Joe the Plumber? Nope. Joe the Tax Dodger. Joe the Relative of Charles Keating.

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Joe the Plumber appears to be Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher.

According to Lucas County, Ohio court records, there is a Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher who has a state income tax lien of $1,182.98. According to the court record he lives on a street that is part of the Lincoln Green subdivision.

And Joe the Plumber's Father appears to be Robert Wurzelbacher right wing fanatic and contributor who is the son in law of..... you're not going to believe this. Charles Keating.

This just gets better and better.

Oh there's also a Joe the Twice Divorced Wife Beater.

And The Joe I Haven't Had a Plumbing License Since 2002.

I wonder which of these will turn out to be the guy doing all the talk shows?

I'm sure we'll know by the end of the day.
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Left wing partisan hack, Keith Olbermann states that there is

evidently no relation between this Wurzelbacher and the Keating 5 Wurzelbacher. Wurzelbacher, according to Olbermann, sounds like a unique, uncommon name but in actuality Ohio is teaming with Wurzelbacher.
http://www.care2.com/news/member/239636036/920712
At 5:44 into the video segment, he talks about it.

I think Olbermann, a tool for the Democratic Party, who has a man crush for Obama, would not admit this information unless there was truth to it. He would love to show "Joe the Plumber" as a paid agent provocateur for McCain if that were the case.

Found the website this thread is copied from.

http://theobfuscationreport.blogspot.com/2008/10/joe-plumber...

The website appears to be a far left wing propaganda type site. It has links to every left wing website you can think of on it.
http://theobfuscationreport.blogspot.com/

I would like to know why you posted this information StaxBrix on a RP website?

thank you for posting this

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I heard Joe speak, and he appeared to be an intelligent man. They are attacking the messenger, but I thought he made wonderful points, the main one being, why should small businesses be taxed...

The American Dream stops at $250,000.

I'm frankly shocked that more small business Democrats would vote for Obama's tax plan...or at the very least, challenge him on it, as Joe did (set up scenario, or not...at least the issue was raised)

it's an issue they can afford to raise

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/69378

and does us no good in getting to the heart of the matter.

We

are not tax dodgers. We are standing up for what is rite. We know the scam the govt has going. But good work looking into Joe the Plumber

a 1/4 of the people on this

a 1/4 of the people on this board are tax dodgers. Just saying....

we're not tax dodgers

We know the deal. You can't dodge something that's not required; we just don't volunteer. It is voluntary after all.

kinda makes sense now why McCain referred to him as

"Joe WurzelBERGER"...plausible deniability.

Live Free or Diebold

Was this a set-up by the McCain camp?

How did Joe the plumber come to have a discussion with Obama?
Who initiated the discusiion between Joe and Obama?
Was McCain the first candidate to mention Joe the plumber on National TV?

"The Constitution was written not to regulate you in any way, the purpose of the Constitution is to restrain the government." Ron Paul.

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=DVUR3-3-IQM&fmt=18

I just read.........

that he cornered Obama when Obama was visiting his block. So that may preclude a setup by McCain? Still, the whole thing is weird.

I can hear the voiceover now....

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nicely written bi-line for the film....Joe the Plumber

Good one, Mike!

From Ny TIMES

So much for propaganda!

'As it turns out, Joe the Plumber, as he became nationally known when Senator John McCain made him a theme at Wednesday’s final presidential debate, may work in the plumbing business, but he is not a licensed plumber.

Thomas Joseph, the business manager of Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters and Service Mechanics, based in Toledo, said Thursday that Mr. Wurzelbacher had never held a plumber’s license, which is required in Toledo and several surrounding municipalities. He also never completed an apprenticeship and does not belong to the plumber’s union, which has endorsed Mr. Obama. On Thursday, he acknowledged that he does plumbing work even though he does not have a license.

His full name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher. And he owes back taxes, too, public records show. The premise of his complaint to Mr. Obama about taxes may also be flawed, according to tax analysts. Contrary to what Mr. Wurzelbacher asserted and Mr. McCain echoed, neither his personal taxes nor those of the business where he works are likely to rise if Mr. Obama’s tax plan were to go into effect, they said.

“I’m getting ready to buy a company that makes $250,000 to $280,000 a year,” he told Mr. Obama. “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?”

That encounter wound up on YouTube and led to appearances on the Fox News Channel, interviews with conservative bloggers and a New York Post editorial, all of whom seized on a small part of Mr. Obama’s long reply. “I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody,” Mr. Obama had said.

“You know what Senator Obama had to say to Joe? That he wanted to spread his wealth around,” Mr. McCain said at an event in Downingtown, Pa. “America didn’t become the greatest nation on earth by spreading the wealth,” he said. “We became the greatest nation by creating new wealth.”

After some version of “Joe the Plumber” was mentioned two dozen times during the debate, Mr. Wurzelbacher found news crews outside his home and Katie Couric on the phone.

Mr. Wurzelbacher told reporters that the company he works for, Newell Plumbing & Heating, has two full-time employees: himself and the owner, Al Newell.

Neither Mr. Newell nor Mr. Wurzelbacher responded to telephone calls. And Mr. Wurzelbacher has provided only vague information on his and the company’s finances since talking to Mr. Obama. But if the plumbing business remained a two-person company and the net proceeds — after deductions for business expenses — were shared by the two men, both incomes would most likely fall well below the top tax brackets on which Mr. Obama wants to raise rates, as would the company itself.

Both, in fact, would probably be eligible for a tax cut, said Bob Williams, senior research associate at the independent, nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, though the cut would probably be greater under Mr. McCain’s tax plan than Mr. Obama’s.

According to public records, Mr. Wurzelbacher has been subject to two liens, each over $1,100. One, with a hospital, has been settled, but a tax lien with the State of Ohio is still outstanding.

In his interview with Ms. Couric, Mr. Wurzelbacher, who voted Republican in Ohio’s March primary,
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/us/politics/17joe.html?_r=...

From the forum link:

****Update: Joe the "undecided voter" appears to be a registered Republican. He voted for McCain in the primary.

*** Update 2: There's another Wurzelbacher. Doug Wurzelbacher. Doug is active in competitive dog sled racing. Guess where he lives? Wasilla, Alaska. What are the odds? I wonder if he's related to "Plumber Joe"?

**** Update 3: So far no evidence on the wife beating accusations. And no evidence that he's related to the Keating Wurzelbacher. However, there are reports today that Joe has cancelled any future interviews. He was set to do the media tour and has decided to go underground. Maybe he's hoping all this will blow over?

saw this

THIS was on FOX ..NOT sure of his rightfull ID yet
weee

Good grief. Too bad that didn't come out on the so-called

"debate". Wonder when we're going to see this on the MSM. :)

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UM...Charles Keating's grandson??

Saaaaaay ..... wasn't McCain in on the Keating Five?? Weeeeeell, could this whole thing be a plant then to ensnare Obama??

The first thing I thought

As soon as McCain went after Obama about it I knew he had something to do with the incident from the get go.

He was banking on the fact most Americans take everything at face value so he makes this big fuss about it and makes it seem like a huge issue because the next day all people remember is Obama = higher taxes.

Plus its a play straight out of the "i'm-not-helping-McCain-I-Swear-Karl-Rove" play book.

exactly, the guy was

exactly, the guy was supposed to go on a bunch of talk shows but their backing out now.

Uhm Joe the Tax Dodger?

Do you even realize you are on a Ron Paul site before you start spewing your propaganda?

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He practiced plumbing

He practiced plumbing without a license from the State? That's revolting! What is he? - some kind of revolutionary? When we have a national ID card with embedded biometric data and all military peace officers are equipped with suitable scanners, subversives like Joe the Illegal Plumber won't be able to get anywhere near our appointed Rulers.

... and how dare he

... and how dare he have issues with excessive taxation.

Did someone switch "Paul" for "Kos"?
I thought this was the DailyPaul...