Here is an interesting analysis projecting Libertarian Bob Barr's vote in the General Election: http://www.nolanchart.com/article5113.html
Do you think it is accurate, too low, too high?
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Wrong
Ron Paul ran as a libertarian a few years back and that makes Ron Paul the best libertarian ever.
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When was the last time a GOP president
supported the platform, or even kept his own promises.
If you like the LP platform, register LP. However, if you prefer the candidate of another party, vote for that candidate. What's the harm?
True
I think I am leaning towards exactly what you are saying and registering with the Libertarian Party and hopefully have some hope in getting a better candidate, but vote for Baldwin for now. It's sad that I feel like the Contitutional Party candidate is closer to libertarian than the Libertarian Party candidate. But you are correct. When was the last time a Republican candidate actually was close to the Republican Party platform (the traditional one that is). I wonder if this was Dr. Paul's hesitancy to endorse a candidate for so long.
no republicans running
I know we all know John McCain is no republican but I found it funny when I talked to one of the chairman in the republican party and they said you had the republican platform and you had a much thicker book of McCain's platform. The two were almost completely opposite. Then I asked why did you guys let this man be nominated. He just shrugged his shoulders.
My dilemma - Party or Candidate
So, I've recently learned that most of my political convictions fit within the libertarian ideas. I used to not care at all, seeing as useless to even try, and can thank Dr. Paul for showing me that I do have a choice.
Now I'm all ready to go and support the Libertarian Party ... and they pull a Barr on me.
Dr. Paul endorses Baldwin from the Constitution Party, and while the federal government role and foreign policy is there, the protection of personal liberties is not.
While I do not like Barr personally, and have questions about just how libertarian he truly is, and I have totally chided people for voting party lines without looking at candidate platforms, I can't help but think that a vote for a third party candidate is going to be seen as a vote for that party and the ideas of that party. I keep thinking that voting for Baldwin would be seen as voting support for prohibiting personal liberties based on morality.
If you are okay with the wording of the Constitutional Parties platforms and how they view personal liberties, I guess the decision is easy. If you are like me and they don't quite sit right with you, what do you recommend? Vote for the better person in Baldwin, or vote for the Party ideas in the Libertarian Party? Of course, if Barr doesn't uphold the ideas of the Libertarian Party, then is it really a vote for the ideas of the Libertarian Party?
Any thoughts on what message will be sent with either of those two votes?
The message sent if you vote
The message sent if you vote for Bob Barr is "I approve of Bob Barr". And I don't. So I'll be voting for someone else.
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First order of business is to vote your conscience
as long as its a 3rd party : ) I dont envy your delimma- but frankly if I was in-line with the Libertarians Id probably vote Barr and hope his party reins him in. Thats just me.
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While Barr may be the biggest LP vote getter...
he's NOT the "best Libertarian candidate ever". Barr's arrogance and treachery prevents him from having as much influence in this race as Ross Perot, John Anderson or George Wallace (Wallace actually won a big chunk of electoral votes, nearly throwing the race into the House of Representatives). Barr, Baldwin, Nader and McKinney could have amassed 20% of the electorate, even with the lying MSM and pollsters.
However, Barr's stupid actions regarding the multiparty press conference, combined with the CFL's failure to televise a decent third party debate has probably doomed the third party movement to capturing no more than 5%-7% of the popular vote nationwide. Most of that will come out of McCain's hide, or so we will be led to believe.
Impossible --
#1 - Ron Paul ran as a libertarian in 1988.
#2 - Barr is a fake and is a slimy calculating scumbag.
This could have been a great year for the LP but they let Karl Rove and his thugs hijack the process.
Write in Ron Paul if your state lets you.
Otherwise Go Chuck Baldwin.
I agree
I would vote for Nader or McCinney before I would ever vote for that neocon shill Bob Barr.
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we have a better candidate with a real chance to win
Ralph Nader
http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/statement-to-ron-pa...
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No Way
Nader has a real chance of winning? Nader has no chance of winning the Presidency and no chance of taking a single state. At best he'll battle with Barr and McKinney for 3rd. At worst he'll battle with Baldwin for 5th. His percentage of the vote will be <3%.
Nader just opened 22 new operation HQ across the nation
he has 4 times the money Barr has.
was on CNN with Wolf Blitzer last night and on FOX with Bill Oreilly
who do you think millions of angry Hillary voters will vote for?
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“The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence.” Dr. Ron Paul
"battle Barr & McKinney??" really?
both are REALLY embattled. She's looking goofy with her pond- full of executed prisoners after Katrina, and Barr...well he's just ...well Barr. He's got his supporters- but not near as many as Nader. Nader will defeat all of them soundly on name recognition alone. Baldwin will hopefully get all the RP supporters- but even then Nader is the 3rd party candidate to beat I would think.
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I subscribe to Reason Magazine
They seem to be big Barr supporters and not so much on Ron Paul.
You just can't fool
a "real" Ron Paul supporter. We know the real thing when we see it and Barr ain't it. Those of us suspicious of him from the beginning were all proven to be right.
Bye bye Bobo, the CIA wants you back and the DEA wants you to help them plan the next phase of the War on Drugs.
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Yes, that's one of the hazards of suspicion
If you don't start with an open mind, you are likely only to see the things you suspect.
If you are waiting for the day that a majority of the candidates for 435 House seats, 200 Senate seats and for president are up to Ron Paul's standards, you have a long wait in front of you.
Barr and Ron Paul are not opponents in this race. They are not running for the same office. Ron Paul has chosen to run for the House.
I met Barr, face to face. I believe his actions have always suited his words (when he changed his mind, both his words and actions changed). He is, no question, a better candidate than McBama. Besides, he's standing up for freedom, just by running as a Libertarian.
You're trying to fight the wrong battle.
IMissLiberty
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Heck, I'd take 100 senate seats!
"If you are waiting for the day that a majority of the candidates for 435 House seats, 200 Senate seats...."
I'll settle for 100! ;-)
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A vote is not a battle, it's
A vote is not a battle, it's a choice.
Barr eliminated any possibility of being taken seriously by the liberty movement when he voted for the Patriot Act. Had he never done so, a lot of people would have cut him some slack in his recent catastrophic faux pas with Ron Paul.
But the real mistake was in the Libertarian Party allowing him the nomination in the first place.
The Libertarian Party's 'open convention' is too open if a couple of hucksters like Barr and Root can seize the nomination through wheeling and dealing. That's basically what happened. The real nominee should have been Mary Ruwart. Because the Libertarian Party is run by boobs and incompetents, that didn't happen. It will now cost them votes. Ruwart could have hitched her wagon to this movement, and gone far.
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I was there
Ruwart lost my vote at the convention. I'm not going to say anything bad about her, but she disappointed me.
We had six rounds of voting and I voted for different people on different rounds. I voted for Barr on the last round.
I'm actually more impressed with Barr as a candidate than I was at the convention. He is doing a great job carrying our banner.
Nobody joins the LP for the power and prestige. ;) There's no possible reason why anyone would plant Barr in the party--that would be silly. The Patriot Act issue has already been thorougly discussed in other threads. If we don't believe people can be won over to the principles of freedom, we might as well give up.
http://blog.bobbarr2008.com/2008/10/08/video-bob-on-the-situ...
IMissLiberty
You can reach voters in California, here: http://consequeries.com/California-voter-guide.php
"If we don't believe people
"If we don't believe people can be won over to the principles of freedom, we might as well give up.
So answer me this:
If Dick Cheney announced next February that he is a libertarian, and ran for Governor in your home state--would you vote for him?
And if not, why not..?
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awesome
Thank you Dr. Paul for making my act on what I already knew was right.
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Bob Barr is a neocon plant.
Until we have principled delegates we will not have principled candidates.
Otherwise we will get the USA Today/People Magazine/Tabloid BS sort of drivel that gives us Palin the wannabe actress and the Magnificent O'bomba.
Barr is an arrogant weasel. It is hard to discover anything interesting about the little bastard. Delegates who think that someone would make a "good candidate" are our un-doing.
Anyway, it is actually non-productive to support the LP because it siphons energy and resources away to a totally useless intent.
im totally okay with splitting our votes among several 3rd party
candidates. Ill be voting Baldwin.
Live Free or Diebold
I'm voting Baldwin on a
I'm voting Baldwin on a write-in, and I'm not voting for any neo-cons or Republicans on the bottom of the ticket. That rules out Barr.
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and MUST we still hear about Barr at this point on the DP??
Paul endorsed Baldwin. So the Daily PAUL members should either follow his example or keep it to themselves if they want to vote for Barr. Barr has left such a bad taste after his trolls spent so much of our precious time leading up to the convention doing everything in their power to divide us and take our eye off the ball (regardless of how futile our hopes may have been), only to have Barr himself insinuate we should simply blindly follow HIM as his trolls had- and THEN publicly snub Ron Paul. I used to just think Barr was just some neo-con who voted for the Patriot Act and the war- now I actually hate the guy for personal reasons.
Live Free or Diebold
Could you provide a source?
I guess I've been out of the loop on Paul officially endorsing one individual.
yeah - just a sec- let me pull it up...
"I’ve thought about the unsolicited advice from the Libertarian Party candidate, and he has convinced me to reject my neutral stance in the November election. I’m supporting Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party candidate."
The entire article by Dr Paul s here:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=547
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Ah-ha! I wasn't sure if I
Ah-ha! I wasn't sure if I should go for Barr or Nader. I'm in TX and Baldwin is a "Write-In". I know they don't count those votes.
I truly wish I could vote for Baldwin, I wanted to, but since he isn't on the ballot, I guess Nader will have to be my man (Blech).
Thank you for posting the link!
yvw andTrust me- if it werent for Baldwin
Id be voting Nader. The man has alot of good qualities.
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