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ZEITGEIST WAS RIGHT !Check this out! Earthaven Ecovillage, Zeitgeist was right, HOPE

This is a great place, full of great people. They have a wonderful community. A great cafe and great homemade beer!! There is hope.

http://www.earthaven.org/

*please note, a small group of members are angry Mike (creator of this website) and I found Zeitgeist "interesting". They are now attacking the concept of an ecovillage. Real freedom loving Patriots.



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This is a reposting

In the hope WRellim will stop bumping this thread and leave the personal attacks to his own home.
I'll shorten this comment so somebody will read it and understand we don't have to agree and peaceful disagreement is always better than personal attacks:

Simultaneously, individuals are taught that being "correct" is what creates their value as human beings. This state of being "correct" is directly related to the prevailing values of society itself. Therefore, those who accept and support the social system's views are considered "normal", while those who disagree are considered "abnormal" or even "subversive". Whether it is the dogma of a unique social tradition, or the alignment with a worldwide establishment religion, the basis is the same: Intellectual Materialism.

I hope some people will learn to grow up and respect others opinions. Until then this movement is lost.

This is OBVIOUSLY not a "movie" but is piece of propaganda

"Zeitgeist" is not a "film" it's a piece of hypnotic propaganda full of BS.

It's a standard propaganda play piece, and you've been suckered into promoting it.

1) Use a few facts that the targeted viewer is likely to (predisposed to) agree with or find revelatory.

2) Add in a bunch of vague universally recognized and commonly desired "goals."

3) Throw out some additional vague promises of a "free lunch" via technology, or "science" or ___________.

4) Since you now have the viewer in an "agreeable" state of mind and willingly suspending their disbelief and discernment -- and you can now safely add in a host of lies, label specific scapegoats as the "bogeymen" that are preventing all of the desired goals.

5) Then, pull in all together in some nice utopian "dream world" (but this time with the magic of "robots" to solve all of our problems... YAAYY!)

6) Get the (now convinced) viewer to proselytize for your cause.

Ba-bing, ba-bang, ba-boom... a new "convert" has been created.

This will always work with those who are young, idealistic, and or easily impressionable (and likewise thoroughly ignorant of history, science, and reality -- and are therefore lacking in discernment and are easy rubes.)

Sickening.

Oops, almost forgot step 7) Charge for copies or solicit donations or sell "auxiliary merchandise" and... PROFIT! (Cha-ching!)

Well, it's pretty obvious he doesn't want a debate

He just wants to foist his opinions on others.
I'll shorten this comment so somebody will read it and understand we don't have to agree and peaceful disagreement is always better than personal attacks:

Simultaneously, individuals are taught that being "correct" is what creates their value as human beings. This state of being "correct" is directly related to the prevailing values of society itself. Therefore, those who accept and support the social system's views are considered "normal", while those who disagree are considered "abnormal" or even "subversive". Whether it is the dogma of a unique social tradition, or the alignment with a worldwide establishment religion, the basis is the same: Intellectual Materialism.

I hope some people will learn to grow up and respect others opinions. Until then this movement is lost.

This is OBVIOUSLY not a "movie" but is piece of propaganda

"Zeitgeist" is not a "film" it's a piece of hypnotic propaganda full of BS.

It's a standard propaganda play piece, and you've been suckered into promoting it.

1) Use a few facts that the targeted viewer is likely to (predisposed to) agree with or find revelatory.

2) Add in a bunch of vague universally recognized and commonly desired "goals."

3) Throw out some additional vague promises of a "free lunch" via technology, or "science" or ___________.

4) Since you now have the viewer in an "agreeable" state of mind and willingly suspending their disbelief and discernment -- and you can now safely add in a host of lies, label specific scapegoats as the "bogeymen" that are preventing all of the desired goals.

5) Then, pull in all together in some nice utopian "dream world" (but this time with the magic of "robots" to solve all of our problems... YAAYY!)

6) Get the (now convinced) viewer to proselytize for your cause.

Ba-bing, ba-bang, ba-boom... a new "convert" has been created.

This will always work with those who are young, idealistic, and or easily impressionable (and likewise thoroughly ignorant of history, science, and reality -- and are therefore lacking in discernment and are easy rubes.)

Sickening.

Oops, almost forgot step 7) Charge for copies or solicit donations or sell "auxiliary merchandise" and... PROFIT! (Cha-ching!)

Let's see how many pages this can get

WRellim- you don't have to be "correct":
Simultaneously, individuals are taught that being "correct" is what creates their value as human beings. This state of being "correct" is directly related to the prevailing values of society itself. Therefore, those who accept and support the social system's views are considered "normal", while those who disagree are considered "abnormal" or even "subversive". Whether it is the dogma of a unique social tradition, or the alignment with a worldwide establishment religion, the basis is the same: Intellectual Materialism.
As we realize that knowledge and hence our institutions are always evolving, we see that any belief system which claims to "know" anything, without allowing for dispute, is a failed perspective. Religion, with its foundation in faith, is the king of this distortion, as it claims to know something definitively about the most complex and elusive origins of human kind, and this simply is not possible in an emergent universe.
That being said, it is then realized that equally as dangerous as the Establishment Power Structures, are the people who have been conditioned to completely accept the static understandings put forth by these systems... therefore becoming: "Self Appointed Guardians of the Status Quo". This applies to every system, especially political, financial and religious systems. Since people's identities become associated with the doctrines of a Country, Religion or Business ethic, it often becomes very difficult for a person to change, for his or her identity has become combined with the ideologies which have been imposed upon them. Therefore, they perpetuate the doctrine of the institution, simply to maintain their personal integrity, as they see it.
We must break this cycle, for it paralyses our growth not only as individuals, but as a society.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/

Let's see if he responds to this one

Or he puts up another clownish post.

This is OBVIOUSLY not a "movie" but is piece of propaganda

"Zeitgeist" is not a "film" it's a piece of hypnotic propaganda full of BS.

It's a standard propaganda play piece, and you've been suckered into promoting it.

1) Use a few facts that the targeted viewer is likely to (predisposed to) agree with or find revelatory.

2) Add in a bunch of vague universally recognized and commonly desired "goals."

3) Throw out some additional vague promises of a "free lunch" via technology, or "science" or ___________.

4) Since you now have the viewer in an "agreeable" state of mind and willingly suspending their disbelief and discernment -- and you can now safely add in a host of lies, label specific scapegoats as the "bogeymen" that are preventing all of the desired goals.

5) Then, pull in all together in some nice utopian "dream world" (but this time with the magic of "robots" to solve all of our problems... YAAYY!)

6) Get the (now convinced) viewer to proselytize for your cause.

Ba-bing, ba-bang, ba-boom... a new "convert" has been created.

This will always work with those who are young, idealistic, and or easily impressionable (and likewise thoroughly ignorant of history, science, and reality -- and are therefore lacking in discernment and are easy rubes.)

Sickening.

Oops, almost forgot step 7) Charge for copies or solicit donations or sell "auxiliary merchandise" and... PROFIT! (Cha-ching!)

This is obviously a mis-understood movie

Several members are hear discussing the film and it's positive influence. If you dislike the movie please find the other threads and voice your opinion there.

Nope... only YOU and jshowell...

And he stated (see below) that he really isn't "discussing" anything... he is bumping this thread in order to help you as his "friend."

I liked the film also :)

~Mikael / Peace, love, Light and unity ~

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Stop the NWO....It's just illumi..Naughty !

I said "thread" you clown

We're the only ones who care about this post because it does offer some hope. Many more people were for zeitgeist, but too many people shouted them down with immediate condemnations. I'm bumping it cause of clowns like yourself who think its okay to foist your opinion on others, but not okay when we have a different opinion. Way to go patriot-way to kill the first amendment.

We are trying to discuss this, but because people, like yourself, have resorted to personal attacks I view it as the only right thing to protect my freedom of speech and call you a liar and a poor representative of the Campaign for Liberty.

For those that must be "correct"

Some more wisdom from an unlikely source:
Simultaneously, individuals are taught that being "correct" is what creates their value as human beings. This state of being "correct" is directly related to the prevailing values of society itself. Therefore, those who accept and support the social system's views are considered "normal", while those who disagree are considered "abnormal" or even "subversive". Whether it is the dogma of a unique social tradition, or the alignment with a worldwide establishment religion, the basis is the same: Intellectual Materialism.
As we realize that knowledge and hence our institutions are always evolving, we see that any belief system which claims to "know" anything, without allowing for dispute, is a failed perspective. Religion, with its foundation in faith, is the king of this distortion, as it claims to know something definitively about the most complex and elusive origins of human kind, and this simply is not possible in an emergent universe.
That being said, it is then realized that equally as dangerous as the Establishment Power Structures, are the people who have been conditioned to completely accept the static understandings put forth by these systems... therefore becoming: "Self Appointed Guardians of the Status Quo". This applies to every system, especially political, financial and religious systems. Since people's identities become associated with the doctrines of a Country, Religion or Business ethic, it often becomes very difficult for a person to change, for his or her identity has become combined with the ideologies which have been imposed upon them. Therefore, they perpetuate the doctrine of the institution, simply to maintain their personal integrity, as they see it.
We must break this cycle, for it paralyses our growth not only as individuals, but as a society.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/

Posted THIS on another thread... but hey since we're doubling up

And FEDOR and JSHOWELL are reposting the same stuff over and over again just to bump the thread... why the heck not do it again, right?

"Zeitgeist" is not a "film" it's a piece of hypnotic propaganda full of BS.

It's a standard propaganda play piece, and you've been suckered into promoting it.

1) Use a few facts that the targeted viewer is likely to (predisposed to) agree with or find revelatory.

2) Add in a bunch of vague universally recognized and commonly desired "goals."

3) Throw out some additional vague promises of a "free lunch" via technology, or "science" or ___________.

4) Since you now have the viewer in an "agreeable" state of mind and willingly suspending their disbelief and discernment -- and you can now safely add in a host of lies, label specific scapegoats as the "bogeymen" that are preventing all of the desired goals.

5) Then, pull in all together in some nice utopian "dream world" (but this time with the magic of "robots" to solve all of our problems... YAAYY!)

6) Get the (now convinced) viewer to proselytize for your cause.

Ba-bing, ba-bang, ba-boom... a new "convert" has been created.

This will always work with those who are young, idealistic, and or easily impressionable (and likewise thoroughly ignorant of history, science, and reality -- and are therefore lacking in discernment and are easy rubes.)

Sickening.

Oops, almost forgot step 7) Charge for copies or solicit donations or sell "auxiliary merchandise" and... PROFIT! (Cha-ching!)

Now you're getting personal

and it deserves a ban. I'm entitled to my opinion and I've never stopped people from having theirs. Now you're naively using straw man arguments (there is NO proof besides some random guy's opinion zeitgeist uses manipulative cinematic techniques) and you're personally attacking people.

There are alot more people that have come to the defense of the movie, but because of anti-freedom people like yourself they probably haven't posted on this thread. I'm not scared of your tactics to silence my opinion. Go peddle your hate elsewhere, we don't need any here.

No we are trying to discuss this film

Now, I will ask Mike to ask you to stop disrupting the thread. You are moving toward a ban.

let me make a promise

I will never stop posting about this important topic. It was placed on the front page of this website and called genius for a reason. If you dislike that. Leave. Find another website. "We" will NEVER stop exploring this very interesting topic and it will be very visable. So keep the attacks up. We will answer everyone and add some more new info as it arrives.....Keeping this thread right up front allows more members to explore the ideas. Thank you.

In other words... you're a TROLL.

And nothing but a TROLL.

About money

Here's a unique perspective:
When we understand that all systems are Emergent and constantly in a state of evolution, along with the reality that we are all Symbiotically connected to nature and each other in the most simple yet profound way, forcing the realization that our personal integrity is only as high as the integrity of the rest of society, we then see how twisted and backwards our social establishments are and how their perpetuation is largely the cause of the social instability in society. For example, the Monetary System has been long deemed a positive force in society due to its claim to produce incentive and progress. In actuality, the monetary system has become a vehicle for division and totalitarian control.
It is the ultimate form of "Divide and Conquer" for at its very core are the assumptions that (1) We must fight each other in order to survive. (2) Humans must have this reward "Incentive" to do anything meaningful.

As far as Number 1 (We must fight each other in order to survive.), this characteristic of 'competition' in the system guarantees corruption in society on every level, for the basis is "us against them". Many argue that the "free market system" is good... but it is corrupt in the modern day due to bad policies, favoritism, bailouts, etc. They assume that if a "pure" free market was allowed to flourish then it would be okay. This is false, for what you are seeing today IS the Freemarket at work, with all its differential advantage and corruption. No laws will ever stop the insider trading, collusion, monopoly, labor abuse, pollution, planned obsolescence or the like... this is what the competition based system produces without fail, for it is based on the premise of taking advantage of others for profit. Period.

We must begin to transition out of these oppressive ideals and move towards a system which is "designed" to support human beings... not force them to fight in order to survive. As far as Number 2, (Humans must have this reward "Incentive" to do anything meaningful.) this is just a sad and an incredibly negative perspective of the human being in general. To assume that a person must be "structurally motivated" or hence "forced" into doing anything, is just absurd. Think back to when you were a child and had no idea what money even was. You played, were curious and did many things... why? Because you wanted to. However, as time goes on in our system, that natural curiosity and self-motivation is striped away from people, as they are force to conform to the specialized, compartmentalized, nearly predefined labor system in order to survive. This, in turn, often creates a natural rebellion within the person due to the forced obligation, and this is how we came up with "leisure" and "work" separations. The laziness assumed to exist by the monetary system proponents (who claim it produces incentive) do not recognize this. In a true society, people would follow there natural inclinations and work to contribute to society not because they are "paid" for it, but because they have a greater awareness which recognizes that contributing to society helps them just as much as everyone else. This is the heightened state of awareness we hope to communicate. Your reward for contributing to society is the well being of that society... which, in turn, furthers your well being.

Now, putting things into perspective, it is important to understand that our world is currently run, undeniably, by a small group of dominant men in high positions of those institutions which are most dominant in society- Business and Finance. The establishment of government is in tandem with the influence and power of corporations and banks. The life blood is money, which is, in fact, an illusion that now has little relevance to society and serves as a tool for manipulation and division along a kind of social organization that guarantees elitism, crime, war and social stratification.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/

Troll.

Trolly troll troll.

Intellectual

Thanks for bumping again. Your insight is endearing.

You'll just Self-bump anyway...

Because you're a "Zitguest Troll"

we are discussing the movie and answering your attacks

We are patriots and will not fade for the likes of you... Not even a little bit :)

Nope, I'm trying to help a good thread

And it gets me that supposedly freedom loving people are fearing ideas, and arguing rather than collaborating. I guess some people never learned-If you have nothing productive to say then don't say it.

lies and disinfo

You're as much a stranger as Fedor and we don't work for anyone associated with the movie. Have fun lying, you lying liar.

Excellent points

very interesting

Really? Wow FEDOR I'm "surprised" that YOU would think so?

Not!

Trolly troll troll.

Here's some more

For those who might want to try to tweak their brain cells and think:

The elite power systems are little effected in the long run by traditional protest and political movements. We must move beyond these 'establishment rebellions' and work with a tool much more powerful:
We will stop supporting the system, while constantly advocating knowledge, peace, unity and compassion. We cannot "fight the system". Hate, anger and the 'war' mentality is a failed means for change, for it perpetuates the same tool the corrupt, established power systems use to maintain control to begin with.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/

Some more from the zeitgeist movement

Cause I know all the detractors can debate on an intellectual level:
The bottom line is that in order to change things for the better fundamentally, you must begin to address root causes. The current societies system of "punishment" is outmoded, inhumane, and unproductive. When a serial killer is caught, most people jump up and down and scream for the death of that person. This is backwards. A truly sane society, which understands what we are and how our value systems are created, would take the individual and learn the reasons behind his or her violent actions. This information would then go to a research department which considers how to stop such conditions from occurring through education.

It is time to stop the patchwork. It is time to begin a new social approach which is updated to present day knowledge. Sadly, society today is still largely based on outmoded, superstitious dispositions and resolutions.
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/

Will there be Ponies for every little girl?

Ponies and Rainbows and Unicorns for everyone!

YAAAYYY!

And no one will have to work... and no one will have any money... everyone will be nice and helpful and willing to give you whatever you want!

YAAAAYY!

Isn't EVERYONE sick & tired of this "Zitguest" propaganda crapola being constantly bumped by Fedor & his sidekick?