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Peter Joseph Destroyed Alex Jones on radio today

I started a thread about the problems the Alex Jones show has had , but now the Peter Joseph interview has taken over my thread so I'll switch to that topic. First, Alex tried to let Peter make his points and for about the first five minutes didn't interrupt him. When Peter was allowed to make his points Alex started calling him names, mocked him as being elitist, compared him to the Mao Chinese Revolution among other bloody revolutions and throughout the interview interrupted him. There was some relenting when Peter was able to eek out a few words and call Alex on his hypocritical view that he wasn't debating and trying to have a civil discussion. For the most part I agree with what Alex says, but on this interview he was way off base and showed his own ego has taken over the show. It's a shame because he covers what most of the news doesn't. I hope he will have the decency to admit his radio buffoonery as he has admitted so many times before and stop his two faced "appreciation" of Zeitgeist Addendum.

Here are my thoughts on how Zeitgeist addendum can come about:
Original Thread:
I've listened to Alex Jones a lot over the past months and this past week his show is constantly being interrupted by either weird cuts into the line or James Bond Music which happened a lot yesterday, October 14th during his interview with Michael Tsarion. Today the same interruptions or his show is recorded over again by the same thing he said two second previously. He also complains a lot about whenever a great guest like Ron Paul or Jesse Ventura is on the phone line is repeatedly interrupted. Anyone else having problems listening to him online?

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Now then, an audio clip of the show would have been good. It's rare that Alex Jones loses an argument and I would be very happy to hear it.

Alex Jones proved he was

Alex Jones proved he was completely ignorant and competitive on this recording. He gave a perfect example of how the American actually thinks. He wasn't open minded as he claimed he was. He displayed mockery and flat out obnoxious behavior constantly throughout the interview. "This is not a debate," he said. Jones completely and obviously mislead Peter Joseph into thinking that he might have a chance to deter the ignorant from such barbaric behavior. You would've thought a grown man with his own radio show would've acted a bit more civilized. I guess you could say he, too, is in on the scam.

"Eke", not "eek"


"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

Jones Destroys Joseph

"Peter Joseph Destroyed Alex Jones on radio today"

Really, I wouldn't know, I only heard Joseph speak on the Alex Jones Show, where he made a fool of himself and was exposed for what he is (thus, Joseph got destroyed, not vice-versa by any stretch of the imagination!)

Joseph came on with a very planned out speech, and despite his attempt to read it slowly and naturally it still felt overly rehearsed. His attempts to annoy Alex Jones usually failed but sometimes succeeded. While Alex kept his heart on his sleeve Joseph was from the beginning emotionally distant and condescending. Alex tried very hard to keep things civil as, after all, they are (supposedly) both intellect warriors in the Truth Movement. But instead Joseph comes on and tries and tries and tries to spark an argument with Alex Jones, then points out how he has made Alex upset, and never stops trying to manipulate the conversation. But in doing so he only exposed himself as a manipulator -- but more than that, he exposed himself as one of the very men whom Alex Jones fights daily to expose and bring down! Joseph actually defended New World Order concepts while attacking the Truth Movement, and while plotting out an argument with Alex.

I wasn't really shocked though. I mean, I laughed at Joseph's nonsense, and laughed with Alex's comical feedback to it. I knew something was wrong with Zeitgeist since the moment I started watching it, probably a couple years ago now. It went into the same stuff that the truthers were getting out but also attacked religion. But I have been well aware of the dark side of religion, so I overlooked it. But now I understand what had me at unease; Joseph is Illuminati, he presented himself falsely as a truther only so that he can attack and divide the Truth Movement from within, and he has a lot of stupid cult followers who will support him doing it.

Prediction: it won't work. Too many people have a taste for truth now and they won't let themselves get caught up in Joseph's propaganda. It was a very funny interview and one I won't soon forget, but it was by no means a loss for the great Alex Jones -- it was yet another victory for one of our few true heroes in the public eye. Everyone knows now what Joseph is, and those who support him (like the guy who actually wrote here, "Peter Joseph Destroyed Alex Jones on radio today") are either complete idiots under his mind control or are supporters of his cause. Either way, I haven't much to say to them, only to state the truth of the conversation for those who appreciate it.

"Prediction: it won't work.

"Prediction: it won't work. Too many people have a taste for truth now and they won't let themselves get caught up in Joseph's propaganda."

Oh so true if this is the true underlying agenda of Joseph then he has failed, i myself liked the first and was intrigued by the 2nd but not without reservations and disagreement to some concepts. The mistake he made was explaining very well the fiat money system in the first part of addendum and also alienating religious people. This has caused lot and lots of debate and hashing things out which speaking for myself has caused me to question his intention much faster than I normally would have. Ultimately both movies just open the doors of truth in our creative minds (by seeking answers from ourselves). I'm glad this has pissed people off because it's done the opposite of what they hoped.

The Zeitgeist Techno Commies

The Zeitgeist Techno Commies have been exposed. Their robots that made the movies script didn't realize that there were still awake humans on this planet :D

Federal Reserve to the American People:

"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."

Who is John Galt? Vote ███ ███ 2012!

The Fathers before us, "ForeFathers"

You're free to be a fool, but don't take man made religion and get it confused with the Lord that is mentioned in the majority of our "ForeFathers" manuscripts.

To say our "ForeFathers" were confused would only give the fools their false perception they need to denounce any of our "ForeFathers" works that they left to the people. You know, like the Constitution, Bill of Rights, The Declaration of Independence.

You'll know them by their fruit. Listen to Ron Paul's MN Rally Speech and ask yourselves about the morale that he mentions several times.

The moral of our public servants is a reflection of the morale of the people.
"the more immoral the people, the more immoral the government becomes"

Don't kill the messenger... And do your research before bashing the message.


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I watched the interview, Alex Jones was an ass

pure and simple. The Zeitgeist creator was very resonable. Explained the movie well. Answered all of Jone's questions. Jones looked like he was on crack..Yelled out paranoid slogans and never dis-proved anything. Sad.


just played their roles...

no more- no less

now go buy all of their products..

Zeitgeist Addendum

I've never watched it but I did enjoy the first 3 parts of the original Zeitgeist that deals with the Federal Reserve.
All the religious turmoil being generated over the new movie turns me off and sheds a negative light on what was an informative original.

Nothing bothers me so much as religious bickering that's why I have been a taoist for many years.

"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

im about 1/2 way through

the podcast and this zietgeist guy sounds like bill clinton asking what the meaning of "is" is. he sounds like he wants to wipe all slates clean....language means nothing....currency means nothing etc.

He sounds reasonable in his approach but its impossible to wipe everything clean like he wants. This approach seems very Orwellian to me in the sense of "oldthink" vs "newthink" or "oldspeak" vs "newspeak".

I think AJ is being very reasonable in his discussion and I think SOME of the Zietgiest ppl are mindwashed like the Obama trolls. sorry no offense intended but I am talking about the very few ppl who whorship at the altar of zeitgeist just like the ppl who blindly worship Obama.

With all of this fuss

I dont normally listen to this stuff. But with all of this hubbub- I thought I would bite. It appeared to be an intellectual battle. AJ sounded like a big kid, but it was a cunning attempt to bait him... and bait him he did.

Unfortunately, they both lost because they failed to discuss their view points in a logical order that left the listener to decide for themselves. This was classic crap radio that boosts ratings and leaves the listeners to discuss, "Who won the debate" (Sound familiar?) All the while avoiding real idealogical discussion.

On scarcity: Humans have not lived in scarcity of the environment for a long time. There is a scarcity of patience, understanding, respect, and love for one another. It made sound silly, but if everyone had an abundant of the preceeding characteristics, we would all go out of our way to make sure our enemy was fed so that we can speak some more to them with their minds open and at rest...

I am very depressed and

I am very depressed and bothered at the way alex treated his guest peter joseph today. I have for a very long time admired alex jones critical work on the nwo agenda and how they work. After watching his interview with peter joseoh (the uncut live interview thru prisonplanet.tv with no breaks) I have come to the conclusion that Alex unfortunatly wants to keep this soceity the way it is set up and he would like us to fear it changing like he does. I have never EVER seen alex act like such a little kid and his attacks seemed totally unprofessional and even cowardly. I respect peter for not hanging up and for actually staying on the line even though I would never have stood for the tactics empoyed by Alex and never before have I heard Alex sound like such a hypocrite. I am also incredibly saddened by both Edward Griffin and Alex Jones lying repeatedly in both the interview and follow up “critical” review.

I think what should be reviewed is the motives and thoughts behind both what Alex Jones was saying and Edward Griffin who both try and demonize Peter Josephs opinions. Never does he say he is right about everything but repeatedly he found himself battling against the assumptions of Alex and his ideas about society.

I have never wanted to turn of an episode of the alex jones show until today when alex tried his best to show everyone else he is the bigger and more ignorant monkey in this movement of truth.

I hope people are not only critical of Peter Joseph but also of what these men are saying to demonize him. Because if you are critical of these characters you will find that many points being said repeatedly by alex and e. griffin have absolutly nothing to do with Peter Griffin and his work. Alex is just trying to paint them as nwo propaganda unfortunatly very unsucessfully.

I think the biggest enemy of humanity above violence and money and scarcity or the nwo is false love. Peter joseph has shown he is not a victim of false love unfortuantly the masses including alex and e. griffin have now shown us they are completly controlled by their ideas of false love.

I see myself as one/god/love in the eternal now. No good or evil. No division. No hiding from myself what i am as a human, and realizing I am so much more than human. I hope for all our sakes we can realize what was stated above objectively and look for others besides alex and his ilk for truth. For they neither know nothing or everything but unreasonably feel they hold the one and only sacred truth. Another false dogma/illusion to add on to the many others these charcters have.

Love for all who know what it is.

J. Londoño

I agree

I tried listening today for a few seconds and all he could talk about was how Peter was Illuminati and was an agent to get naive suckers. It sickens me cause I trusted the guy. I started a blog in my signature that I've compiled some ideas about how to get everyone self sufficient and off of money. Comment if you have any insight.


I don´t really care

might part of it be Utopian ? possibly...

I think his point is beyond alex though, the point is the system causes corruption, which has been proven true..

Alex is also make weird statements, like when he said: can you prove there is no god ?

LOL, weird statement, considering it is impossible to prove a negative..

You can´t prove there is no santa clause either, which do not prove the opposite...

I guess faith is personal, and personally I don´t care what ppl believe as long they accept freedom for ppl to make up their own minds...if ppl wanna believe something without proof, it is their right to do so..

I agree with 99% of Zeitgeist and the rest I don´t know...no need to agree 100% though...take what you wan´t , leave the rest...

I think alex can interrupt to often and don´t let his guests speak. That said, it his show, he can do as he want´s....
I think he has a big problem with that Zeitgeist oppose religion as an institution. The Zeitgeist guy made valid points how alex would have been muslim, had he been born in a muslim country. Institutionalized religion does that.


Who destroyed who?

So reasonable, so soft spoken, so con-vincing so go to sleeeeep everyone. All that is needed is for everyone to come together and their nice little pods and be told what behavior is acceptable and all will be well. This Peter guy lost all credibility when he claimed all beings behavior is 100% a product of their environment. Alex called BS in his usual heated, passionate, trade mark way which I would take any day over the hypnotic namsy, pamsy method of speaking of the other guy. This stuff is just another arm of the NWO. 70% credible to pull you in and than 25% of how some small chosen few of scientists or behavioral experts are going to tell everyone else how to act so there will be no more problems in the world. Who can possibly buy into the concept that animals or humans are not born with instincts and everything is learned by what they observe in their surroundings? That should be the glaring red light that whatever this movie is trying to sell you should be very, very leary about it. The creative spark within all beings is what creates everything around us, not the other way around. Anything in the material world started as a thought first. Necessity is the mother of invention. There is nothing wrong with either money or competition. It is a problem when there is manipulation and abuse from a small elite group as there is today. Anything in the material world started as a thought first; whether a car, a Mozart composition, a house, a book, or a garden and there is nothing wrong with either a healthy level of competition or compensation to drive the creative spark. I would do some serious research to who is behind the movie.

Why do we turn to others to give us our opinions?

I have alot of respect for Alex Jones and G.Edward Griffin, but their opinions are not mine. Thankfully I can think for myself and don't need the endorsement of someone else to rubber stamp approval.

Alex Jones was shown to be an infant in the interview and now his listeners know how he reacts when he confronts something he can't understand.


You asked "the" question

but didn't follow through

We rely on other people's opinions cuz we don't know...and, in most important matters, we will never be able to find out for ourselves.

BTW: I pegged AJ as a neo-con plant in short time. I don't see why people even bother with him. That goes triple for Glenn Beck.

Oh, he understood it alright

very, very well and I wouldn't care if he co-produced it, I still wouldn't buy into the agenda at all.

Zeitgeist Addendum: A Critical Review by: G. Edward Griffin

G. Edward Griffin
Freedom Force International
October 16, 2008

Hello Mr. Griffin. I’m sure you have heard of the popular movie on the internet, Zeitgeist. It had three separate parts about Christianity being fake, the Federal Reserve being a conspiracy and bad, and that the government was involved in 9/11. Well the sequel just came out, Zeitgeist Addendum, and it seems very dangerous. This movie screams controlled opposition/false solution propaganda more than anything I have ever seen.

The movie starts off with why the Federal Reserve is bad. It seems to latch onto valid concerns that the freedom movement/Ron Paul supporters have been worried about. But its solution is really, really bad and is already sending a lot of people in the wrong direction. It goes on to say that money is evil and has caused every problem in the world. If only we abolished all money and private property everything would be great. All resources should collectively belong to all humans of the world. Intelligent management of resources and technology could allow everyone to be free. The world would turn into some utopia. All crime would go away and greed and corruption would go away. We should be a one world community. It even specifically says that voting for liberty candidates like Ron Paul is the wrong thing to do. I guess we should give up all hope and let bad politicians do whatever they want to us.

It is full of doublespeak, wild assumptions, and crazy socialist propaganda. It also put in more about how religion is bad. I am convinced this thing was specifically made to stop the liberty movement from achieving anything. It puts in just enough truths that we believe in to trick people into following the wrong path.

I think statements about what is wrong with this film from liberty organizations like Freedom Force International would do a lot of good and would prevent some people from going in the wrong direction. Some people might think the best idea is to just ignore it and it will go away. But it appears to be incredibly popular online and gaining support. Even the most popular Ron Paul website posted the video. And the most popular Ron Paul message board has three threads with hundreds of posts talking about it. Here is the video link.

Jonathan, 2008 Oct 6


Jonathan, I don’t like to criticize anything that is helping to spread the truth about the Federal Reserve and 9/11 but I must agree with the substance of what you have said about this video. I watched it two nights ago and was deeply disturbed by its message. At first, I thought it would be best to just let it play itself out in expectation that most viewers would cross it off as whacky. However, the production value is high, the effects and sound score are compelling, and there is enough truth embedded in the beginning to capture the attention and possibly the trust of many within the freedom movement. So here are my comments on a few items of concern:

1. The information about the Federal Reserve is, for the most part, right on target. However, I practically fell out of my chair when the program repeated that old, silly argument about the Fed not creating enough money to cover the cost of interest on debt; and, therefore, the world must forever be in debt. I knew right there that the writer did not read The Creature from Jekyll Island or, if he did, he forgot my analysis of this common myth. For those who are interested in that topic, it is fund on pages 191-192 of The Creature.

2. The next jolt came when the program praised Civil War Greenbacks, calling them debt-free. Actually, Greenbacks were contrary to the U.S. Constitution and, although they were not fiat money issued by the banks, they were fiat money issued by the government. That was better than paying interest on nothing to bankers, but they still wiped out the purchasing power of American money through massive inflation. They can not correctly be called debt-free, either, because they represented debt on the shoulders of the government, which means, of course, on the shoulders of the taxpayers. It never ceases to amaze me how people think that the solution to money created out of nothing by those big, bad bankers is to have money created out of nothing by those nice, trustworthy politicians. Yet, that is what this program supports.

3. There is a lengthy segment in which the author of I Was an Economic Hit Man, John Perkins, tells the story of how propagandists in the U.S. manipulated public opinion to support military action against several Latin American countries. Then Perkins says that these propagandists scared Americans by telling them that the leaders of these countries were Marxists who were aligned with the Soviets. This, of course, is a half truth that is just as dangerous as a total lie. It is true about the propagandists and their strategy to scare the public into supporting military intervention in those countries, but it is false to portray those dictators as great humanitarians who cared only for the well being of their people. That is total bunk. They WERE aligned with the Soviet Union and they WERE part of a Marxist/Leninist strategy to dominate Latin America; a strategy that continues to this day.

There was plenty not to like on both sides of that struggle, but objective historians would never depict the Rhodesians (the CFR crowd in the U.S.) as bad guys but depict the Soviet puppets as good guys. In his book, Perkins reveals this same slant. He exposes the foul tactics of international corporations, the IMF, and World Bank, but he never mentions a Leftist dictator, such as Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez without praising them. Perkins is a collectivist aligned with the Left, and that strongly influences his telling of this story. Yet the producers of the video make no mention of this bias and give him an inordinate amount of time to present his slanted view without challenge.

4. Perhaps the biggest insult to our intelligence is the main theme of the program. It is that profits are the root of all our problems today. That being the case, we must change mankind to reject profit and we must work together on some other basis. It is never quite clear what that basis is, but, whatever it is, it will be administered and directed by an elite group, at least in the beginning. I was stunned by the fact that this is pure Marxism. Marx theorized that people had to be re-educated (in labor camps, if necessary) to cleanse their minds of the profit motive. He and his disciples, such as Lenin and Stalin and Khruschev, said that, eventually, the character of man would be purged of greed, and then the state would wither away because it no longer would be needed. Sure! We saw that in the Soviet Union and China, right? Yet this Marxist nonsense is exactly what is offered in this video program. It is Communism without using the name.

The profit motive is neither good nor bad. It can be applied either way depending on social and political factors. The desire for profit is merely the desire to be compensated for our labor, our creativity, our knowledge, or even for our risk. Without profit, very little would be accomplished in the world - not even if everyone spent a few years in labor camps to be re-educated. It is a basic part of man’s nature and is the mainspring of human progress, as Henry Grady Weaver described it in his book by that same title. Throughout history, whenever man lived in a system that allows him to be rewarded for his work, there has been great productivity and abundance. By contrast, where social engineers gained control of the state and restricted people from receiving the fruits of their labor, productivity fell, and scarcity was the norm.

The profit motive functions differently in different political systems. In a free system where government does not intervene in the market place, the profit motive always will manifest itself as competition, each person or each company trying to deliver better quality products and services at lower prices. That was how it used to be in the early days of America, and that is what led to the greatest outpouring of productivity and abundance the world has ever seen. However, in a collectivist system where government controls every conceivable aspect of economic and commercial activity (the system that now exists in America), the profit motive always manifests itself as a quest for political influence and laws to favor one group over another. The net effect is to eliminate competition in the market place. Under collectivism, success is achieved, not by creating better products and services for less cost, but by controlling legislators and government agencies. It is a system of legalized plunder, as Frederic Bastiat called it in his famous treatise, The Law. Unfortunately, it is the system that dominates most of the world today.

Zeitgeist Addendum ignores this reality. At one point the narrator even says that the greatest evil in the world today is "the free enterprise system." That’s an incredible statement, especially inasmuch as the free enterprise system has been dead for several decades. It lives in name only. The whole world now is in the grips of non-competitive monopolies and cartels that have forged partnerships with governments. All of the evils to which this program alludes are the result, not of the free enterprise system, but of the abandonment of free enterprise and the adoption of collectivism. This program creates a mythological boogeyman and then advocates more of the very thing that has brought us to the mess we are in today.

The enemy of mankind is not profit. It is a political system of big government. Yet, this program is supportive of some of the most notable big-government collectivist on the planet. Marxist/Leninists may be enemies of collectivists in Washington, DC, but they are collectivists in their own right. The Communist model is no better than the Nazi model.

There is much more that could be said about other program topics such as technology supposedly being our salvation, about the a future world in which no one has to work, and about common ownership of land, oceans, natural resources, etc. but, for the most part, these merely are sub issues to the ones already described, so I will spare my readers the pain of further discourse.

In summary, this program does NOT offer a cure. It offers a mega dose of the disease itself.

Ed Griffin, 2008 Oct 9
reverberated on http://www.infowars.com/?p=5338

Zeitgeist is an interesting

movie for thinking patriots. Many members here on DP enjoyed the movie. I suggest you sit down with your family and give it a watch..





Fedor = Joseph

Why else would anyone be pushing such NWO dreg?

NWO for Dummies

"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."

"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."

Fedor+DP member

+insults from other DP members=Zeitgeist posts FOREVER. I promise.


Now you start with the threats. What a troll.

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You've been on here less than two weeks. From what I have seen, I am wary of Zeitgeist. There is certainly some wheat and a lot of CHAFF in that production.


My liberty-minded home base of thought:



Freedom - Peace - Prosperity

Fedor you are a fraud.

As a real thinking patriot I recognize your cognitive dissonance, "Zeitgeist is an interesting movie for thinking patriots."

In other words comrade Fedor says if you do not find Zeitgeist interesting you are not a thinking patriot.

Fedor is afraid of a real enlightenment and freedom he desperately wants you to join the collective.

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Alex went overboard with this interview,

but I have to agree with Alex. He has a way of smelling out the NWO bs. The movie is pie in the sky propaganda and in my opinion is an attempt to divide the Ron Paul movement. In order to for the Zeitgeist Addendum to ever be implemented, every single government in the world would have to agree with this way of running the world. I'm not saying that this is a bad concept, but we can't even get the corruption out of our own goverment let a lone cure the ills of the world. This movie isn't based on any form of reality. It could be in 3 or 4 thousand years in the future there will be world peace and allow such a system to come about, but for the time frame of our present reality, I just don't see it happening. Sometimes fairy tales do come true, but I'm not gonna hold my breath. I'm calling total bs on Zeitgeist Addendum.


Yes - you must worship the Zeitgiest

If you do not worship and accept all of the Zeitgeist you have been damaged by cultural nurturing and need to be re-educated. Fortunately for you KBR has already built the camps.

Give up your ancient pagan belief systems, and accept the new order. Peter Joseph is the way, watch Zeitgeist over and over again. It's beautiful.

Look you neo-Marxist hippies can enjoy Zeitgeist all you want, no one is trying to prevent you from watching the movie but to sit here on Daily Paul and preach a Marxist Utopian future and act like anyone who does not want to fall under your rule is somehow an evil capitalist is utter bull shit.

Your dirty communist /socialist ideas and the regimes that have risen from it's excrement like poisoned mushrooms have killed tens of millions.

And yes that is EVIL.

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I liked the first Zeitgeist

but this one is pushing us towards a bleeping black hole.
Utopian societies as correctly Airborne points out lead to mass starvation and mass murder of those not approving...and that is EVIL


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