******** THIS IS WHY THE ELITES DONT LIKE ZEITGEIST ADDENDUM*****
Resources resources resources, This is what has value! not money.
Addendum shows how what is really important is resources and NOT MONEY, even GOLD may not be save us! Why? well you cant eat gold!
Do you need gold to survive? No
Do you need silver to survive? No
Do you need plots of land and clean water to survive? YES
So while some of you people that are saying that gold is the answer then you may need to rethink HOW YOU THINK.
The elite are buying up the world resources including water rights and plowable plots of land with worthless money and worthless gold when we are running around bartering fake money and rocks AKA gold and materialist things like diamonds!
wake up people! because the elite already have and one day they are gonna dump all the money, gold, diamonds they can just to buy up what really matters, and thats plots of land and clean water.
This is why the Addendum says forget money and concentrate on resources! its a warning to all of us!
The elite are switching fake money and rocks for real land and water!!!!!!!!
ITS A RACE and we must win or they will control it all!
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Now for religion.
The elites dont believe in morals and laws within religion
leaving them able to do as they please.
Now understand that to be on the same playing field as the elites you must remove all laws and morals yourself, this is the only way to crush them, praying your way out of it will not work! people pray everyday to stop starvation yet thousands still die! why would you think praying against a NWO would be any diff?
That is why Addendum says forget idol worship
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Now for technology!
for all you people who dont ever believe we will have androids doing all the work well thats just ignorant!
it may be 100 years or so but either way you need to do some research and see how far use humans have really come in this technology. here is a short clip of a future android http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez0JVeSQ0tM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TCJZZdGuHM
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The elite want resources
The elite dont follow by the rules! AKA religion
The elite dont need money because they can just print it!
The elite dont worry about making off grid energy, they make & control it
WHY CAN'T WE THINK LIKE THE ELITE?????
we can but people are just stuck on pilot mode WAKE UPPPPPP everyone! we are the elite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree and disagree...
Zeitgeist Addendum presents some ideas that are quite unique and to most outlandish... I would agree that the real value today is resources but technology is really the key... and that is what makes people valuable and the future bright.
For example, computers are made from silica... fuel can be made from water... two of the most abundant things on earth. It's the ability that comes from technology that guarantees the future. Regardless of what resource we have...
People stranded on a island 100 years ago thought it was hell. Now, people would pay thousands of dollars to be there! Its all in how we frame it... how we think about it...
Praying just to have something is really sad... however, having a spiritual connection and being able to connect one's self with a greater power is essential to living well in my opinion. Death is something we all will have to confront... but making the most out of the life we have, while we have it, is important to many.
Regardless of what happens, live life to it's fullest, enjoy the people around you and live with principle.
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The Elites LOVE "zeitgeist" and their shill Jordan Maxwell...
don't fool yourself for a minute about the agenda behind this Antichrist propaganda....
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This post
This post says/means/accomplishes nothing. Perhaps add something of substance to your argument and you might convert some people to your cult/religion.
Besides, Jordan Maxwell IS a nut job, which this movie has nothing to do with. . .
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What I am aiming at is the underlying agenda of the film...
and this type of NWO propaganda insanity is best beaten down by ridicule
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Again, can you elaborate in
Again, can you elaborate in any detail?
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When Intellectual
When Intellectual Materialism is mentioned. . .that perfectly explains the sort of thing that keeps us down. NO evolution of thoughts and ideas, but rigid holding on to belief systems(BS). This is expressed in Washington and beyond as Mammalian Politics. See the work of Robert Anton Wilson for more on this and many more ideas.
I think that is why the true free market people on here don't like this movie, because they can't/won't see past a way of co-existing that isn't reliant upon monetary fixtures. They get pissy at new ideas and so talk down to people who like the movie, nothing new here as you can find similar types of protective reactions among Liberal, Conservatives, Religious types, etc.
New ideas and opportunities are necessary for evolution, and this current system does not provide a sustainable venue for such a process to occur. We are only getting as much evolution as makes profits, and that is one of the basic premises of the movie.
And for the people who say that the movie contains a bunch of NWO, flippy-hippy new age beliefs are TOTALLY missing the reality which is that we are part of an integral contuum of life and we cannot displace ourselves from it. To say we are One is the simplest way to explain reality in a way that science is showing us now. We are all self-aware parts of an Infinite universe. . .our ideas are shit compared to the wonder that exists in and around us as a species, a planet, a solar system, a galaxy and beyond. Did you realize that just recently they discovered millions of other galaxies outside of our own!?!? It doesn't stop, and we are, to put things into perspective for you all, not even on a microscopic level in comparison to all that is!!!
So yeah, call it hippie bullshit, say it's all NWO Propaganda, that is fine. But deny what science is showing us and you will know you are wrong. This movie doesn't provide all answers, only a few possibilities.
It should be obvious to us all that our entire economic system is collapsing never to return. We of all groups should understand this as we cannot stop this financial juggernaut. So we should be focusing on new ways of doing things, and this movie suggests that very much so.
Sure it says we should avoid the political game, and I agree. Politics is not why I'm here! I'm here because I believe in the power of people to create change and I've found an amazing well of collective power in this movement but it's just not very self-aware and very divided. I originally started supporting Ron Paul because he was the only guy attacking the Fed, but let's be honest he's not the ideal candidate. We need to bring decision making down to the local level, with feedback loops going from bottom up to the top and down again. . .
Wisdom councils are the one thing that would have made this movie beyond golden! But who knows, maybe in part three he'll know about these processes, because I highly doubt this movie will spawn some sort of movement that will save the planet! That is the one thing I didn't find palpable in this movie!
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You PRO movie (fantasy folks) REALLY out to take a look at...
Any video that attacks profit, capitalism, money and free markets as evil doesn't get good marks in my book.
Everything was strawman roughly.... "the US is the most capitalized country of earth.... it also has the most prison population"... Blaming capitalism for fascism....
It's whole FED section; it's section on interest is amazingly wrong... And no I'm not just saying that.. go search this forum for Zeitgeist Addendum... Schiff has a comic book that enlightens really well.
After all that, if NEVER mentions the upcoming collapse is because of the Central Bank.
It says getting Ron Paul elected will do shit all....
The movies a piece of crap fantasy land... mockumentary if anything (for those that have been sucked by it)
I've watched both as well. Got the first on hard drive... but watching this second one, makes me want to go back & re-watch the first... cus I must have missed something completely; or.. they've used the success of the first to drive this crap down everyone's throats.
There is a lot of factual stuff in there, in terms of the FED part... most of it is correct.. what I dislike is in between these truths, they lace massive fallacies... and it's repetitious throughout the whole thing.... profit is bad.... interest is bad... free markets are bad... money is bad... capitalism is bad..... free markets are bad....
And I wouldn't mind that... if they were legitimate criticisms. But they aren't. They are strawmen... false labeling etc... it's an esoteric agenda against all we've stood for...
This even goes without mentioning the Ron Paul part.... do you think they could have possibly done the whole; "Ron Paul wouldn't change anything" "Don't even bother" "Reject the political system" tirade, if they didn't mention him earlier?
People would be like...... wait, WTF that was out of no-where... it preaches NO hope like you wouldn't believe, just give up - 'transcend into enlightenment' 'give up your wordly possessions'... it's communism speil of the promised land if I ever heard it... but they OMIT all that stuff, they don't do details in the movie.
And for the ass clowns that want me to go read the supposed essay, I will. When you read "What has government done to our Money?" since it completely destroys the whole no money notion in the film....
Basically, the film goes onto attack the system.... with a fair few false labels... but instead of going, ok fiat money is bad... why? It goes ALL money is bad... (Karl Marx said the same thing) It fails to understand the sheer basic fundamental concept of what money actually is.. a means of exchange.. There is also the unsaid abolition of property... who controls the means of production? Well they attack capitalism, so surely they don't mean private ownership... SO then you have PUBLIC ownership? SOCIALISM. Abolition of property - Thank Karl Marx for that too...
All they refer to money is; as debt and fiat... That's bad... yeah, we've been arguing that for the last 100 years. Just because you get a rotten apple, doesn't mean all apples are rotten..
I'm an atheist/agnostic, I used to be a chomskyite... semi-socialist left leaning independent. I have no cognitive dissonance when it comes to this film. I loved the first. But THIS - is - a - piece - of - shite.
Btw; poll going on at RPF - 80% (thumbs down this movie)..... you clowns are in the minority. And for good reason. RON PAUL SUPPORTERS; aren't fools. So wake up, you're giving us a bad name.
Did you just say the owner
Did you just say the owner of the site is a ASS CLOWN???? i sure hope not
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"And for the ass clowns that want me to go read the supposed essay, I will. When you read "What has government done to our Money?" since it completely destroys the whole no money notion in the film.."
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No.. that was referring to a few at rpf.
Can you address anything I said? You fail remarkably.
Blind faith, good on ya infospill... I expected so much more from you. :(
Ok, lets say you own a
Ok, lets say you own a postal service and you where doing great ! now someone invents a system that does the same thing as what your service does but even better and for free! Now tell me smart guy, how are you supposed to have a capitalist system? YOU CANT......
and in the future we will reach a point where things will be so automated that things will be free! so tell me smart guy, how are we suppose to have a capitalist system when everything is free!
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its his religion
Do not insult his god that he prays to. He is a very zealous man for his religion.
money bad resources
money bad resources good!
you cant eat money, resources are tasty!
so when your are happy counting all the stacks of billions of dollars from all the inflation i hope you look out the window to see a Haliburton truck drilling oil in your driveway and the rothchild family plowing your X 10 acre plot for their own consumption!
MONEY DOES NOT keep you alive !!!!!!!
FOOD AND LAND AND WATER DO!!!!!!!!!!
AND YOU are so smart you rather trade all your land and resources for money that you CANT EAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wake up already
NO MATTER WHAT MONEY SYTEM WE USE<> THEY WILL STRUCTURE IT TO THEIR LIKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE DONT NEED MONEY!!!!! WE NEED PLOWABLE FIELDS AND FOOD AND WATER !!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UPPPPP
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Don't you think you are begging the question?
You don't like capitalism. Ron Paul does. Fine. But what on earth are you going to replace it with?
A "resource based economy". That phrase could mean literally anything. Or nothing!
Zeitgeist Addendum never defines its terms. Neither do you apparently.
Rather than stick to Ron Paul's program - which is extremely critical of the status quo - you have to "re-invent the wheel".
If you want to focus on new technology, that's great. There is nothing wrong with innovation. However, if you want to tell people to give up politics and economics altogether then you can get stuffed.
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What has Government Done to our Money? - By Murray Rothbard.
You SIR, have never read anything like it in your life.
Here it is; http://mises.org/money.asp ... And here is the audio: http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=category&ID=92
Please tell me HOW you are defining money... are you doing the exact same thing as the movie is?
Representing money, as just FIAT currency? As debt?
Do you have no pre-conception of what money ACTUALLY is... a form of exchange?
Here is an except of the book; should you actually read it; display how inane and lunatic you have to be; to agree with marx about the abolition of money.
"1. The Value of Exchange
How did money begin? Clearly, Robinson Crusoe had no need for money. He could not have eaten gold coins. Neither would Crusoe and Friday, perhaps exchanging fish for lumber, need to bother about money. But when society expands beyond a few families, the stage is already set for the emergence of money.
To explain the role of money, we must go even further back, and ask: why do men exchange at all? Exchange is the prime basis of our economic life. Without exchanges, there would be no real economy and, practically, no society. Clearly, a voluntary exchange occurs because both parties expect to benefit. An exchange is an agreement between A and B to transfer the goods or services of one man for the goods and services of the other. Obviously, both benefit because each values what he receives in exchange more than what he gives up. When Crusoe, say, exchanges some fish for lumber, he values the lumber he "buys" more than the fish he "sells," while Friday, on the contrary, values the fish more than the lumber. From Aristotle to Marx, men have mistakenly believed that an exchange records some sort of equality of value—that if one barrel of fish is exchanged for ten logs, there is some sort of underlying equality between them. Actually, the exchange was made only because each party valued the two products in different order." .... it continues, now please go educate yourself.
Gold standard. Let the free market decide what money is.... SEA SHELLS used to be used as money... IRON used to be used as money... Hahaha.... let people use fiat if they are stupid enough, hell let anyone print up their own "InfoSpill bills" are try to use them as money.. Good luck getting people to accept them ;-) Which is why gold & silver have genuinely always become the STANDARD of money...
Please direct your questions to the book, because without a doubt; they are answered there.
You still haven't told me why if the nwo support money, free markets, capitalism, free trade etc.... WHY would they black out Ron Paul? Why would they attack us / ignore / defame? Why? why? why?!
Excellent insights
I especially liked the part about Robinson Crusoe and Friday. Great analysis!
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I think you have a very good point.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin
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It seems to me that money is quite inperfect to describe the reality of the economy, in my opinion.
Why not jsut use the reality to describe the reality of the economy?
Why not just express the wealth of person or even nation by listing and counting all the resources the person or the nation own?
Maybe, it's actually a VERY BAD IDEA to try to approximate wealth by using money.
Bartering may not be as difficult as we might think.
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good points but
the problem with barter is that it does not allow for specialization or division of labor. That is why money is needed, and the reason it exists.
EXAMPLE
If you make shoes and you want food you have to seek out a farmer in need of footwear in order to eat. It would be difficult to find people who need what you produce and also produce what you need. So difficult in fact that it would be easier to be self sustaining, and spend your time providing only the necessities. Their would be no luxuries or variety of goods and services.
That is where money comes in as a widely accepted means of exchange. It allows people to specialize their labor and still be able to trade their service or item with ease. Without money we would still be in the dark ages.
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most of what the film talks
most of what the film talks about will not take place for prob 50 years or more...
by that time most things will be automated virtually making things free....
all the robots need is resources to produce the free product.....
so there will be a abundance of items as long as there is a abundance in resources!!!!!!! driving down the price to nearly nothing!
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You are talking ECONOMIES of
You are talking ECONOMIES of scale... that already happens. Socialism gets in the way though.
Who owns the robots? Who decides how much, and of what to produce? Who innovates, improves, fixes things? Do the robots produces something out of nothing? >.<
Info - you say 50years.... ummmmm, say I download a pdf file.. it used to be a book worth $50 to make. I send it to a friend, there is cost oh so minimal in the brandwidth.... but then he COPY's it.. and creates another one.... and then passes that file onto another friend....
"driving down the price to nearly nothing! "
Wake up.
Resource-Based Economy?
I've been trying to keep an open mind towards this concept but it seems vague and impractical. The way I see it, the only way that you could eliminate money is if you eliminated trade altogether. "Money" came into existence naturally as a medium of exchange, gold and silver just happen to be the most popular monies throughout history. Other cultures use seashells, wampum, etc. In prisons cigarettes function as a widely accepted medium of exchange, or money. Even consumable goods could be used as monetary items. Would a resource-based economy eradicate trade in the interest of doing away with money? How would that jive with liberty? Am I missing something here?
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Yeah, bridging the gap isn't
Yeah, bridging the gap isn't easy is it? How else do resources get harvested without trade? I don't think you could stop trade. Someone will always be digging up stuff in hopes of using it to get something they need but can't just dig up.
I think what the deal is first is you must eliminate the concept of interest. No one should receive interest on something they loan out created from nothing. We must also recognize what has real value. Labor, resources, environment.
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever." - Thomas Jefferson
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
"Eliminate the concept of interest"? WTF?
Sorry. You can't kill ideas. If you want to abolish the practice of charging interest then you will have to use force to do that. Its called "socialism".
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You
You Zeitgeist-Addendum-Venus-Project-No-Money-Utopians are badly, badly misguided. You need to go read some books by Mises, Rothbard, and Hayek.
Yes, I liked the Zeitgeist films. There was lots of good stuff in there. But the part of it about money-less "resource-based" systems was completely out of the left field and flat out wrong, and it's causing terrible confusion now.
Not just no money, but no
Not just no money, but no governments, no institutions, no politics, no boarders. Politics is the science of government or the science of control of the mind. No controls over your mind. No institutions telling you what to think. No money, no leverage one can use to manipulate you. If this is all our world then we are all entitled to share it's resources.
Even Ron Paul has said that going back to the gold standard was not perfect or that many of his solutions to the problems we face are perfect. Only far better than what have and it will never be perfect because the concept of money is flawed to begin with. What gives gold or silver value? Why if it worth X amount of anything? If it took a certain amount of gold to craft something of great power, something of greater value than the sum of the parts making the whole. If having it will prolong life, cure sickness, restore youth in of itself. Then perhaps it would have a real tangible and practical value. Plus neither gold or silver are immune to manipulation. The only way money can not be manipulated is if it's not there to begin with.
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever." - Thomas Jefferson
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
I am all for no governments.
I am all for no governments. I'm an anarcho-capitalist.
Zeitgeist mis-defined profit, and misunderstands both money and free enterprise. That's all we need now... more confusion among the core of liberty lovers that were the last hope of standing up to the NWO.
you think you are confused.
try taking that 8th grade final exam from Kansas in 1865.
I'm not confused at all from the Zeitgeist films.. You speak for yourself.
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Word!
Here is that test:
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(1895 though)
How am i a venus project
How am i a venus project member now?
i am just not dumb enough to not see a future with just as many robots as laptops and cellphones!
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here it is,
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book/Paper_91
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Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?
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