A move to secede on California-Oregon border
A move to secede on California-Oregon border
Yreka, Siskiyou County -- Some folks around here think the economic sky is falling and state lawmakers in Sacramento and Salem are ignoring their constituents in the hinterlands.
Guess the time is ripe to create a whole new state.
That's the thinking up here along the border between California and Oregon, where 12 sparsely populated, thickly forested counties in both states want to break away and generate the 51st star on the nation's flag - the state of Jefferson.
You can see the signs of discontent from Klamath Falls to Dunsmuir, where green double-X "Jefferson State" flags hang in scores of businesses. You can hear the talk of revolution at lunch counters and grocery lines, where people grumble that politicians to the north and south don't care.
You can even hear the dissent on the radio, where 21 area FM stations broadcast from Oregon into California under the banner of "Jefferson Public Radio."
"We have nothing in common with you people down south. Nothing," said Randy Bashaw, manager of the Jefferson State Forest Products lumber mill in the Trinity County hamlet of Hayfork. "The sooner we're done with all you people, the better."
Talking about secession has been a quasi-joking conversational saw since 1941, when five counties in the area started things by actually declaring themselves - briefly - to be the state of Jefferson. But now, with the economy in trouble and unemployment soaring, the idea of greater independence is getting its most serious consideration since World War II.
Locals complain that federal and state regulators have hampered the fishing and timber industries to protect forestlands and endangered species such as sucker fish and the spotted owl. Jobs are so scarce that the median income in the area is only two-thirds that of the rest of the state. Most water from the rainy Shasta region is shipped south, with little economic benefit to the area. Even the California sales tax draws sneers.
If they ran their own state, the reasoning goes, folks in Siskiyou, Modoc and the other potential Jefferson counties could whack the red tape from both federal and state officials and get rid of the sales tax.
http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=1218.msg3516;topi...
Forming another state is not secession!
Why would you go to all the trouble to get out of the 'union' just to form another tyrannical governmental entity and get right back into it?
Dumb
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
This thread illustrates a
This thread illustrates a huge problem in our movement. Lots of talk no action. Just count how many people in this thread said something to the effect of; If it takes off I will support it?
Get off your ass and get involved so it will take off! If it never takes off it might be because of you as they were one person short so they scraped it...
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Went to college in Klamath Falls & hung out all over that area
It is a tremendous place to live. Might return to the USA if this were to become a reality.
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Thank you for the link. I hope we can extend the line further south to include Del Norte, Humbolt and Mendo, Trinity counties!!! Grange was created (by masons) for farmers after the civil war to get food on Americans tables. Grange is a place where RP rEVOlution could thrive. GO GRANGE!!! Awesome!
WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
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Silly people
Thinking they can be free. Maybe they'll put em in a reservation.
It happen in Montana , the
It happen in Montana , the ring leader was murdered and they made them forgive the debts they place on the city to raise seed money.
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Sounds like an idea... maybe more will do the same!
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I'm confused
it must be the hour!!
Why do they want to create the 51st star? Isn't the point to secede from the Nation? Or I guess, you are going to just secede from your state? If a new state is made it could help marginally, I guess.
I want away from the evil, but the elites are taking over the World. How do you escape?
The Liberals with UN Agenda 21
People move up here because they say it's so beautiful and they love it. The next thing you know they are doing everything in their power to change it.
WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
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They have a website!!!!!
Here it is!
http://www.jeffersonstate.com/about.html
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"The real terrorist's are in this country and they are not planning to blow us up, but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."
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"The real terrorist's are in this country. They are not planning to blow us up,......... but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."
I didn't know
cows howled!!
hmmmmm.....
I wonder how many people will want to move hear if they actually get what they want? Hypothetically of course.
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"The real terrorist's are in this country and they are not planning to blow us up, but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."
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"The real terrorist's are in this country. They are not planning to blow us up,......... but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."
hmmm, I was thinking the
hmmm, I was thinking the same thing. Maybe they can use one more nurse.
Damn, I hate the cold! We need a free state project in the south. I wish the Florida Keys would officially be the free CONCH REPUBLIC.
"Every generation needs a new r3VOLution"- Thomas Jefferson
free state of jones
Jones county MS broke away from the union and the confederacy during the civil war. They ended up getting their asses kicked by both sides.
Yes! "State Of Jefferson - A State Of Mind"
most beautiful country ....
if Jefferson does finally become a state - I will be heading west!
If I remember correct - the war interfered with Jefferson becoming
a state ... I think they were overlooked and go the shove.
Dont forget the big wooden
Dont forget the big wooden barn that reads jefferson on the roof!
right next to the metal cow!!!!! that cow gets me every time!
nor cal and south oregon is ron paul country BIG TIME!
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Yes sir it is big time Ron
Yes sir it is big time Ron Paul/Thomas Jefferson country! I live in the Corvallis area now but my heart is in Medford and Klamath Falls. The Jefferson sentiment is huge among natives...my dad would tell me about it when I was a kid...now that I'm jobless...maybe I would think about moving back down to support this movement if it takes off.
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The State of Jefferson has always been serious business...
The State of Jefferson has always been serious business...only WWII stopped the original movement.
I'm a born Jefferson Stater. You will see in Southern Oregon and Northern Cali signs like Jefferson State Concrete, Jefferson State this and that.
Maybe it is time for the Jefferson Staters to rise again!
Read more about the Jefferson State movement here(not a new movement):
http://www.jeffersonstate.com/
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Isn't the State of Jefferson the whole "four corners" area?
CA, OR, NV, ID?
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Nope...
Nope...go to http://www.jeffersonstate.com/ and the map is towards the bottom. You can also read the history and see the flag with the double XX symbolising the double crossing capitols of Salem, Or and Sacramento, CA. Lots of history at that site.
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It's been a while since I visted that site.
Not much in that corner except high desert anyway, I used to see people driving through town with their "State of Jefferson" license plate frames.
I'm actually going to look at property there in the coming weeks.
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Lisa C.
Boston Tea Party
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What?
What? Desert? There is a little high desert in the east, but is not like Arizona or anything. Very Green and Wet from at least the middle all the way to the west coast.
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Wow! The part of my state here has always joked about secession
but no one's ever done anything besides talk about it!
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Caught in the middle?
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Sounds like a great plan. America could be like a big disney world with little kindoms with their own specific charm...
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Wish you folks all the best!
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Yea for NorCal.
I have a NorCal sticker on my car. I'm sure there have been Aussies behind me at lights going, "What's a Norkle?".
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Boston Tea Party
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Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
haha
spent a few years in Del Norte county too- (Crescent City) I see no reason why these fine Americans should have to be dragged into all this mess lol
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It's quite a thing to drive through the State of Jefferson.
They are very serious about it.
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Lisa C.
Boston Tea Party
"Time to Party Like It's 1773!"
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Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
I will move there in a heartbeat...
If it works!
I am pretty sure I would be
I am pretty sure I would be right behind you..