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Do SOME Christians want a Christian Republic?

I'm starting to think this is the case. How will this create true freedom and liberty?



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A Christian Republic...

...is a Republic Founded upon the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible. it IS this basis for our unalienable (a lien cannot be placed upon) rights and freedoms in this country. their is no other reason for them except from the freedom that Jesus Christ grants. No religion grants these unalienable rights, no government has ever granted these unalienable rights....it only comes from the Gospel of Jesus Christ and from the word of God, the Holy Bible.

if you atheists remove these things from our society and culture...you remove THE foundation to your freedoms that are unalienable...for they will become "lien able" without the authority of God declaring them. for it is only by the fear of God that men are held in check from committing every evil conceivable.

the freedom of the Gospel of Jesus Christ will not FORCE "becoming a Christian" on you EVER. it is a choice you have to make whether or not you will reject or accept the Only way of salvation, Jesus Christ.

yet, without the Bibles system of Absolute right and wrong in a Republic where everyone knows those things that are right and wrong, the Constitution, in all of it's wisdom, shall die...just as it is today on it's last breath. for the Constitution means nothing and makes no sense, without the light of God's Holy word and the Gospel of Jesus Christ, declaring the meanings of the words and the expectations of each person who are self governing in the Republic. for if people refuse self control and self judgment...it will degrade into a dictatorship from a "democracy", where everyone decides by opinion, and it always ends up someone will come along who thinks that his opinion is the only one that matters and they will put down all dissenters.

so you atheists are in a "catch-22" situation. you cannot have the freedoms you seek that God calls evil and have a Republic, for it is impossible for evil people to self govern in a good and right way. it is like getting water and oil to mix. look at what happened to Rome, for the founding fathers clearly were thinking about how the Roman Empire fell when they drafted the Constitution, for the Roman Empire WAS a Republic also. the only way you can have a Constitutional Republic again, the way the founding fathers set it up, is to understand the great influence the Holy Bible and the Gospel of Jesus Christ had on it, and upon the people of this nation. this was for the sake of the (righteous) liberty for all. the only kind of liberty that can hold our for of governing together. so they must be upheld by all.

this, Christian Republic" is what the founding fathers intended and formed. it was also declared by them what would happen if this country ceased being a Christian nation that follows the Bible and the Gospel of Jesus Christ...quotes, again, are here...
http://www.eadshome.com/QuotesoftheFounders.htm
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/founding.html

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Folks stop and think

Does God want liberty to choose your belief..? The angels in heaven 1/3 went down the tube with satan...why..? Because God gave them the freewill to believe what ever they chose...they will pay the price at the end...we are the same...we have the God given right to believe any way we choose... but there are end consequences... the ol' saying... "you play...you pay.."I as a Christian believe in personal liberties and should not be trampled on unless it is invading my rights. I would love to see a Christian nation... but i know in reality our moral standard has dropped to an all time low it ain't gonna happen....you cannot legislate morals...but you can blame whoever you choose to but bottom line... SIN is what got us in the mess we are in now.YOU PLAY...YOU PAY...

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master... George Washington

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master... George Washington

The Declaration of Independence states

"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ..."

Regardless of "who/what" each individual views as "Creator", the inalienable rights discussed in the Declaration clearly hinge on their being "endowed by their Creator".
It follows that each individual will naturally place their own view of "Creator" in the role described in the Declaration.
As such, Christians will feel that the "Christian God" is the "Creator" described, just as people with other views may insert their own definitions of "Creator".

In the 1st Amendment to the Constitution, in the Bill of Rights, there is a guarantee that Congress will make no law establishing religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
As long as the Constitution and the Bill of Rights stand, then there will be no such thing as a "Christan Republic", or a Republic establishing any other religion, including humanism.

The only way to change it would be an Amendment to the Constitution to overturn a segment in the very first Amendment in the Bill of Rights, which would be virtually impossible to do(due to lack of support). It would require a super-majority vote in both the House and Senate, as well as ratification by 3/4 of all the states.
There has not even been any consideration of such a thing for a hundred years, and any ancient attempts(during times when the nation was much more 'Christian" by percentage than it is today), failed miserably, and apparently any thoughts of the matter have been abandoned for a hundred years.
So, not only is it not going to happen, but there is not even a "looming spectre" of it happening, nor even an inkling in anybody's mind of it happening. What "some people" might "want" is not any matter of concern in terms of changing gov't policies which are strictly limited by the Constitution. You can find "some people" who'll say anything.

Therefore, it can only be concluded that this topic is intended to dredge up divisive feelings between members on an arcane and irrelevant topic.
A practice which has come to be expected from the OP of this thread.

Gee dale

Looks like many members disagree with you.

Divide and conquer us, Fedor?

Nutshell version: God created and allowed freewill (Freedom) for mankind. There would be no true freedom and liberty without God. I'll let you ponder that.

P.S. - If I were to list all the intragovernmental Christian/religious references in America's past and present we would be here all day and all night and then some. It already is a Christian republic...at least it was. So your question should read: Do SOME Christians want to RETURN to a Christian Republic?

NWO for Dummies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLPG_HplrA

"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy

"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."

You have done it again . This is a divisive question.

If a person answers yes because they are a christian and have a christian outlook then it is assumed they want a theocracy. If they answer no then it would be assumed they put their faith in government as their savior so really its divisive. Christians defend their faith in Jesus Christ above any government entity so it is natural for them to answer yes. Not because they want to force people into their belief but because they believe that God has power over everything on this earth and can change a government in a blink of an eye if he so chooses. They do not think their constitution plays secound fiddle to any man or government official but they feel it does play second fiddle to God. In their heart they know if this country does not find favor with God it will suffer and could be destroyed. A real christian fears god, not because of the suffering that comes from God for being disobedient (which I might add God does not cause suffering it is because God stops protecting and then the devil destroys your life), but because they do not wish to be put out of his presence. They realize they need God not because they are afraid he will be cruel. God is not cruel alot of people get messed up on this point if you turn God down for long enough he eventually leaves you be. Then you come under full attack from satan and he is the destroyer of lives.

I will answer your question the way it should be answered from a christian perspective. I would love to have my entire nation become christian on their own free will It would great. I however know this will not happen. Why, because the bible says many are called but few are chosen. It just isn't going to happen.

Do I want a Republic you bet I do at least until Jesus christ comes. Once that happens I will be more than happy to live under the KING of Kings and the LORD of Lords. Alot of people assume it will be a theocracy but I guess that will be for the King to decide won't it. Who knows he might actually be a God of mercy like the book says and he might set up a republic just like our forefathers did. I'm sure it will be as good as what we have if not it will be better. living under a just king who lets people live their life would be wonderful and just think this one would live forever no more thinking about politics. I hate to say it but If I had to pick a government to live under until Christ comes back I would probably feel just as good with having Ron Paul be king until christ comes back then I'm sure he would bow down and offer up the crown to the one whom it belongs.

Next time I would split this question into two questions the way it should be.

Do you want a christian nation?
and
do you want a Republic?

would be alot less divisive.

Our forefather made the most superior form of government since all the way back to the fall of adam at least. I could pretty much handle the Garden before the fall sounded like a paridise to me but in order to get back to it I have to do what adam didn't do. I have to listen, and, hear Gods voice so he can be my God and I can be one of his people. I have to obey him and be born again. If not then I know paridise is not an option. and without paradise I lose his presence and without his presence I am not protected form satan and his suffering. In other words I will be forced to live in a world of Obama or McCain forever. If that doesn't make someone want God I don't know what will.

Do I wish for you to find Jesus? sure. Do I want it to be your choice? You bettcha. All I can do is tell you who he is. It's the same as we did with Ron Paul. All we can do is tell people who he is and what he stands for.

lol that gives me an idea for a t-shirt.

Who is Jesue Christ?

What is a Republic?

Who is Ron Paul?

I like them all but they are all diffrent questions.

I question your motives fedor but I still love you. Even though I'm not given up my freemarket capitalism for your communism light (Resource utopiea). This is a R[LOVE]UTION after all.

It is a good question

This country is full of non-christians. Individuals of many faiths. A "good" Christian must go beyond what "they" believe and accept that. This is a diverse world for a very good reason.
The whole "you are trying to divide us" crap is getting old. We are having a discussion. I am a Christian and I am capable of having a discussion about my faith and "its" role in my government.

"I am a Christian" - Fedor

"I am a Christian" - Fedor

Ummm...then why did you claim that we are all gods? Why do you keep spamming this obviously anti-Christian movie? this obviously anti-liberty movie? this obviously anti-private property rights movie? this obviously communist-style movie?

true_believer

those were excellent choice of words...if it is read right it should take the argumentative points out...good job...AGREE

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master... George Washington

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master... George Washington

free jesseventura said

free jesseventura said "Christians will bring in Armageddon".

If you have a qoute from a Christian publication I would love to see it because in the 23 years of my born again life I have never heard read or thought a Christian believed in 'bringing in Armageddon' or trying to fulfill prophesy. Christians are here on this site to try to prevent the nwo from 'bringing in Armaggedon'. That is where Ron Paul gets alot of his support from.

Now the phrase 'kingdom builder' is the n.w.o. in a nutshell boiled down to its basic philisophical foundation. In short it refers to people who are TRYING to bring in the kingdom without the king. Jesus.
No where in the Bible does it say we are to bring in the kingdom. "What does is say about kingdom builders" you say. It says "those who live by the sword will die by the sword" and it tells us to be patient. the kingdom is coming when THE KING BRINGS IT IN! In the mean time we are to preach the gospel. saying the king is coming does not mean get on the ground put your hands behind your head and spread em'. Im sure you see the difference. Now their are some Bibliophobes who react as though some one who is giving the Gospel is a hatemonger but thats simply the reaction of a guilty unrepentant sinner. Its why a burglar gets scared and does not want to make restitution for his crime in a penitentary. He does not want to make penance for his sins. Those people think cops are hatemongers too. Some people cant find Jesus Christ for the same reason a crook cant find a cop. hes guilty and he doesnt want to.

Jesus did not preach armed insurection.
Now here are some kingdom builders who are not Christian.

#1 The Pope and the Vatican. They believe (naturally) that he should rule the earth "his rule is not only heavenly but TEMPORAL". How is he trying to do this? see Torqomada Inquisition WW1 (which he instigated) WW2 (which he instigate) the Serbian genocide caused by ARCH-BISHOP (! SECOND IN LINE TO THE POPE. now thier trying to turn him into a saint if they havent already), the bosnian genocide forced (at the point of a gun) relocation of serbians (weve recently got a ton of them here in tampa. their the ones that got the better of two deals they cant refuse ) in 1992 etc.

#2 The U.N. (united nuts or the usual nonsense) they believe that they should rule the world (naturally) See its african genocide in the 1950's. or its serbian genocide in the 1990's. or etc etc. Peace at the point of a gun.

3 # communist utpians. TAKE from those who have give to those that dont. the bankers will doll it out.

4# socialist "new dealers". its the same deal.

# 5 fascists .TAKE from those who have, give to those that dont. the bankers will doll it out. see the bail out.

#6 Muslims. drive the infidel from the land or kill'em.

various other religions sects etc.

compare any of this to the protestant work ethic or the ten commandments.

"Our church doesnt need an Irish Republican Army and if yours does then you got the wrong church"- dr peter s ruckman speaking about the vatican.

"When the Pope says peace beware".the man of 'peeeaace-ah'.

'Pax Romana' Roman Peace. Peace at the point of a gun.

what will the Anti-Christ do? He will sign a 'peace' treaty guaranteeing Israel safety. What will he do when they sign it? ha ha ha Roman Peace babe. everytime.

The Bible doesnt say watch out for the international bankers, communists and atheists its says beware of the man of peace! Some of you Bible believers here have some real unbalanced reading. give the fed a break. cant believe i said that. get some of Jack T chicks books. Or some of the books the guy that wrote vatican assains recommends. Every American should read some of those on-line e books or download them from bittorrent. Most Americans have no idea who their dealing with when it comes to the pope. "The Pollock with a million dollar hat on his head". btw one of his hats has 666 written on it! Is that a big enough clue for you.

OMG

I think so. Can we move on?

Freedom brings People together

Ron Paul was right

I don't want a government

I don't want a government that is doing any more than what the Bible says it is allowed to do. The Constitution is pretty close or maybe pushing past those limits a little. Our government today is obviously way beyond that.

Do some Christians want a Christian Republic?

Yes.

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I want a Constitutional

I want a Constitutional republic.

SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States

SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States

Exactly

thats why Chuck Baldwin gets my vote!

You/re going to have to

You/re going to have to explain yourself. How can you square the "Constitution Party" with their unconstitutional platform? Have you taken the time to read it? Do you simply agree with them because you think they reflect your "values", regardless of how those values fit into our historical interpretation of the Constitution? This makes as much sense as supporting Sarah Palin because she's a woman.

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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

I always have to explain this ....

first I never mentioned the Party .....
I am an Independent ...
I said I want Baldwin who will restore the Constitution.

Look, I voted for Ron Paul - NOT the Republican Party -
to me it is the same thing - I am supporting a message from an individual.
It is all about the message they speak.

Not the make up of their individual parties -

You have the problem with the Constituion Party ...
I suggest if that is a hurdle - you need to vote for one of the other 3rd Party
Candidiates.

AND yes, I have spent more time researching than you will ever know -
bottom line - I don't have a problem with the Constitution Party for what
thats worth either.... it's just not my basis for deciding how or who I choose to vote for....

You seem uptight - may I suggest a massage.

peace!

I am not in favor of a state

I am not in favor of a state church. Wish I had said that in my post below.

How Come

You only show up when that movie you're promotin' is being brought up?

Do you like pretending that you have superior intelligence, wisdom?

Trying to be some big fearless leader?

Trying to take-over the Daily Paul?

after our economy

after our economy collapses and we are forced to rebuild you will see a lot more people from the black projects come forward with more information on superior technology already being hidden from the people. I don't think some people have anuy idea of what I am even talking about. However, many facts will come of the collapse and its all for the better of our world. When we no longer need to depend on anyone but ourselves, meaning we all will have free energy, then we can make real progress. It will be coming. just you wait and see.

ha

I figured as much. Been waiting for someone to say it though.

Nothing good can come from

Nothing good can come from interweaving government and religion in any way.

Doc Holladay
Nashville, TN

Most religions say murder is wrong and most governments punish murderers. saying nothing is really a broad statement. Our country also passes laws against sex perversion and monogamy. so has the Bible. seems like they work pretty good together alot of the time.

I am a Christian........however................

I just want to be able to worship my God without anyone interfering. I also don't care what religious affiliation others belong to as long as they do not try to push it on me!

Your "conscience" is the measure of the honesty of your selfishness. ~Author Unknown

~Your perception becomes your reality~

These Christian threads are very interesting

Do you really think we are going to restore the Republic just like our founders? Not on religion, but law? Take a look around. There are many here who have their own agenda.

I thought I was coming here for freedom

And then I got this:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lORCuR84-_8&feature=related

So far I've been called marxist, naive, brainwashed, idiot, and I'm sure I'm missing a few-but empty insults don't make a debate and here's the kicker-It's for LIKING A MOVIE and seeing how it benefits all of us.

http://killfiat.blogspot.com/

The true bigotry is

calling us "new age" . A negative buzz word for some christians. Sad, sad, sad.

I dont think I would call

I dont think I would call someone new age in a negative way. Its just that the n.w.o. pushed the new age on americans to try to subvert americans christian heritage so i view the new age as a negative.

If a tree (the n.w.o. ) bringeth forth bad fruit (new age) it is hewn down and cast into the fire.

I'm sure you believe this to be a fact

Right?

I guess You never studied

I guess You never studied European history. I don't think any christian wants a theocracy. The reason for this is what denomination would lead this so called Christian Republic. I don't think anyone would like to see the witch trials again. As a matter of fact most Christians would rather be left alone than what is going on right now. The system now is very hostile towards Christians and You would have to be a christian to see it. I wonder why with all the rapes and molestation cases that go on every year the minute a so called christian is involved it goes on prime time news. Their is a attack going on right now on our freedoms by the christian haters out there. Look at this gay marriage crap going on right now.. All some gay has to do is complain that some preacher will not marry them then the government comes in and takes away their tax status. As a matter of fact You can't even talk about politics in church without loosing You're tax status. I find it kind of sad that the separation between church and state is a one way road.

Gays who want to be married are "Christian haters"?

Why not support the separation of government and marriage or the abolishment of the tax-free status of churches; or taxes in general?

Your tone is infuriating to someone who is inspired by Ron's words.

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Lisa C.

Boston Tea Party
"Time to Party Like It's 1773!"

Charles Jay 2008.

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