I AM SICK OF THIS - RON MUST RUN NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

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I just watched the Russian video about Ron's speech in Maryland, & before that his appearance on Fox news, & I'm totally fed-up! It's UNBEARABLE to watch Mcbama on tv & I skip the channel when I see them. All the while, I know our country is going down the tubes & the only person who has any kind of momentum to beat Mcbama IS NOT RUNNING!!! Yes, I've read & understood all the arguments about a 3rd party run for Ron, but I've also tried to talk dozens of people into voting 3rd party & THEY WON'T. If Ron was running, they would. I think we're on the brink of civil disobedience & ruin & the only person who can take the reins is Ron. Why can't we have a real revolution & have Chuck Baldwin say that he's giving his presidential slot to Ron, that if you vote for him, you're voting for Ron. Then, have Ron on tv saying he actually is a presidential candidate as he's become so disgusted with the republicrats. Then, Nader, McKinney & Barr would/should back out & encourage all their followers to vote for Paul/Baldwin.

I feel like I'm playing with the band on the deck of the Titanic!!!!!!!

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Everyone should be focusing on congress

And forgetting the presidential election.

If Ron Paul could capture a majority of Congress' seats then the power to impeach and change the country would be there.

A unified Congress is the most power branch of government because they can take apart EVERYTHING and cut all spending.

You should know by now the Presidential race is just a horse and pony show for a figurehead.

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You have an

excellent point. The Congress needs to get with the Ron Paul program and get a backbone.

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Actually what you describe

Actually what you describe is a restrained constitutional system of checks and balances--not what we have now.

The President is as powerful as any King. 'Figurehead' is not an accurate description.

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He's only a 'king' because the 'nobles' in Congress

Are backing him up.

The President would fall apart if Congress was actually opposed.

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Thanks for keeping this thread alive.

On the national conference call for the Campaign For Liberty (they happen every Sunday at 8pm ET, & are for Team Leaders), we talked about Precinct Captains, or anyone for that matter, standing as near to the polls they can, & handing out small leaflets encouraging people to vote 3rd party. Chuck Baldwin recently sent out an excellent letter that says why voting for a republicrat is such a foolish gesture. You could take that quote & then list the 3rd party candidates on your leaflet, national, state & county. There are many people who walk into the polls undecided. This effort could gain that many thousands of votes across the country. Of course, the voting machines are rigged, but the media does do exit interviews. Wouldn't it be great if across the country, WE showed up & gave people an opportunity to make a statement? Think about doing this. Maybe one of our graphics talents could make up a flyer w/national candidates & we'd add our own local ones before printing. I also think we need to ALL start wearing black on Fridays as a sign of mourning for our country. People talk every day about making connections with like-minded people & having serious conversations about the state-of-affairs. This black movement could snowball.
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Link to great article by Chuck Baldwin: "A Wasted Vote"

I've already sent this to three friends who are disgusted with the Republicrat candidates. All three seem to be giving new consideration to a third party vote. Excellent article; I'm printing some now.

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2008/cbarchive_20081010.html

Your vote won't really count

because no one counts the votes. I, too, am frustrated and sickened at the prospect of life on Nov. 5, but we can only fight the good fight and know our limitations. No power in America will elect Ron Paul, or any 3rd party because the actual vote count is irrelevant.

We've made progress. We are

We've made progress. We are now united as one in the Third Party movement. Six months ago, there was little support for Third Parties in this movement. People are learning.

Chin up.

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We aren't nearly as united as one

as we need to be. We need to be really, really united as one and present only ONE choice for third party. Or figure out how to give all votes to the frontrunner in each state to possibly beat reps/dems.

I know how you feel

I know how you feel but Ron Paul knows we can not beat the system until we get even more people awake. Go out and talk to someone about the Fed or 911 truth or how our country is being handed over to the UN World Bank.
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my dear friend in liberty

please put your beautiful energy your soul the light pure light on the very inside of your heart into activism towards your chosen 3rd party candidate
be it Baldwin Nader or McKinney

We need to smash duopoly the Twins monopoly.
We need good results by 3rd parties in November.
So in 2012 a God's creature like Jesse Ventura can win.

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I think

all candidates outside of the evil twins should agree to give their electoral votes to the third party candidate that has the most electoral votes. I wish they had all gotten together and put only one third party on the ballots, but since that didn't happen, this alternative would hurt no one.

You obviously have no idea what the electoral college is

and I don't mean that in a hurtful mean way, just matter of fact.

In all likelihood, not one single candidate OTHER than John McCain or Barak Obama will receive even one electoral vote. With the exception of Maine and Nebraska who award some of their votes based on who wins a congressional district, you have to have the most votes in a state to get that state's electoral votes. (technically you aren't voting for president, you are voting for a slate of electors who are pledged to cast their votes for a particular candidate for president- and VP)

The electoral votes will not be spread out amongst several third parties and the two major ones, ONLY the two major parties will likely receive ANY electoral votes at all.

Actually, you are right

I was not thinking all states give electoral votes only to the winner. SO, here is what I am proposing. Does this work? All third party candidates presign an affidavit before the election stating that their popular votes are to go to the frontrunner in popular votes so that that person might be in line to receive the electoral votes above the dems and reps. If all third party votes pool to the frontrunner in a state, then possibly we could outvote the dems and reps and get our country away from the establishment. I was leaving the details of how this might be possible to an attorney type and just throwing the idea out there for someone with understanding of the system to finesse. It would be an affidavit signed and notarized before the elections to throw all popular votes for third party candidates to the frontrunner in each state.

I see where you are going

but this is impossible from best I can tell. You can't 'allocate' popular votes. Could you maybe give an example with some fictional numbers? I'm not following you on this one.

This is a waste of energy.

This is a waste of energy. You mean well, obviously, but it's over.

You should support the candidate Ron Paul endorsed, who is still in the running.

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GIVE IT UP ALREADY

While I agree that Ron should run as an independent, HE CAN'T

It is TOO LATE. He cannot get on the ballot in even a SINGLE state at this point. NO ONE CAN.

He IS on the ballot in Montana and Louisiana.

Help us WIN those states. (or at least one of them, Montana being the most likely, unless you can media blitz Ron's pro-life stance and McLame's wishy-washy stance in Louisiana)

If RP can WIN a state, he will get electoral votes. It is possible that this may prevent a majority in the Electoral College. That means the NEW House of Representatives chooses the President from the TOP THREE Electoral College vote getters, Ron Paul being one of them.

The States get ONE VOTE PER STATE. We can then work our newly elected and re-elected representatives to HEAL THE NATION, by choosing RON PAUL over McBama as the next President. Not only would it be an acceptable Bi-Partisan coup for the House, we could demand it of them since he is the only one who has a real solution to the economy.

The media is surprisingly already on board with Dr. Paul on the economy. If this were a real scenario, they would push him hard.

Additionally, since the Senate will pick the VP, and they will most likely be controlled by the Democrats, the deal can be made, that since the Dems are getting the VP slot with Biden, then they can cut a deal to split the administration with a Republican, but instead of McCain who they hate, they have the option of choosing Paul who they not only know would handle the economy better, but would be more palatable on civil liberties and other traditionally 'left' issues than McCain would be. (much of RP's support came from the left surprisingly)

You and I would both have to be high

You and I would both have to be high to think that this could happen, but it is a very interesting scenario =)

Too bad the scoundrels will reign as usual =(

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I didn't say it would happen, but that we should try

to make it happen. I don't see any other way to avoid a full blown depression, and having to shoot people to defend myself and my family. And I will be one pissed off SOB if it comes to that.

I follow the maxim that while peaceful means are available to us to effect change, we are obligated to take them.

Additionally, if Paul wins a state on Nov 4th and there is no majority because of it, then there will be a HUGE buzz about the process in the House. Since the Electors don't actually vote till December, it gives us time to work on states where Electors are not bound to the popular vote. (at least not by any teeth of law such as jail time, if it's just a fine, we can money bomb to pay for it) There will be a HUGE debate about Paul and his ideas about the economy. We can convince SOME of the electors to be faithless, and switch from Obama or McCain to Paul based on whichever one was most likley to lose in the House. There would be plenty of time to increase Paul's electoral Vote count.

When the votes were opened and read on January 6th to the world (which would be glued to their TV sets) you will hear a pin drop as Paul's vote count goes higher than it was thought to be on election day. While we could not likely convince enough electors to give him the office outright, it would give him the momentum, and make it that much harder for the House NOT to elect him.

This IS doable, but ONLY if he can win a state. That's the tough part. Anyone up to the challenge?

Sam, this is what I dream of

....if only we can win Montana and deny 270 votes to either of the McBamas.....we are on our way to something heretofore unseen and quite fascinating.

Montana, let's do it! I wonder if there's any way to get tons of coordinated boots on the ground in MT like we did in Iowa and NH last year?
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My thoughts exactly...

see this thread... on Faithless Electors....

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/61958

it has been done before... and it can be done again....

BTW where did you find your states list of electors... and is it different in every state??(the source or release date)

..and does it include their addresses..

Thank you for these posts.

This is absolutely the last possible chance or way for Ron Paul to be in the White House. It gives me hope and faith. What a great system that allows for so many possibilities. I really hope he wins a state. That alone would be great.

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YOU should run too heh heh

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Only 33, I don't qualify

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If he's smart (and he is) he's running HOME...

..and building a wall around his Texas ranch.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I'm not aware of a

Texas Ranch. That is George.

What should happen

is after the election, all third parties who receive electoral votes should instruct their voters to vote FOR the third party who has the most electoral votes. That doesn't help much, especially in winner take all states. It might help a little, especially if there is a second vote.

See my response above

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The worst part of this election

Aside from our guy not winning is----

Losing respect for loved family members. I am going to be quite disturbed if I find out people close to me who voted for Ron Paul in the primary have gone to Obama or McCain in the general. I am tempted to send out an email to all family and friends telling them not to tell me if they don't vote third party. I am tempted to tell them that they will lose all credibility with me. This all means that I have changed. I have always looked down on people who put politics above friendship and family. I have known people who just disown a friendship or family member because of politics. Unfortunately, now I understand that. I will say that I can still have a debate and remain civil, many cannot. I can just feel by one person's silence that that person is being pulled towards Obama and it really is upsetting.