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ZEITGEIST WAS RIGHT !Check this out! Earthaven Ecovillage, Zeitgeist was right, HOPE

This is a great place, full of great people. They have a wonderful community. A great cafe and great homemade beer!! There is hope.


*please note, a small group of members are angry Mike (creator of this website) and I found Zeitgeist "interesting". They are now attacking the concept of an ecovillage. Real freedom loving Patriots.

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ok ok

break it up you two.

you're both right.

the zeitgeist website is now up

Also, anyone want to catalogue all the transitional colonies that have been documented so far in this thread?


So far, it's got 17,212 members.

Here's a quote from comedian Bill Hicks

He's quoted ALOT in all the zeitgeist movies:
The world is like a ride at an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it, you think it's real, because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round and it has thrills and chills and it's very brightly colored and it's very loud. And it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: 'Is this real? Or is this just a ride?' And other people have remembered, and they come back to us and they say 'Hey! Don't worry, don't be afraid - ever - because... this is just a ride.' And we kill those people. 'Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride! Shut him up! Look at my furrows of worry; look at my big bank account, and my family. This has to be real.' It's just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that - ever notice that? - and we let the demons run amok. But it doesn't matter, because... it's just a ride, and we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort. No worry. No job. No savings and money. Just a choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy bigger guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, into a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defense each year and, instead, spend it feeding, clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would do many times over - not one human being excluded - and we can explore space together, both inner and outer, forever. In peace."

life is a ride

life is a ride

I didn't see a single robot on any of those sites.

There also seems to be a tremendous ammount of work involved in urban homesteading. Private property and money seemed to be very much in evidence as well.

That's a far cry from Zeitgeist Addendum!

Not that anyone on the Daily Paul objects to self-employment or hard agricultural labor. That is a lifestyle choice. Not a political position.


Would you trade your liberty for a flying car?

Zeitgeist part 3: http://www2.b3ta.com/mind-control/


These examples are a FAR cry from zeitgeist addendum's venus project. That's been my point throughout this thread. People can't connect the dots and see that these villages lead to a society EVENTUALLY that can function like the zeitgeist project.
Robots are capable of doing most everything (remember I showed you self cleaning toilets-they can also clean rooms, etc.). "Robots" aren't the important mechanical devices anyway-it's the devices that harness the infinite resources available to all of us that make the most difference in our lives.
We won't see worldwide automation until common people and the people who control us with their monetary scheme see the benefit of a world without money and the benefit of collaboration along with self reliance. It's a duality of our nature no government or society has ever really exploited.

You just can't give up your

You just can't give up your anti-money nonsense, can you? Umpteen times I and others have tried to explain economic law to you - modern societies cannot function without money and the price system. Its not a matter of "see[ing] the benefit of a world without money". Even if everyone on the planet was loving and compassionate civilizatin would rapidly collapse in a heap without a price system to rationally guide production to satisfy human needs.

Even if technology becomes so advanced that humanity effectively becomes absorbed into a world computer system the computer system itself - unless it "wanted" to shut everything down - would have to have some criteria to determine what to produce (more computer power, more nanotechnology, more solar energy, etc.), and which of a multitude of alternative methods to achieve these ends.

What that criteria for a world computer system would I can't comprehend. But I do know that as long as humans as we know them exist there is no better criteria to use than a price system because only changing prices are able to easily reflect changing demand so to thereby guide production into those areas of increasing demand and out of those of decreasing demand.



I don't see the connection between urban homesteading...

...and Zeitgeist Addendum. I don't see how the former leads to the latter. And of course, there was no mention of urban homesteading in the film.

Oh well. I guess I'm not "enlightened" enough.


Would you trade your liberty for a flying car?

Zeitgeist part 3: http://www2.b3ta.com/mind-control/

That's what I just said

People can't connect the dots and see urban homesteading as the preliminary step to living completely free of any grid-including money. If you can't see it, that's okay no one is forcing you to do anything.

that's right

three hundred years ago if you started talking about a way people could communicate through the air and on little machines, send photos, video, even your voice, they would have laughed at you and branded you insane or worse, a dreamer.

There you go again, Brit. You are funny!

Not all these communities embrace technology. Some do. They are focused on energy, clean water, etc now. They are also exploring the internal change called for in Zeitgeist. Robots will have to wait for now :)

"Internal Change"? "Robots will have to wait"? Damn.

The cranky old hippy in Zeitgeist Addendum made it sound so easy!

Good luck with the voluntary manual labor and self-employment. I have absolutely nothing against that.


Would you trade your liberty for a flying car?

Zeitgeist part 3: http://www2.b3ta.com/mind-control/

Here come the insults, again

The movie called for an internal change a shift away from the current system etc. These ecovillages are this shift. Zeigeist never claimed this would/should happen over night.

transitional colonies

WTF does that mean. I guess this is some comet cult. Thank God for reality. It seems some people have lost their grasp on it. Sorry not buying what your selling. Guess when you guys are living with your love-bots I'll be at the frontlines during the Pro-Human wars. The robots took our jobs. Elitist bullshit. YOU FU(KING MORONS WE ARE THE ROBOTS!!! Your Utopian bull fails to see its not a utopia for you oh common fool. This is what they want. Get in your hole lay around an do nothing? While the elite are doing just that you A.K.A. Robot, will be hard at work making sure their every whim is taken care of. Oh so blind are the sheep. Only when the cold steel of the blade slitting their own throat's do they realize that this was not the line to be in. Bottom line you buy this you better be prepared to go right back to sleep. Someone show me the anti-Zeitgeist line. I like being awake. I like being an individual. Whats next? One will have to give up their wife as a communal sperm bank for the collective cluster. Everything belongs to everybody right? Collective cluster says we support Pedophilia next thing you know your 4yr old son is handed up as a communal play toy. Get your heads out of your asses and think long and hard about what you are promoting on this web-site.

DEDICATED TO RESTORING CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT TO THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA! Oh so I thought this is what we are here for. Mien Gott every other post is about this crappy film. Zeitgeist this. Zeitgeist that. Maybe the website should change its name to daily zeitgeist.

Sorry I'm feeling the anger felt back when Huck's people came through.
Same anger when Barr's folks rolled through.
Same anger and frustration when every post on the active was about DVD for delegates.

And now Its Zeitgeist. I do know this though. Zeitgeist will go the same way as all of those topics.

No need to get nasty, sgt-af.

we are simply exploring the transition suggested in Zeitgeist. Many of these ecocommunities operate as a true Republic

"Many of these ecocommunities operate as a true republic"?

Really? They've seceded from the USA have they? No. Of course not.

You're using a metaphor. We're talking about a lifestyle rather than a political system aren't we?


Would you trade your liberty for a flying car?

Zeitgeist part 3: http://www2.b3ta.com/mind-control/

Earthhaven for example, places a high

value on the individual. They have no desire to dress alike, etc...They also value all members. They vote on issues.

Your anger is misdirected

We all want a constitutional republic, but we see a world past that. If you don't then that's fine. Understand we're working towards "transitional" colonies first which is:
1) sound money
2) Constitutional rule of law
3) sustainable commerce that saves money for everyone using infinite resources (sunlight, wind, wave and geothermal energy)

Once this is established the prosperity and abundance will probably make some people realize they no longer have a need to barter for resources when everything is provided by the earth's infinite resources and our own ingenuity. Understand also this isn't a mandate for everyone-no one is forcing anyone. I just see this as the only way to choke the vampiric monetary system by robbing them of their monopoly over our energy and food sources.

So, you're all fighting the wrong people. We want the rule of law and a sound economy, we just see a world past that.

The danger will come when

many individuals decide to not consume much and live off the grid. The bankers will start to lose money, they will see this example as a true threat and they will attack the lifestyle. They want us all to play monopoly whether we like the game or not.


I think this is why it's important to set up networks of support so people who are compromised in some way will have a better ability to support their family. Unfortunately most people want to complain rather than collaborate. It is a lot less work to tear down someone's idea than it is to help implement the idea.

Horse Trading

Independence and voluntary association are cornerstone libertarian concepts; so is nonaggression. Let's embrace and exemplify this ethic.

I have a lot of Amish friends. Some are more off the grid than others. Many of my transactions with Amish did not involve the exchange of money.

May I suggest we appreciate the enlightenment that these largely independent communities can offer to an open mind. ( BTW, I think, the same goes for the thought provoking film -- Zeitgeist).

Particularly in light of the current world turmoil, I don't understand the snippy attitude of those who seem threatened by unconventional, decentralized nonaggressive, alternatives.

Great video!

Freedom brings People together

Ron Paul was right



If I may, let me ask you a question Fedor

we're on the honor system - so please dont just say what you think you should. What do you intend to do on election day? Will you be voting for the candidate of your choice? or will you be staying home? You know what Im getting at. Other than being encouraged by the prospect of the hopeful future suggested as possible by Zeitgeist and wanting to share and spread that with others, have your attitudes about the current system changed so profoundly that you have no interest in participating in the process?

Live Free or Diebold

I will vote

I am in a transition. We all are.

I guess you haven't googled that yet

Here's one self cleaning toilet:
And another:
And another:

For that matter do you know about chemical toilets? Google it and you might be suprised.