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WTF? Ron Paul gets an F?
Submitted by JUSTCOMEHOME on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 15:02
This supposedly "respected" Veterans group gave Ron Paul a grade of F, for his voting record in regards to Veterans. To be honest, this article feels like disinformation, but I'm surprised it's on the front page of the Army Times. http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/10/military_vets_congress... » |
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I think
this is similar to "our government" and "our people."
Here's my email to IAVA:
Hello,
I'm an Iraq veteran and I am appalled at the grades you have assigned to representatives.
The grades are completely superficial and meaningless. They only focus on one thing, whether or not a representative voted in favor of increased veteran spending or not. How about including into your grades whether or not representatives voted in favor of expanding war around the world or not?
Further, whether a bill was unconstitutional or not does not seem to matter to your ogranization, and the Constitution is what we are sworn to protect.
What actually matters is the content of bills. As an extreme example, and to make a point, if a bill came through that offered $100 million to veterans along with a trillion to bailout banks, and a representative voted against it, then apparently that would get them a lower grade at IAVA, when in actuality they should be commended for such an action.
The sad irony is that the representatives voting in favor of increased spending, thus getting grades of A and B, are often the representatives that also want to send the military into more wars.
What's the deal?
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thank you
for serving our country sir. Thank you for believing in Ron Paul.
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Besides an automated reply, the response I got to this:
Your message
To: info@IAVA.org
Subject: I'm an Iraq veteran
Sent: 10/7/2008 5:27 PM
was read on 10/7/2008 5:28 PM.
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Ron Paul's Convention Speech
"respected Vets group"- another AIPAC propaganda wing
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1221489049709&pag...
American Iraq war veterans tour Israel
Sep. 16, 2008
ALI LIFSHITZ , THE JERUSALEM POST
The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America arrived in Israel this week for a week-long tour.
The group of enlisted soldiers, medics, pilots, and military officers decided to visit Israel after some IDF soldiers they met at an event suggested coming to Israel to learn about the culture and meet more Israeli veterans.
Paul Rieckhoff, director and founder of IAVA and a nationally recognized authority on the war in Iraq and American military issues, told The Jerusalem Post "I've always wanted to go to Israel... Israel's a close ally of the US and it was a great opportunity."
Scheduled for the group are tours to several military bases as well as some of Israel's more famous historical and geographical locations, including the Golan Heights, Masada, and the Old City in Jerusalem. On the agenda as well are some hikes and a briefing by Public Security Minister Avi Dichter. When asked about the group's impression of Israel based on what they've seen here and in their previous encounters with Israelis, Rieckhoff replied that "Israel is a model of social involvement... It's great to be in a country where everyone is so involved, where everyone understands sacrifice and what it means."
The group was also impressed by Israel's military achievements; The consensus among the US Veterans who have had contact with members of the IDF is that Israeli soldiers are "dynamic, innovative fighters."
Pieckhoff also asserted that he had a tremendous amount to learn from his friends that served in the IDF, and that he had in fact studied up on the Israeli military before his unit's counter-insurgency operations in Iraq.
Another thing that struck the group was the prominence of the military in Israeli culture. "You can tell from the moment you get here that Israel appreciates its soldiers, Israel supports its soldiers. Its soldiers and its people are one, which is very different from what you see in the US... I think the US has lost some of that appreciation," Pieckhoff said.
The IAVA is a non-profit group education and advocacy organization that seeks to promote awareness of and benefits for all those who are fighting or have fought in the war on terror.
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"The group was also impressed by Israel's military achievements; The consensus among the US Veterans who have had contact with members of the IDF is that Israeli soldiers are "dynamic, innovative fighters."
Israel's military achievements were in the past. Not too long ago, they essentially lost to Hezbollah in Lebanon. Also, if the are such great fighters, why do they have to rely on the U.S. for support and protection?
"Another thing that struck the group was the prominence of the military in Israeli culture. "You can tell from the moment you get here that Israel appreciates its soldiers, Israel supports its soldiers. Its soldiers and its people are one, which is very different from what you see in the US... I think the US has lost some of that appreciation," Pieckhoff said."
Israel has a universal draft. Every citizen has to serve except for a few exemptions. Of course its soldiers and its people are one, they are one and the same.
So in other words... it's an Astroturf group.
Not all that surprising, seeing that the founder (Pieckhoff ) is a former NYC investment banker.
re: NYC investment banker
Peculiar how this tight little group is so interconnected and pervasive...
Special interest group... "me" first yet again.
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And... in reality from the Geneva Conventions and the Nuremberg War Crime trials.
Ridiculous
This is completely ridiculous. Its all about who voted for spending bills.
Ron Paul votes against all of them. You know the thing is though, veteran's care is one of the few areas that RP uses as an example for areas in which federal spending is acceptable.
I think the cash soldiers gave Ron Paul settles this argument
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-- Thomas Paine
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Gee, I wonder why he was the #1 presidential candidate
to receive the most donations from soldiers.
Consider the source -- Army Times = war propaganda.
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These grades are completely ignorant.
And so are the veterans assigning them.
The grades are completely superficial. They only focus on one thing, whether or not a representative voted in favor of increased veteran spending or not.
Whether the bill was unconstitutional or not does not seem to matter to them.
They don't even bother to cover the content of such bills. As an extreme example, to make a point, if a bill came through that offered $100 million to veterans along with a trillion to bailout banks, and a representative voted against it, then that would get them a lower grade, when in actuality they should be commended for such an action.
The sad irony is that the reps voting in favor of increased spending, thus getting grades of A and B, are also the reps that want to send the military into more wars.
Ron Paul's Convention Speech
Wouldn't be surprised if this group was funded by Obama
supporters in order to try to make Obama look better in the eyes of the military.
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Ron Paul's Convention Speech
i am sure...
because he never votes for any spending of any kind. he still got the most money from troops, and considering they usually don't have a lot of disposable income, that's saying a lot.
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iava.org
IAVA's Ron Paul page
Click on the 'votes' tab to see how Ron Paul voted on issues that the IAVA decided were important for veterans.
IAVA's Legislative Priorities page
It would be nice if they
It would be nice if they wrote up the reason why people voted for or against these bills. This would give a little more credibility to this grading system.
First time ever, I have seen Ron paul get an F. Their rating system is based on a cut and dry look with no constitutional considerations.
Anyone who sides against RP is officially...
the enemy.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Booo Yaaa
Absolutly
If voting could really change things,
it would be illegal. Here is hoping for change!