated. I do expect unrest in many locations, especially when some banks shut their doors. I also expect food and gas shortages.

They (the gov't) know what is upon this country. The bailout package will not work but I think the gov't was only trying to buy time for they are also ill-prepared for this crisis. It has hit much sooner than even they they expected.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

udate: I am glad some reasonable people are responding. I am not sure what to think. Will the troops rebel if commanded to shoot US citizens? I would hope so, but I just don't know.

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10/06 udate - ummm, why is everyone saying that I stated the 5,000 troops will be used to control the entire 300 million population? Where does my post say that? Could this division be used for crowd control as STATED IN THE ARTICLE? Yes, I think they could but NOT spread across the entire US....come on people, give me a break.

I am sure there will be other divisions brought home soon for the same purpose.....

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ADD it up ,will you

ARE you kidding me ...1 briggade does not a Country control ... IF anything they would be used to defend the Capital, D.C....That is the best (1 )briggade is worth....GET with the numbers....AND quit being scared of your own shadow, for now...
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1 brigade deployed... 2 millions active & reserve on deck.

You try to add it up. That one brigade may have been deployed but the majority of active military is right here 'in country' in case they need to be called upon.

It's not the 'brigade' that worries us... it's the fact they can now be deployed against us that should be making your balls sweat right about now.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I agree...

and the concentration of most of the unrest would be in and around Washington D.C. along with the offices and homes of most of the members of Congress and major media types not widespread hodgepodge around the Country.

It's my understanding a brigade is about 4-5,000 troops

That's hardly enough to control a population of 350 million.

You really think so?

Look at protesting in this country. Is protesting not one of our rights? Almost every single time a protest goes on, the cops always come up with a reason to squash them. And then the media reports on how crazy and dangerous the protesters are.

Would you say that the number of police, compared to the number of protesters, is pretty slim? And guess what, they have pretty much whatever weapons they want at their disposal.

Because of this, the vast majority of Americans absolutely refuse to take a stand. Why? Because protesting is for dangerous freaks who don't love their government or whatever else they are protesting against. And protesters get targeted by the police.

So essentially, very few police DO control a large number of people. The fear and intimidation tactics by them make entire cities stay in their seats, while only a handful have the courage to stand up.

I would imagine that the American people will be a little more afraid and intimidated by the military doing the policing. If they have to, they will make a huge example out of one city and then the rest of the country will live in fear. They will be told that "terrorists" were out of control in that city... and then they will believe that only terrorists are against what's going on.. and well... we're not terrorists, right?

You may be underestimating the American people's

response to a declaration of martial law. If little king george declared himself dictator, the American people would not be to happy. They would rise up in arms and they own lots of guns. Plus I believe there are a lot of policemen and military people who would NOT follow his instructions!

It would be for a hot spot

If something like the LA riots or the seattle protests started, it would be more than enough to quickly quell that, and make a strong statement that no one else better complain.

My experience with campaigning this election was that most people will not think for themselves, and as long as their one media source says to do something , they will.

If I were to guess, I would believe that they are anticipating a very close election, and all it would take to have some serious unrest is for another recount, or voter fraud scandal.

Just like Katrina

They'll start in the cities-where most of our population is concentrated. People will want to be "saved" because food and energy can be frozen by the "credit crisis". Here's them practicing:
http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=9066
It's not gonna be national martial law-they'll lock down the most concentrated areas of population first. By lock down I mean they'll offer "relief" to those people who are forced into tent cities by giving them a ride to a convenient FEMA camp.
How many collies do you need for a flock of sheep?

So, the object for all patriots is to make sure they aren't forced from their house. Make sure they don't take the "relief". Finally don't allow any military/paramilitary/police/whatever with a gun into your house-show them your gun first.

The first combat brigade is going to do exactly what?

What are they going to do?

If you are going to present an argument follow it through to the next logical step.

There are 300+ million of us.

What's the plan? Do you have a plan for an infantry brigade in the US.

Are they going to "lock down" something?

What?

Iraq has 28,000,000....150,000 US troops on the ground for six+ years and they really don't have total control of the road to the airport in Bagdhad. The US has 300,000,000 and ten times the land mass as Iraq.

This talk of martial law is irresponsible and it is wrong.

It paints all of us who have supported Dr.Paul for the last year as irresponsible.

The better part of the military and retired military in this country are loyal to the constitution not to someone with a ridiculous idea about five thousand Americans trying to lock up 300 million Americans.

What are you talking about?

Common sense?

What does common sense have to do with this thread?

I suggest we all do as Dr. Paul does.

Unify

I not sure why you find my original post

lacking in common sense? Is my post making wild predictions or conclusions? I did not state that 5,000 troops will try and lock up 300 million Americans, and I can't control what others post.

My post just simply states that I expect civil unrest as this unfolds. The 3rd infantry being deployed is just the gov't taking some protective measures. I was just merely making the connection between the deployment and the reason for it. The article itself says that they will used for crowd control. I am sure more will be deployed as time goes on.

However, do feel the threat for Martial Law is real and that some areas will be locked down if cash, food and gas are in short supply.
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I tend to agree. It's

I tend to agree. It's ridiculous, and gives our political enemies a power they do not possess.

In the first place, our own troops are on our side. In the second place, even if they were not--if they can't control 28 million starving Iraqis in desert terrain, I'm curious to know how they would control 150 million gun owners in mixed terrain who are armed with hunting rifles and shotguns. No infantry that has ever existed, from the beginning of time, could control such a civilian populace.

What all this is, is an acknowledgement of our failure to gain any traction in the political system. "We lost, but--screw it--Americans are going to all be put in FEMA camps, anyway."

Why don't we harness all that negative energy and start planning a winning presidential ticket for 2012?

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Not all our troops are on our side

I have a friend in the marines and he is fully prepared to deploy on US soil if ordered to do so. Fully prepared to do sweeps for weapons and take out any threats. His view on the constitution after being in the marines for 10 years now, is that it's an old document written for a different time. He did not have this belief prior to joining. So I would imagine that he is not the only one who will go ahead and follow the orders he's given.

Once again, it would be

Once again, it would be almost physically impossible for this government to impose martial law on a wide scale. The very act of such a declaration would also instantly cause a vast division, not only in the population, but also in the military and law enforcement. Additionally, it would be such a massive burden on the economic system of this country that most commerce would shut down, causing even more stress and political unrest, so much so that this government would not be able to contain it on the scale needed to suppress such unrest.

Yes, they are idiots up there in Washington, but surely they are not that stupid and martial law would be a very stupid move on their part.

I think however, we would be surprised at the response of the People, with high percentages of the population already angry with Congress and the Bush Administration, there is a likelihood that there would be far more unrest than we might think.

Think about it for a minute....since 9/11, just a strange looking package can shut down city blocks, or an entire air port or train station or large business complex or an interstate. The response of this government is one of not irrationality, but of complete incompetence, they can't even secure the border or our ports. Martial Law would be a completely logistical nightmare for the government to execute in a manner that would sufficiently suppress unrest or potential threats real or imagined.

Hypothetically speaking, of course, it would not take much to cause absolute havoc in layers of systems throughout this country, it is extremely vulnerable even if the government grounded a massive show of force.

Look at the examples of what has happened over the last few years when a strange package is seen in a particular location. In fact, there was one case where an advertising company put several small electronic components along a highway, some concerned citizen called it in and low and behold the entire stretch of the highway was shut down for hours until they realized it was nothing more than an advertising stunt for an electronics company.

There are holes, hundreds of thousands of holes in the security net of this country and if the government actually did impose Martial Law they would have the biggest quagmire on their hands that they ever imagined. It would be the biggest mistake, the biggest disaster for them that they could ever make.

The great thing about a massive bureaucracy is that it is lumbering, extremely inefficient and disorganized throughout its massive layers of operations, add a massive economic collapse on top of all that and you have a perfect example of a dysfunctional system. It would not take much to put the entire system in disarray, all it takes is a little creativity on the part of the People. In such bumbling bureaucracies the right hand rarely knows what the left hand is doing, and vice-versa, that along with the massive amounts of procedures, paper-work, commands and counter-commands make for a vast wasteland of inefficiency, broad holes in functionalities and enormous room for contradictions and inactivity. Such a system is ripe for misdirection and counteroffensive action.

Yes, there have been a huge amount of indoctrination over the years, but even at that, there is still a strong sense of loyalty to the Constitution, not only in the military, but also in law enforcement. After all, remember who got the most donations from the military during the primaries.

Martial law is the suspension of Constitutional Civil Law with Martial or Military Law, with Military Tribunals instead of civil courts. The presence of the military on the streets is not necessarily a sign that Martial Law has been imposed, when the Writ of Habeas Corpus is suspended and the first Military Tribunal is held then you have Martial Law.

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CANADIANS will try

It will not be the third ..They will only protect WASHINGTON D.C. ...The CANADIANS will be brought in to handle the rest of AMER. ...NORTH AMER MIL TREATY....just went into effect...Did you forget..??
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Ninety percent of all

Ninety percent of all Canadians are currently amassed within 100 miles of the US border! Like, they are ready to strike, eh?

Yeah

'cause the Mounties are just itchin to waste our sorry asses. Sure.

I would be more worried about a Mexican force. Those guys are not friendly. Neither would I be pleased with Russian or Chinese forces as I don't expect them to be to understanding of our independent sentiments.

British would be all business, but rather polite about it. And the French would just wish they could go home and not be bothered.

no......

no order like that shall be given......
No order like shoot to kill.
It goes against the geneva convention.
Throw your hands up in the air.
Nor will they round us up.
It is for the unruly, and people, you are all doing a good job at that!
So, it seems the administration is getting away with one more thing without any real resistance.
Don't be afraid until there is no food at the stores.
A key to knowing this is when your local fast food place runs out first, because these guys pre-order there food.
So if McDonalds or Dominos pizza runs out of food, prepare!
The reason is because they order food way ahead of time.
Stores have daily shipments.
FYI.
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"The real terrorist's are in this country. They are not planning to blow us up,......... but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."

Nonsense

I've worked food service for about 12 years. Most places get weekly or semi-weekly shipments. Few if any, get daily. Though some product, like refrigerated, dry, supplies, etc. may be staggered on different days from different suppliers.

The most likely explanation of a food joint running out of something, even a lot of things is POOR MANAGEMENT. Happens all the time. You'd be amazed at how much product restaurants 'borrow' from their in-town competition on a regular basis either because they misjudged an order, the supplier did the same, or one of a hundred other excuses. A messy an unkempt stockroom, and a little employee theft, and *poof* no more french fries three days later. One idiot at a distribution warehouse can screw up whole truckloads before the error is caught.

Seriously, be prepared, and pray for the best. When the store shelves are repeatedly and continuously not stocked and absolutely BARE, then you need to start worrying. Of course if you are prepared, you have much less to worry about than those who aren't.

sorry,.......

but so am i, so when they don't order crap it shows, but use common sense with stuff like this. Obviously ask if there is a shortage of food, do not just assume!
Poor management has a lot to do with food not being ordered, but I am saying use common sense, if there is no items to purchase for food, come on, is it because management forgot to order fries?
Some of you guys are seriously pessimistic, look at you guys, with all the what ifs!?!?!
Prepare, don't instigate.

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"The real terrorist's are in this country and they are not planning to blow us up, but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."

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"The real terrorist's are in this country. They are not planning to blow us up,......... but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."

5000 or so soldiers

is no match for 300 million citizens, at least 80 million of which are armed, some to the teeth. Even if every one of them were intent on killing everything that moved, which they aren't, those 5000 don't stand a chance.

I doubt seriously that would be enough to effectively lock down and secure even one major city of over 500K people. This doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of smaller cities, towns, rural areas, etc.

There's a reason we have never been invaded. It's a logistical nightmare. Maybe only China could attempt it, but pulling it off would be another matter.

Is it bad precedent? Definitely.

Does it mean martial law is imminent? Hardly.

Taking guns

away after Katrina did not phase the majority of the "sheeple", as far as I could tell.

Then again, if they keep it off from the news. and all means of communication happen to go down for a few days. It wouldn't take long to control the starving masses.

Keep in mind this new digital tv for 2009 (being pushed by the government). I had a T/W employee explain that the changes are happening so that a specific ban length will be dedicated for emergency access only. How convenient. Prevents outside intererence at that particular frequency (?) .

Forgive me, I have no saavy in this area. Maybe someone else would be kind enough to correct me or elaborate.

I'm starting to think people being armed doesn't amount to much

It seems like most people just want to protect their home. Do you think that even a million people will actually get up and make a move? Or will they wind up confiscating 80 million guns?

good point.

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"The real terrorist's are in this country and they are not planning to blow us up, but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."

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"The real terrorist's are in this country. They are not planning to blow us up,......... but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."

People won't make a move

until everything is taken from them and they have nothing to lose. Liberty won't gain it's appeal until we are backed in a corner, no job, no food, no money, no home, no car, no healthcare, no travel...

From my understanding of the book of Revelation, liberty will be a thing of the past. The one world government will fail. In steps the ''saviour" (anti-Christ) he will perform miracles and convince all (entire world population) to worship his image. REAL ID would accomplish this just fine.

For that worship/ allegiance (REAL ID) you will receive shelter, food, and healthcare.

"Freedom's just another name

"Freedom's just another name for nothing else to lose"

lyrics from "Me & Bobby McGee"

I disagree

The grape vine is a powerful thing, They might disarm a few small locations but as soon as they move in and disarm a large cities populance its over for them the disamring will stop there.

That will start bloody revolution faster than anything else. A part of me hopes they are foolish enough to try that because sadly it seems most people are so asleep that they need the burning frying pan to the cheek that that would be as their wake up call.

If it were to happen it would go through the grape vine like a lightning bolt and HUGE milities would form over night in many many cities. They do not have the logistical ability to launch such an attack, they would only try in despiration as a last ditch effort. They have think tanks that are possed with this very situation and they all tell them the same thing, it can not be done. Open mility conflict on US soil against its people is impossible without an army of equal size. No foreign army but chinas would be up to the task and they could never get to our shores in such numbers. They lose in the sprint in every senerio, thats why they are in the long run gradually building a base lying, cheating, stealing. Trying to slip in under the radar. They are in the lions den, if they wake the beast its over.

Lets hope they are so ignorant and over confident that they try something so foolish. The sooner we force them to show their hand the better it will be for us.

Some DA with balls needs to serve papers and arrest Bush that would start the ball rolling I think.

The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare

What kind of 'move'

are you looking for?

If the military is called in to keep order or back-up local police or National Guard units in the midst of riots, what do you want citizen gun owners to do? Attack the 3rd ID? Are you nuts? Would you have us surround city hall or our state capitols and precipitate a call of open INSURRECTION?

NO!

The best thing for gun owners to do is protect their families and property so the police/National Guard/Military doesn't have to. Those forces will more than likely view RATIONAL citizen gun owners as HELP and RELIEF - not the enemy.

Something tells me there are people on this forum who will be a large part of the problem in a civil unrest/tense situation which will only play into the hands of the NWO so they can say, "See, People shouldn't have guns because they aren't responsible."

You know damned good and well, we won't hear about the crimes or violence that never happened due to armed citizens, we will only hear about the nutjobs who went "militia" on the government who "were only trying to help and were fulfilling their duty to ensure law and order." Reality of the situation matters not, it will be the perception of it that does.

DO NOT FIRE THE FIRST SHOT. If we are to defend our country against our own government, so be it, but let them take the first shot. Otherwise, YOU ARE in insurrection and your rebellion SHOULD be put down.

The rest of us will have enough to protect our families and property from and we don't need some wacko making things worse. It may be such an improper response from an itchy trigger group that FORCES a civil war. Why would you want to do that?

These guys in the 3rd are not all trigger happy slaughter machines hell bent on wasting you and yours. They are our friends, brothers, sisters, uncles, fathers, etc. They sure as hell don't want Atlanta to end up like Fallujah, and I would hope and expect they would do what was needed if called upon to nip in the bud any yokel who tried to bring such chaos about.

I didn't mean "move" like that

I think the problem is, one "emergency" and a few sweeps, our chances of ever even convincing them to help us is gone. I was in the Army and I know they are not the enemy. It's the banking cartel, those guys need to GO! That's a move worth making.