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New Directory of Resources for Maxed Out Donors

Greetings,

I just got the domain RonPaulMax.com and set it up as a directory of resources for people who have given the legal maximum to Ron Paul's campaign.

I just put it up, so there are not many entries yet. Please pass word so people with active funds will find out about it and submit their sites for linking.

P.S. The domain forwards to the back side of my paralegal website right now, but it will be up at its real home soon enough, maybe even by the end of the day.



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Link for Foreign Nationals

 
http://www.ronpaulmax.com/foreign_nationals.html

Yours in Liberty,
 
Jerry
RonPaulMax.com

 

Yours in Liberty,
 
Jerry
Libertarian Legal Fund

I called the FEC regarding

I called the FEC regarding the single vs. multi-candidate PAC and they said as long as you check section (f) on the registration for stating that you are or will be supporting or opposing more than 1 candidate you do not abide by the single-candidate PAC rules

There is actually somewhat of a gray area in this issue...for instance, what rules does a PAC that has not met the time requirements for a multi-candidate PAC operate under? If you are supporting more than one candidate but you have not hit the 6 month time requirement yet, then how could contributions count towards a single candidate? The answer the FEC gave me on the phone was that they do not.

I did, too.

Dear Ryan,

You are right, there are gray areas.

There is also a legal theory called form vs. substance; no matter how much you shape and polish a turd and try to call it something else, it is still a turd.

The PAC may operate by checking box f, that is not the problem. However, if donors can reasonably expect that a significant portion of their donations will be used for the express advocacy of a specific candidate, (and many of the funds being promoted clearly suggest, if not explicitly say that is how the donations will be used) then the donations will count as donations to the candidate's campaign.

Besides a liability for the treasurer, there is even a potential liability to the donors for making excess contributions.

I personally do not think this will ever be much of a problem for people going slightly over the limit by giving $10 here and there to ChipIn funds. However, for people giving amounts over $1000, I would suggest they stay well within the FEC law. Those are the people for whom RonPaulMax.com and LIberty527.org were designed. We also have resources for corporate and foreign national donors.

Please pass the word.

Yours in Liberty,

Jerry
RonPaulMax.com

 

Yours in Liberty,
 
Jerry
Libertarian Legal Fund

Why ask for trouble

Dear Ryan,

The FCC does not know how your PAC will be classified until you operate it.

Let's face reality: No matter what they are called, many of these funds being promoted are clearly PAC's for Ron Paul, and any donors can reasonably expect that their donations will be used to expressly advocate for Ron Paul. They will have a tough time defending their positions if the FEC comes after them.

Granted, there are Constitutional challenges, but those are long and costly.

Consider this. There are areas that we can operate where we can be:

  1. Clearly in a green light zone and within the law;

  2. Clearly in a red light zone and in violation of the law; and

  3. In a yellow light zone where we could fight with the FEC all the way to the Supreme Court, and, years from now, one of us might win 5-4.

I think we can accomplish everything we need to while operating comletely witin the green light zone--and win.

If this gets ruled against us, the Paulunteers collecting the funds will be personally on the hook to refund it, plus maybe pay fines. I am not sure what the risk is for donors yet, because I just cannot support operating that way. I think we can better channel our resources without asking for trouble from the FEC.

It is not that I am unwilling to take government bureaucrats who violate our rights to court. I am, right now, in the middle of a federal civil rights suit I brought against the Councilors of the North Carolina State Bar.

However, some battles are just not necessary. We can do plenty to share the message of liberty and not even operate in the yellow light zones.

That's my $.02.

Yours in Liberty,

Jerry

 

Yours in Liberty,
 
Jerry
Libertarian Legal Fund

Jerry, I'm glad we are

Jerry,

I'm glad we are discussing this because many RP volunteers are becoming involved in politics for the first time and thus do not know the in's and out's of the process.

The last thing I want to do is have RP's name dragged through the mud but with that being said, why put ourself at a fund raising disadvantage if we don't have to. I do agree that the said PACs should not be advertised with a blog post that says "Maxed Out Your RP Donations, Go Here" as it could be argued that shows most of the contributions would go towards promoting just 1 candidate. However, it is perfectly legal to contribute up to $5,000 to a PAC so long as they are not expressly a single candidate PAC. The FEC people made this very clear to me when I called them this past week.

Clarification

The FEC laws state:

"(h) Contributions to committees supporting the same candidate. A
person may contribute to a candidate or his or her authorized committee
with respect to a particular election and also contribute to a political
committee which has supported, or anticipates supporting, the same
candidate in the same election, as long as--
(1) The political committee is not the candidate's principal
campaign committee or other authorized political committee or a single
candidate committee;
(2) The contributor does not give with the knowledge that a
substantial portion will be contributed to, or expended on behalf of,
that candidate for the same election; and
(3) The contributor does not retain control over the funds."

Therefore, you do not necessarily have to have reached multi-candidate status so long as contributors know their money can/will be used to help more than one candidate. Delco for Liberty falls under this category as their website states that funds will be used to help candidates they deem worthy. The are not only going to advocate RP.

That is not the point.

Sure they can do it, but the contributions still count towards the donors' contribution limits to the candidate.

 

Yours in Liberty,
 
Jerry
Libertarian Legal Fund

Not if the donations are

Not if the donations are going to a PAC that is supporting more than 1 candidate. These donations then count towards the $5,000 limit you can give to a PAC.

I called the FEC directly last week and clarified this.

From the FEC website

A multicandidate committee is a political committee with more than 50 contributors which has been registered for at least 6 months and, with the exception of state party committees, has made contributions to 5 or more candidates for federal office. 11 CFR 100.5(e)(3). Source.

 

Yours in Liberty,
 
Jerry
Libertarian Legal Fund

Also to be considered...

People in foriegn countries. Our meetup was contacted by an Australian who had family in the US and wanted to help the cause.

Mike
Ron Paul is my HERO!!!

Mike
"Fire Team for Freedom"
visit www.mikeandjake.com

Page for Foreign Nationals

It's up on the site. I'll post the link to the page when the site is on its permanant home, but it's on the menu now.

 

Yours in Liberty,
 
Jerry
Libertarian Legal Fund

please

Single Candidate PAC's

For the purpose of calculating donation limits, donations to any PAC where the donor can reasonably expect the money to be used to expressly advocate Ron Paul's election would count toward donations to Ron Paul's campaign. 11 C.F.R. 110.1(h). So, somebody who is already maxed out may not donate to such a fund.

From what I see on the Delco for Liberty website, it would not qualify as a multi candidate PAC, such as Emily's List.

I know of no multi candidate PAC's that are currently supporting Ron Paul with money or independent expenditures. If anybody does, please let me know. I would love to post such a PAC on the directory.

 

Yours in Liberty,
 
Jerry
Libertarian Legal Fund

Delco for Liberty was set up

Delco for Liberty was set up as a multi canidate PAC......

We are currently looking for other canidates, we just have not found any yet.

They do not make it that easy

A multicandidate committee is a political committee with more than 50 contributors which has been registered for at least 6 months and, with the exception of state party committees, has made contributions to 5 or more candidates for federal office. 11 CFR 100.5(e)(3).

 

Yours in Liberty,
 
Jerry
Libertarian Legal Fund

We are going to have to

We are going to have to agree to disagree....

You have no clu what you are taking about.

We have crossed our 't's' and dotten our 'i's' and everything is on the up and up.

We are set up as a multicandidate committee.

Best Regards

Read the reg.

"You have no clu what you are taking about."

The reg is clear.

Don't blame me, I didn't write it. I just don't want Paulunteers getting in trouble for violating it.

 

Yours in Liberty,
 
Jerry
Libertarian Legal Fund