A plea from my buddy to vote for Nader over Baldwin
This is a plea from my buddy. I figured I'd share to see what you guys think,
Hey man, i'm writing you a personal letter, on Wednesday just
before midnite. I've been thinking about the election and i'm getting
angry over how much people like you and me are censored from the
electorial process. How much third party candidates are seen as
"spoilers" or too on the fringe. In reality some of the third party
candidates espouse values and passions along the lines of most
Americans.
I realize why you would vote for Chuck Baldwin, and i respect
you for wanting to vote for him. However i am respectfully asking you to vote for Ralph Nader this election. I think that both Ralph and
Chuck want to return us to the country that was once ruled by our
Constitution instead of one that is ruled by the wealthy. But i believe
that Ralph Nader puts much more emphasis on curbing corporate power and influence in American politics. I firmly believe that in order to bring our government back to serving the people, we must purge ourselves of corporate interests. In turn, a Nader Presidency would set the standard for politics to come in the future.
Since Nader is on 45 ballots this year and Baldwin is on 35, it stands to reason that Nader is going to make more of an impact in this election than Baldwin.
I implore you to change your vote to Nader this year, if only just as a unified vote of non-confidence. We must rid ourselves of this two party system, and if we can all agree to set aside some differences to vote for the third party candidate that has the best chance of making an impact, then i think we have a responsibility to do so. Well, I trust your judgment, and i respect your intellect. I know you will vote the way that seems right to you.
Tell your friend...
I said no.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
baldwin isnt on my ballot...
so my vote is going to nader if i cant bring myself to write in ron paul knowing its going to be pissed on and discarded (if counted at all) by the poll workers.
Not a chance
I appreciate what you're trying to do, but it would still be a vote for the lesser of several evils. Nader is a flag waving socialist and makes no secret about it. Having lived under socialism for a long time, it's a disease that is very hard to eradicate once it takes hold. Yes, he does stand with me and mine on a number of very important issues but I don't like the direction he would take the country. It would be a disaster of slightly less epic proportions than what we're facing right now, but a disaster nonetheless.
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Live Free or Die - Amen to that
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Live Free or Die - Amen to that
Yes, And MSM Will Interpret A Nader Vote As A Vote For Socialism
In other words, if the purpose is to "send a message," it will be the wrong one. While a vote for Baldwin or even the contemptible Barr would be unmistakably a vote for more, not less, liberty, a vote for Nader will simply be spun as a vote for even more of what McBama offers. Not good.
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels
learn the facts
vote for nader is a vote to shut down the military industrial complex FED and restore the Republic which Baldwin does not want by wanting to abolish gambling...
http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/statement-to-ron-pa...
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Platitudes Are Not A Substitute For Specifics
You need to start doing some reading.
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DC you are a good man
I love Baldwin
but I want to win...........
http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/statement-to-ron-pa...
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And P.S., Thanks For Your Kind Words
I'm leaving for today, I'll be back tomorrow. The bankers have me in a foul mood, sorry.
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels
Then Sorry If I Was Harsh
Let's face it, no one's going to approach even 5% anyway, so we're arguing over relatively nothing. You may very well get your wish, I believe Nader will outpoll Baldwin and Barr.
Peace.
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Baldwin on 37 ballots.
Official write in in all but three.
Baldwin Ballot Access ★★
http://www.constitutionparty.com/ba_stats.php
The DP is proof that the grassroots support for Ron Paul and his peaceful message of individual liberty is large, real, and not going away!
Ummm
Vote for who YOU want to win.
I think Nader is a great guy and I wish him the best, but he is an economic interventionist at heart. I could never vote for him.
Oh and PS: Your friend's logic is flawed (in several places but I'll just poke fun at one). The number of states where a minor party candidate is on the ballot has no bearing on the impact that they will make on the election. Their real impact (barring a revolution or other watershed event) is a function of how many votes they can siphon off from the 'major' candidates in 'battleground states.' Therefore Nader being on 45 ballots vs Baldwin being on 35 is completely irrelevant.
Agreed.. voting for Nader
Agreed with your friend. My vote will go for Nader. My vote is for a 3rd party candidate (like Dr. Paul asked us to a couple of months ago). Nader signed the "We Agree" statement at Dr. Paul's press conference. I want at least one candidate who signed to be in our white house. So although I may not agree with every policy of Nader, I can agree with the four listed in that statement. Nader is the 3rd party candidate on most state ballots, therefore he will get the most votes overall. My vote is for freedom from the two party system that has been holding our country hostage. My vote is for ending all of our wars. My vote is for repealing the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation and to stop torture, secret tribunals, and secret prisons. Lastly my vote is for ending the federal reserve. Nader agreed to all of that and more in the signing statement.
terrific points
we can beat GOP in this election(by getting Nader above McCain)
perhaps not Obama
but we can try
this is paving the way for future elections.
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WTF, VOTE for CHUCK!
2008!
that has a ring to it
I'll print off some slimjims and hand it out to young kids (21) ish
"Our Day is Coming"
★★★thank you RON PAUL★★★
"I will be voting for Chuck Baldwin."
Columbus, Platte Co. Nebraska
Chuck Baldwin!
I like chuck Baldwin better. Nadar's voice sounds mumbled to me.
An extremely lousy and shallow reason.
I didn't care for RP's voice sometimes,but it is a truthful voice. That is what matters.
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The Second Amendment
The ORIGINAL Homeland Security
That is a lousy reason to
That is a lousy reason to vote for Chuck and not vote for Nader. Period.
Your friend sets his own trap,
He says Nader " puts much more emphasis on curbing corporate power and influence in American politics".
This implies federal gov't meddling into that affair with more regulations
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I understand he's coming from the left wing(obviously by his comments) so he's been conditioned to blame corporations and to seek gov't solutions.
However, the converse is also true that gov't meddling is just as bad, if not worse. They work hand-in-hand.
Two sides of the same coin.
He's stuck in the paradigm that the media and the parties have provided for him to live in.
The real anwer here is what Baldwin promotes, and that is getting back to the Constitution, which clearly outlines the powers of each office, and that would restore the intended "checks and balances" of the office of President(and other Branches) so that the President(or Senators and Congressmen) couldn't wield the power they do now.Much of that power would return to the States in a more "distributed" government system that is not as centralized. Therefore, they could not be influenced as much, no matter how much money was thrown around, because they wouldn't have all that power. They'd be limited.
Another "big gov't band-aid" is not the solution, even if that is what people on the left are conditioned to look for.
The answer is to limit what these people in gov't are allowed to do.
Then, when the power no longer lies with them, the money influence will dwindle, because it won't be able to buy much.
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It would help you understand it better if you studied the
difference between a 'corporation' and 'business.'
Once you understand that corporations are a DISTORTION of the free market, and are themselves government intervention, then you will see why it is perfectly consistent to be both in favor of a free market and against corporations.
But I otherwise agree with the rest of your analysis.
right on!
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Adam
I suggest that you forward this comment to your buddy. This a perfect example of how to educate and introduce our liberal friends to the evils of big government. Great job, Big T.
I will. Thanks for the
I will.
Thanks for the feedback everyone.
I intend to follow Ron Paul's lead
Your friend has written a well thought out letter and I can understand his reasoning regarding ballot access. However, if there is anything that I have learned from Ron Paul, it is to always vote my principles. And while I admire Ralph Nader in many respects, Chuck Baldwin comes closest to matching Ron Paul on almost all the issues. Ron Paul himself has said that he will vote for Baldwin.
From the very beginning, Chuck Baldwin has openly supported Ron Paul. Many of his columns are sheer perfection with regard to issues that many liberty loving people will applaud. I intend to follow Ron Paul's lead and vote for Chuck Baldwin.
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2008/cbarchive_20080208.html
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2008/cbarchive_20081010.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhmbzE1TR0s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waU_Iv20eXo
Get all third
parties to sign their electoral wins over to the frontrunner. Pool the third parties. This hurts no one. Not sure how much good it does since some states are winner take all.
I want
all "non-evil-twin" votes to go to the same third party. So I would be game. Your friend sounds like someone I would like to call my friend. He makes much sense. (I disagree that Baldwin is not as passionate about ridding America of corporate control-but who cares.) The important thing is to get our country away from dems/reps. I think all electoral votes of all third parties should immediately be shifted to the front runner of the third parties. After all, ron Paul could only endorse one person. He chose who I would have chosen, but he likes the others and voting for any of them is support for Campaign for Liberty. I wish all would decide in the most expedient/legal way that their votes all go to the frontrunner. Also, I think people who are for Baldwin and Barr are more flexible than the ones for Nader or McKinney. True Christians are flexible, to a fault sometimes. But in this case, I think it could be a good thing. First get our country back and then decide the nuances. Kudos to your friend.
I love that people arent debating IF they should vote 3rd party
but WHICH 3rd party candidate. Last I heard Nader was hinting at appointing Ron Paul as sec of state. If so , all things considered, I may just heed your friends advice- but atm Im all about Baldwin.
Live Free or Diebold
same here
actually some folks are upset at Ron being SOS and not SOTreasury LOL
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I'm writing in Ron Paul
Writing in any other name does not automatically translate to "I support Ron Paul" nor does it automatically translate to "I'm ticked at this faux two party system."
If you vote for Nadar or Barr or McKinney etc., that basically means you support their political positions. And I don't, and I know most of you don't either.
I don't care if Ron Paul doesn't want me to write his name it. I gave him thousands to run as president. He can't run for president all this time, get all of us galvanized, then disperse us to third party nothingness, and drop off the face of the Earth with all our money...and then want me to buy his book.
I said it in May 2007, I'm writing in "Ron Paul" if I have to carve it into the DieBold screens.
If we are going to bother writing in any name, it should be Ron Paul.
Support Ron Paul
by supporting Campaign for Liberty, which encourages voting third party. You don't and I don't agree with ALL of Naders politics, but I sure agree with the big one, LIBERTY. We have to WIN before we can have a say in the other issues. Writing in Ron Paul is good, but defeats the purpose of getting our government out of the hands of dems/reps.