Men Who Died Giving Us This Freedom--What would they think of us today??

If I were to put into words what they think Micheal would give me the boot!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

telling them about obama's victory and the implications was one of the hardest things i've ever done. i almost felt like a traitor for my lack of action.

i talk with them here:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/72777

Dr. Paul couldn't have said it better that time when he said this: "Our founding fathers would be ashamed of us for what we're putting up with!"

People whom hold the "Founders" so dear are our enemies. Their have ALWAYS been evil men alongside good men. the Constitutional Convention was no exception.

We should keep in mind, there were 74 Delegates to the Constitutional Convention. A Simple Majority would have required 38 signatures. Only 55 Delegates were left at the end of the Convention, for various reasons. But on final signing, there were only 39 signatures. This does not reflect that some kind of Glorious Law had just been created. It reflects that they continued to make small compromises until JUST ENOUGH would sign.

It should also be noted that the Constitution was UNLAWFULLY ratified. The Articles of Confederation CLEARLY require ALL states to agree, not 9 out of 13, but they wrote into the NEW Constitution, that had not yet been accepted, that ratification of the NEW Constitution only required 9 of 13. And so they used the NEW Law, which was not yet effective, to pass the New Law which was not yet passed.

It is VERY CLEAR that had the Law been followed, considering that only 52% of the Delegates could agree on the New Constitution, the New Constitution would NEVER have passed in accordance with the Law that was in effect.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" Bugs Bunny
"Scwewy Wabbit!" Elmer Fudd

will be won or lost by one man armies. Our founders did not have the technology and other gadgets looming over them like a giant eye. This war will be fought by people who one day decide what they will do and then do it. There will be no rah,rah to get them together because there is no one to trust. There will be no getting together because that is what the enemy wants. It makes their job easier. Just my two old cents.

But we must all remember that most people...are average. And most pursue that "averageness" with everything they've got--accepting virtually everything, questioning nothing and willing, if pushed, to vilify anyone who dares to question the status quo. For goodness sake--people thought Ron Paul was/is a kook. Can you imagine???

Well, the status quo is coming to a hard stop--and soon. And the nice, but average dopey dopes we call our fellow citizens will, with eyes rolling, shake themselves and ask, "What happened?" And those of us out in the wilderness all these years will get very little satisfaction from saying, "Told ya so..."

I don't know...I'm very frustrated myself...and way too cynical for my own good.

Caused by the paper money created from "nothing" (other than a promise to repay in the future) by the Continental Congress and the various State Legislatures... Hence the phrase "not worth a Continental." (And their were other previous "paper money" experiments, which typically worked for a while, then got out of hand and ultimately failed).

In addition, they had also already experienced having soldiers quartered in their homes, pillaging their cities, etc.

But none of that stopped THEM from making similar errors themselves (Alien & Sedition Acts of the Adams administration, Washington suppressing the "whiskey rebellion" etc).

The founding fathers were most certainly NOT omniscient, nor were they perfect saints to be worshiped.

What they were, was men who had themselves made or experienced many of these disastrous policies and actions multiple times.

They tried their best to come up with a system (actually two systems, the first having failed within a little more than a decade -- and indeed multiple more systems if you count the various state constitutions, etc) -- and came up with a fairly good one... but with several significant "gaping holes" that were later used to drive massive changes through.

and this was bound to happen.