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ZEITGEIST WAS RIGHT !Check this out! Earthaven Ecovillage, Zeitgeist was right, HOPE

This is a great place, full of great people. They have a wonderful community. A great cafe and great homemade beer!! There is hope.

http://www.earthaven.org/

*please note, a small group of members are angry Mike (creator of this website) and I found Zeitgeist "interesting". They are now attacking the concept of an ecovillage. Real freedom loving Patriots.

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the transition is happening

we can do this. we have to do this.

Just do a google check

"urban homesteaders" TONS of sites -this is where the transition needs to start. I hope zeitgeist gets every major metropolitan center started with these networks of support.

This is very exciting

Now we have an example to follow.

Another community

This one is for our hippie patriots. I'm a yippie, not quite hippie.

http://www.pachamama.com/

Here is a video from the Costa Rica community

Looks like fun. http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=brDNnd5wgeI

wonder how our depression will effect them?

The NWO's plan

Is to tax us for breathing by brining in all this fake eco science. I think their plan is gonna backfire BIG TIME cause actual scientists are creating societies without the need for taxes or mortgages or energy costs or any type of consumer based economy.

There's alot of other societies-maybe we should bring this to the attention of zeitgeist movement. I'm feeling like I could make a movie myself about the transitional period.

Smile.

yep they get it.. Money is what I consider. EVIL

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Very good idea

we all know people change. We need to create a safe environment for that to happen.

Thanks

What I've found it is very easy to extinguish the light within yourself-but very hard to bring the light to other people.
Today people have such an inferiority complex due to the nanny state they don't have the vision necessary to form a new culture. You have to form a concrete community first and even then they doubt it could ever work on a global scale. I hope the zeitgeist movements starts building bridges amongst these different communities so we can form real change this century.

you are correct

It will take small groups of real patriots to build the infrastructure. It's happening now.

This is interesting

6. Is there an emphasis on health, nutrition, and physical healing?
Yes, but again, as individuals, not through community policy. We teach workshops on herbs and healing, fertility awareness, and women's health throughout the year. See our Calendar.

They obviously value the individual.

Thanks for posting this

So few people know about homesteaders-and that's what's been posted ALOT on this site. That's what martfunchers legendary gardening thread was about and I've seen multiple people try to start topics about this very important topic if we do go into a depression. But people resist the idea that we can live without money when that's what people have been posting on this forum since its inception.

If you're for local control over your resources, if you're for freedom from the drudgery that should really be left to a mechanical system that provides your energy, food and transportation needs then you're for no money. Homesteading is the transition period and will bear the best fruit of our minds.

This community is living the transition

This IS the infrastructure. What do you think will happen at earthhaven during this depression? Chaos? Nope. They will work together and continue their incredible community. They have energy, doctors, farmers, etc. They will be fine. Zeitgeist suggested this type of transition. It is real and they are not "commies".

I've forgotten hope on this forum

Even when you show them people ACTUALLY living so they don't need money for most of their needs they still don't see the possibilities.
Maybe evolution is too far off for too many people in this century.

Ok, but while I agree with

Ok, but while I agree with the self sufficiency independence aspect, stuff like this can make people think of "Kool-aid town". Which is a shame and probably a totally false impression, but the thing about Zestiest is that it's a bit cultish as well.

How silly

wait about three weeks and take a look at your community. That may look much worse then Jonestown. People were beating each other over gas two weeks ago in South Carolina. Simply because they had to wait an hour to fill up. Check back on Earthhaven and let me know what you think then.

Free markets and abundance inextricably linked

I have no problem with any voluntarily entered activity, whether it be a Earthaven or creation of a car factory. BUT places like Earthaven - with all 60 of its inhabitants could never function on the scale at which industrial society operates. A free market price system is essential to coordinate all the resources and activity the modern world requires to provide for our needs. You, Fedor, say you just support Addendum for a new way of looking at things - that you don't necessarily agree with it. I'll take you at your word despite the various comments written criticising the use of money.

The problem with a video like Addendum is it displays economic ignorance (see below) in condemning free markets, profit and the use of money. Given that the great mass of people are thoroughly ignorant of economics means this widely viewed video will cause thousands of young, impressionable minds to reject free markets, hence liberty in the realm of economics, thereby offsetting the immense efforts of the relatively few of us in the liberty movement doing all we can to educate the bovine masses. These fools will in turn, demand a strong leader "do something", i.e., curtail liberties via government force to cure a problem such as the current financial mess which the government itself was responsible for creating.

Just a comment on the moneyless society you frequently uphold as an ideal. Aside from your miniscule Earthavens the only western nation that made a sincere attempt to abolish money was the early years of Lenin's regime in Russia. During his first 4 years he attempted to obliterate the market economy. The result was absolute and drastic economic collapse and starvation. Regarding this period Trotsky said, "The collapse of the productive forces surpassed anything of the kind that history had ever seen. The country and the government with it, were at the very edge of the abyss." To avoid disaster Lenin rapidly restored money accounts, and market activity was allowed to function to a great degree, which saved Lenin from being toppled by yet another revolution. Then he died and Stalin's murder regime took over but Stalin never tried abolishing the market to the extent Lenin did.

A free marketplace is the engine that will create ever new technologies that in turn can be used to create the abundance Addendum seeks. And it will do so at ever increasing efficiencies. Will it ever lead to absolute free products such that prices are no longer needed? Only in a world of no scarcity where the tecnology could automatically sense and provide for everyone's immediate desires - which is very, very futuristic. But the path to that end is the free market - which requires free market money.

marlow

marlow

Some of those "60" people are very, very smart

Some are engineers, teachers, farmers. They are professionals. Not a primitive tribe. Some of them work with technology. They are living the transition. They will survive the depression and they will continue to evolve as a community. That's good for humanity

That's the point of our WHOLE revolution

Local Control over resources. Thanks for defeating your point. If you want a free market then you've got to give local control back to the people.

If you doubt a local group of 60 people won't change the world then don't look to www.earthship.com where thousands of people are living off the grid.

Aw shux, you beat me to it -

Aw shux, you beat me to it - I was about to post the link on earthships!!
Wish these would spring up all over the country!

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If you mean the "Ron Paul

If you mean the "Ron Paul Revolution" - its NOT about local control. Its about Liberty. Individual liberty. Nor are free markets about giving local control back to the people. Free markets are what emerge spontaneously from among the people where the legal principle of private property is upheld and no government interferes with people's transactions.

Little bands of back to the landers, which is cool with me by the way, still rely on industrial society for nearly all their homes and amenities. Do they use steel? Rubber? Fabrics? A multitude of specialized tools? These things require factories, trade for resouces that must come from far away, technically advanced facilities, long term investment to get these productive endeavors operational,etc. I notice the photo fo Earthaven has bicycles. They may be "off the grid" but they aren't independant of the goods the market system in the wider world makes available to them.

marlow

marlow

I think some patriots are wondering why The Republic failed

Exploring other systems to help acheive our liberty is not foolish. We are trying to restore one that has already failed. That was easily corrupted.

No Republic for me

I'm not seeking a restoration of the "Old Republic". Free-market anarchism is just fine with me. In that environment people are free to try out any lifestyle/living arrangements they want (as long as their interactions are consensual). My objection in this ongoing discussion is the negativity Addendum expressed towards free trade, markets, profit and the use of money, as modern society cannot function without them and the attempt to do so - which can only occur via government - is doomed to catastrophe, as demonstrated by economic theory and historical fact..

marlow

marlow

Chaos?

Chaos is what we call patterns we do not recognize. The market will follow a pattern. All markets must have up and down cycles. Manipulating the market will not change this. No matter how hard they try to keep the market up, it will come down.

Chaos or patterns not yet recognized, will emerge even in this proposed eco-haven place. I disagree that is promotes apathy or laziness. Chaos always finds its way into any form of order.

I agree that the FED is the biggest problem we should overcome.

Deep down everyone is Libertarian.
Live and Let Live, form of government.

We've always talked about trolls, disinfo agents

Since this site began people have been attacking free thought. When the trolls don't win they resort to obscenities or threats or they try to smear the administrator and when all that doesn't work they resort to forum slide where they bump topics off the front page. We're now under attack by people who disagree about the future of our race. My case is our endgame can be decided later. What needs to happen now is to destroy the FED and get back our voting rights.

Zeitgeist won't steal people from the Liberty movement unless people let it divide them. We all agree we need to get back sound money and our rights and what happens after that is up to all of us.

Agreed. Heck Zeitgeist led me to Dr. Paul

After watching it I looked up Alex Jones and Arron Russo. Then found out about Ron Paul.

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That's what alot of my meetup member say too

They're totally into zeitgeist and don't understand others bias. I think othe people's bias is the fundamentalist faith thing-where people think you have to believe scripture line by line to be a christian. That's the tool the NWO uses to keep us divided. Thomas Jefferson cut and pasted the parts of the bible he didn't agree with.

It will never work. Humans

It will never work. Humans need a little chaos in their lives--it's good for the soul.

What's happening now with the markets would be a good thing if it was left unchecked. All the chaos would clean out the system. All the Wall Street pricks would get what should have come to them and all the good guys would have taken over. After a several more years, another cleaning out would take place and the system would rejuvenate once again. This is the theory behind "free-markets" and the beauty of it.

What your little village proposes is stability, regularity, apathy, and slothfulness... kind of like what modern suburbia offers today.

"Freedom loving patriots???" More like Marxist loving comrades!

No one ever said there wouldn't be chaos

And no one said there would be control. We're just recognizing the fact people can become self sufficient, not have to pay any taxes or a mortgage, grow your own food and live a life free of constraints (besides being responsible).

Look, alot of critical thinking and the ability to take care of ourselves has been stripped from us in the past 100 years. If you want that back, if you want the opportunity to live knowing something about the world around you then you're for a world without money.

If you've ever lived on a farm then you don't know sloth. I'm guessin you never have, so I'm also guessing that's why you're scared of disrupting your sloth. This is the opposite of sloth-it's living at the speed of thought.