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HELP!!! how to transform a young Mcsane Palin supporter

please give me some tips...... She says she is voting for the lesser of two evils, but we know the truth but how can we politely convert her!!!!!!

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Your vote is your precious cash that buys your government

Only use it to buy the government you really want. Ron Paul never votes in congress for the winning side, he always casts his vote For The Constitution and we admire his integrity, bravery, determination, intelligence because he does that religiously. Only cast your precious vote for only what you really want. If you cast your vote for what you don't want, you certainly can never have what you want.

I totally understand the logic of voting against someone. Makes complete sense to me and I have done both in my life. Not any more, I will be strict about where my vote goes from this point out. I will only purchase what I really want.

When you have any kind of craving, you can try to take your mind off of it with all kinds of other things, but no way-never works until you just give in to your craving.

The most important thing this year is that to vote for the lesser this year, and it has been this way for many years and we didn't know it, is STILL to cast your vote for the CFR, Illuminati, Trilateral Commission, Bailout, ruined economy. You cast your vote this year for either of the twins and you get more of what we have right now.

Here's the approach I would take...

...rather than confront her with facts, I would ask her pertinent questions and I would listen very carefully to her answers. Take her seriously.

Although it would be tempting to roll your eyes, scream at her, etc. I would refrain. When you can't think of another question, stop. Silence. Don't offer any rebuttal.

If she is a grade A kool-aid drinker, then that will be the end of the discussion. Pity her. There is nothing more you can do.

But if there is even a scintilla of doubt in her mind, she will then become curious about your opinions.

Answer any questions she might have, but keep your answers very brief and to-the-point. Let her be the one to draw you out. Not the other way round.


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Give This To Her

A Declaration of Withdrawal from the Republican Party

My reasons for leaving the Party that I’ve felt at home in since I became politically aware are numerous. I will start with quoting countless conservatives who feel as I do - I didn’t so much leave the Republican Party, it was the Party that left me. The elected Republican officials failed to implement a conservative agenda, despite having the Presidency and both houses of congress. No Child Left Behind, Prescription Drug Entitlements; they even tried to force Amnesty for illegal aliens upon us. They have given us a government that would make even LBJ blush. Our businesses and land have more regulatory red tape to deal with than ever.

Where is the Republican Party that stood for limited government, personal responsibility, a strong national defense, and against being the world’s policeman? As recently as the 90’s Republicans railed against a foreign policy of “making the world safe for democracy”, (which is historically the Democrats foreign policy, ala Woodrow Wilson) when Bill Clinton was President and he took us to war in Bosnia and Kosovo, without U.N. approval I might add. Which reminds me, the United Nations is something the GOP used to believe we needed to get out of, not an institution to be defended when a rogue nation violates U.N. resolutions.

I am also reminded of former Senator Robert Taft, who was known in his day as Mr. Republican, when he said “I do not believe any policy which has behind it the threat of military force is justified as part of the basic foreign policy of the United States except to defend the liberty of our own people” and my favorite President - Thomas Jefferson, who said “peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, and entangling alliances with none.”

From its inception, the Republican Party advocated a humble foreign policy in line with our founding fathers recommendations, now, with John McCain as the leader and voice of the GOP, we are told to get behind his idea for a “League of Democracies” which sounds terrifyingly similar to Wilson and his Progressive Democrats “League of Nations” almost 100 years ago.

We are also being told by McCain that we will have to Cap and Trade our liberty and our pursuit of happiness in the fight against global warming, essentially that if we don’t give government more money and power, utopia will never be reached.

Some have told me that I should support him because he will appoint conservative judges, but I ask these questions - 1. Who’s definition of conservative are we talking about? And 2. Why would I trust the man on this issue when he is one of the “Gang of 14” who was blocking President Bush’s conservative lower federal court and Circuit Courts of Appeal judicial nominees? His long-standing, but little-noticed association with left-wing donors such as George Soros and Teresa Heinz Kerry is receiving new attention among his Republican critics and definitely troubles me. I would also remind you of his historical propensity to appease those even more liberal than himself. His version of “reaching across the aisle” looks more like a group hug when he crafts legislation like the McCain / Kennedy and McCain / Feingold bills.

McCain / Feingold happens to be the reason McCain should not have recieved the NRA’s endorsement, the NRA spent years fighting this trampling of our 1st amendment rights. McCain has not been the solid 2nd amendment supporter he would like you to believe he is - he cosponsored legislation which could require registration of attendees at gun shows and even ban such shows. Add to this the barely passing “C” grade from the NRA in his last senate run in 04‘, the “F” grade the Gun Owners of America gives him today and reflect on the work he did in 2000 with Americans for Gun Safety, an anti-gun group with a deceiving name, and you get a very different picture than the one he wants us to see.

The differences between McCain and Obama are minimal, when you consider that both believe big government can save you from yourself, and that we can save other nations from themselves as well. Given McCain’s track record of conciliatory dealings with Democrats, I fear what this man would do with a Democratic House and Senate. I will not play along with the game of lesser of two evils, as I believe that is part of what has plunged this nation into the mess we find ourselves today.

Once upon a time the Republican Party stood against special interests, corruption and abuse of power. Today their candidates campaign is “ of the lobbyist, by the lobbyist, for the lobbyist.” A man who admits Washington’s corruption has tainted him. Google Keating 5 and read all about it.

The Republican Party today would be unrecognizable to my favorite Republicans of yesterday, such as Barry Goldwater, who said “ A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take it all away.” President Eisenhower, who warned us of the Military Industrial Complex, and one whose party membership is a surprise to many today but shouldn’t be, Martin Luther King Jr. “ Violence is a poor chisel for carving out peaceful tomorrows.” The party is just as unrecognizable to myself and others of my generation.

I had to draw a line in the sand, and the Republican Party wasted no time in crossing it, when they and the President pushed for “economic stimulus checks.” The only problem is this, the money isn’t money that we have, its money we are borrowing, and our excessive borrowing becomes a tax on future generations, as we wont be paying it off any time soon. Want to try to sell this as economically conservative? Excessive borrowing and spending has the added affect of devaluing our currency, so it acts as a hidden tax on us today. As I heard one of the presidential candidates say in regards to these stimulus checks, “ Whose economy are we stimulating here? Ours or Chinas? We are borrowing more money from China so everyone can go buy more stuff made in China.” I get it, others in the GOP get it, so why doesn’t the party leadership?

I can’t take anymore disrespect for conservative values, and unless the Republican Party wakes up and gets it’s head on straight real soon, I will be taking my vote, my time, energy, money, and passion from the GOP and taking it to the Constitution Party to send a message to the Republican leadership that I will not be taken for granted. I believe that it is solid conservatism that wins the day and elections - limited government, individual responsibility, and a strong national DEFENSE (secure the borders!), and certainly not conciliation and surrender to Democrats to the point that our differences become blurry.

The Constitution Party seems to be a perfect temporary home, the GOP has its work cut out if its sincere about winning me back. I will be doing everything I can to sway like minded conservatives to join me in this exodus and vote for Chuck Baldwin for President and Darrell Castle for Vice President on the Constitution ticket. Both of them and are among those countless conservatives I‘ve heard myself say “ It wasn’t that I left the Republican Party, it was the Party that left me.”

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And If That Is Not Enough

Give her this -

Remember -

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Voting your conscience for someone you believe in feels good -

It does do more than just help elect one of the two "major" party candidates - If a third party gets more than 5% of the vote in a state , they get automatic ballot access in 2012 - this year the 3rd parties spent months of time and most of their money just getting on the ballot - im hoping all of them break the 5% mark this time around and they really shake things up in 4 years.

Also, It injects new ideas or a return to the roots of a party, when a 3rd party does well - When Bush the elder lost to Clinton, it was because he had gone against his word on taxes, and on gun control, losing the support of economic conservates and gun owners to Perot - You had the GOP attempt to return to its roots (for a short while) with the "Contract to America" and a democratic president Clinton saying "The era of big government is over"

Even though Perot lost - his ideas won. Most people just seem to have forgotten them today, and the parties need another reminder.

Obama may be another Jimmy Carter, but it won't be the end of America if he wins, and in the meantime, we will be praying for a Ron Paul version of Ronald Reagan to take his place in four years as our party becomes steeled in its paleo-conservative traditions following the defeat of neo-conservative ideals.

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The Keating Five.

Show her how long McCain has been a crook. Then ask her why McCain was so against helping POW's, since he had been one himself. After that, show the Saturday Night Live clips of Palin AFTER showing the real interviews of Palin by Couric. If that does not work, chances are the brainwashing has gone too far.

First off, they may respect you more

if you call them by their real names. Its McCain, not McinSane, nor McSane, nor McCane, nor McPain. His name is John McCain.

And Its Barack Obama. Not Osama, nor Obumba, nor O'bomb'a. Its Obama.

Can we grow up, folks? You're acting like Neoconservatives.

Obomba koolaid drinkers are the Neo-NeoCons...

and O'Cane/McBomba are two sides of the same globalist coin.

I hope anyone reading your comments here will take your opinions with a grain of salt since you have espoused socialism as the "perfect system" in the past.

Afghanistan or Afghanistan: You Decide 2008

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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy

You're a one-trick pony,

You're a one-trick pony, aren't you.

Point is, by obnoxiously giving fake names to people, you are merely showing your hidden desperation and frustration with supporting a losing candidate. Mitt Wrongney, Mike Suckabee, Ghouliani, McPain, Osama, Hitlery. Its all immature.

What if someone were to say Wrong Paul? Or instead of the LOVE being highlighted in REVOLUTION, the word OVER was highlighted? That would be funny.

Gee did you just come up with that

Sounds like you've been thinking of the Wrong and Over in relation to Ron before. That's not something we laugh at here, so no, that wouldn't be funny.

However, having a sense of humor occasionally about evil is not being a neocon. It's called laughing to keep from crying.

And remember, if you require any brain surgery, I have the tools.

DIEBOLD: "If Your Vote Counts, Then We're Not Doing Our Job."

If you cant laugh at

If you cant laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?

No Trick Pony here...

Just a lousy troll.

We can laugh at trolls like you...

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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy

OK I will laugh at the troll then

Am I a Grup now?

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You've been exposed...

No one here agrees with you that socialism is "the most favorable for humankind." Buzz off troll.

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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy

Troll = Someone who

Troll = Someone who disagrees with you.
Someone who disagrees with you = dissident
Dissent = Patriotism
Troll = Patriot


Got your back DeHart.

Attacking fellow lovers of liberty does nothing to spread our message, have you nothing better to do? Also, using offensive names potentially turns eyes away that could be receptive .....remember, we do have "guests" in the house.

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You may need to perform some minor brain surgery

Some people find it hard to connect the dots and you need a little hammer and a little ice pick in the frontal lobe area to help them.

This may be one of those cases.

Too bad they don't give out those X-ray sunglasses used to "see" the real aliens in that move "They Live."

DIEBOLD: "If Your Vote Counts, Then We're Not Doing Our Job."


I think i just peed!!!!!!!!!! lol!!!!!!!

"I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging the future but by the past." Patrick Henry

"I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging the future but by the past." Patrick Henry

Putting Things Into Perspective...

Let's put "voting for the lessor two evils" in perspective. Voting for Hitler to keep Stalin from getting in. Do you understand now?

Also take a look at the thread that shows the same banks that created the wall street fiasco/financial/economic melt down are the major contributors to "BOTH" candidates.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken

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NO one can vote on you behalf

RON PAUL is not running ...HE gave you a suggestion not an ulitimatum...US your head ,cast your vote ...IT's your decision you must live with .....

I agree with the poster below, find out what their issues are.

then point them to a third-party candidate.

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

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don't know

Wish I knew.

Toying with the argument they give me that to vote for anyone but McCain is essentially a vote for Obama. They use that to try to scare people into voting McCain.

Heard one guy refer to it as "Political Biggotry" but I can't seem to completely follow the thought. Best one I've been trying to find a way to express is a form of "Political Terrorism", or one of those legal terms for what the mafia does to local store owners, like a political extortion or something.

You've got to know their issues and show them their own hypocracy. It's tough, but they've got to figure out they're being hypocrites Themselves. They've got to come to that conclusion themselves. Work through all the lies.

I wish there was just a soundbite way to do this conversion though. Obama people are proving just as bad, they're all McCain this McCain that and *swoon Obama*.

The two evil thing I tend to use poison as an illustration. Hey! This poison tases like Root Beer instead of Fish! I'll drink that! Well... I generally use ice cream flavors but same diff. Then I say I want steak.

Or the McDonalds vs. Burger King example, going on and on how one has sesame seeds and one is flame broiled etc... they're both burgers. Give me a Steak. (I just like steak... and I'm hungry...)

Or compromise. 1 Gal of fresh clear water. 1 drop of food coloring compromise, 1 drop of poison compromise ruins the Whole Gal. There are some things Can't compromise, and picking a "Lesser Evil" is one of those things.

I just don't know.

the polite thing to do is

Shoot her. When a dog is suffering sometimes you have to let it down.

Time to give up the ghost

I've talked to my own mother for a year about Ron Paul, who she voted for in the primary, and to write in Chuck Baldwin (eligible as write-in here but not on the ballot)

Today she told me she voted for McCain because he was the lesser of 2 evils. Arrrghhh. She said she's scared of Obama and had to do it.

People have this propaganda ingrained in them that a third party vote will help the more evil one win. That's not even logical.

Actually when you vote third party, it messes up their rigged electronic voting software, designed to flip votes primarily from just one candidate to another. haha

Oh well. What the hell. My conscience told me to just write in Ron Paul so I did.

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Well, I'd first find out what her main issues are when voting

and then tell her that there are other options e.g. third parties. She needs to know that voting the lesser of two evils never got us anything/anywhere we wanted it to. Voting for more of the same is NOT going to bring about any change whatsoever.

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Rolling money bomb

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

Tell her what they told us.

"McCain can't possibly win, so voting for him is a wasted vote." Then give her a copy of Ron Paul's book.