Not Your Grandfather's Depression : Peter Schiff

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October 17, 2008

Not Your Grandfather’s Depression by Peter Schiff

The current stock market crash has spurred a vital national debate about the causes and catalysts of the Great Depression. The dominant school of thought believes that the stubborn refusal of then president Herbert Hoover to intervene after the stock market crash of 1929, and his preference for free market solutions, led directly to the ensuing decade-long catastrophe. Through this lens, our leaders assure us that the most recent raft of government measures will prevent another episode of bread lines, Hoovervilles and pencil salesmen. As usual they have it completely wrong. In my view, the Depression was created precisely because Hoover followed the path that our government is now taking.

When the stock market bubble of the Roaring Twenties (which was created as a result of the loose monetary policy of the newly created Federal Reserve) finally popped, Hoover would not allow market forces to correct the imbalances. His policies were aimed at propping up unsound businesses, artificially supporting prices, particularly wages, and providing Federal funds for public works projects. These moves went well beyond the progressive reforms of Teddy Roosevelt, and established Hoover as the most interventionist president ever up to that point. In fact, much of what eventually became the New Deal had its roots in Hoover’s policies.

However, at the time, there were those who recommended a different course. Andrew Mellon, the long-serving Secretary of the Treasury whom Hoover had inherited from the prior two Republican Administrations, was labeled by Hoover as a “leave it alone isolationist” who wanted to “liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, and liquidate real estate.” Hoover would have none of it. In fact, during his nomination speech for a potential second term, Hoover bragged “We determined that we would not follow the advice of the bitter liquidationists and see the whole body of debtors of the United States brought to bankruptcy and the savings of our people brought to destruction.”

Hoover chose to ignore the sound advice of his Treasury Secretary (in contrast to today where the current Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is actually leading the charge over the cliff) and instead used every tool at his disposal to “fix” the problem. As a result, rather than allowing a recession to run its course, with healthy and rapid liquidations of the mal-investments built up during the boom, Hoover inadvertently created what became the Great Depression.

When Roosevelt took office he continued the same failed policies only on a grander scale. The magnitude and the idiocy of many New Deal programs, such as the wage and price setting National Recovery Administration (NRA), compounded the problems. So while Mellon’s advice would have caused a sharp but relatively brief economic downturn (which occurred after the Panic of 1907, for example), the Depression plodded on for nearly a decade until the country began gearing up for the Second World War.

In an amazing feat of revisionist history, somehow Hoover’s interventionist policies have been completely forgotten. It is taken as fundamental that his inaction led to the Depression and Roosevelt’s “heroics” got us out. Unfortunately, since we have learned nothing from history, we are about to repeat the very mistakes that lead to the most dire economic circumstance of the last century.

A major difference however, is that the structure of the U.S economy today is far weaker than it was in the fall of 1929. Years of reckless consumer borrowing and spending, and enormous trade and budget deficits have resulted in a hollowed out industrial base and an unmanageable mountain of debt owed to foreign creditors. Instead of the support of a strong currency backed by gold, the public now must deal with a modern Fed free to print as much money as politicians want. So rather than getting the benefits of falling consumer prices (as happened during the Depression), consumers today will contend with much higher consumer prices, even as the economy contracts.

With Barack Obama now waiting in the wings to conjure a newer New Deal, far larger than even FDR could have imagined, and at a time when we cannot even afford the old one, this will not be your grandfather’s Depression. It may be much worse.

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HOW DO WE MAKE MONEY?

O.k. Lets put our heads together and figure out a way to make money and preserve our wealth in what is hopefully the greatest bear market of our lives.

Gold is an obvious safe haven against inflation, but as I understand it, in the long run gold simply preserves the value of your money from inflation.

Does anyone have sectors, stocks etc. they recommend to the forum to rake in some money in this awful time? I've been thinking about opening an account with Euro Pac, Peter Schiff's company, and or buying some of Jim Rogers Index Funds.

What do you DPers out there think?
Peace and Liberty
Parc

Mr. Schiff...

Have you considered a presidential run?

Or at least a Congressional one?

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

I was about to post this as

I was about to post this as well. I happen to be a schiff-o-holic

Great Article.

Thanks. I hope he's not right about it being worse though.

lol was just going to post

lol was just going to post this!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)

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Sierra Did you read Ghosts of the Great Depression

by Bill Bonner at the Daily Reckoning a few days back? (Another Good One)

www.dailyreckoning.com/Issues/2008/DR100308.html

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*hmm double posted?

Thanks,

excellent article. We must continue to fight those who say Capitalism caused this mess. Capitalism hasn't been around for a long time.

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Justin Raimondo just wrote

Justin Raimondo just wrote a great article(they all are really) at antiwar.com about how we are repeating the past. The militarization on the economy and eventually labor. How we are ripe(my opinion) to be the new German of WWI(and like German, the US will take the fall while the bankers/globalists fund it, profit from it, and continue manipulating the world from behind the curtain).

Things are so screwed up, stay OUT of the military! You're just going to be their TOOL for suppression(oh, I can see the psychopaths signing up as we speak).

http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13601

bump this other thread

I've already taken the liberty of creating a post of its own for Justin's article. Right here: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/69398

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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy

I hope he Runs in 4 years.

I would like to have these 3 to against Obama, Romney and Huckleberry in 4 years.

Jesse Ventura,
Gov Gary Johnson
Peter Schiff....

How about; Ron Paul Rand

How about;
Ron Paul
Rand Paul
Lew Rockwell
Peter Schiff

Not so sure about Venture

We would be actually trying to win in 4 year.

Schiff has VP possibilities,

Schiff has VP possibilities, I think. I believe we need someone more charismatic in the top position. At this point I'm not sure we shouldn't keep after Ron Paul to try again. He's old, but his followers are young.

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He's very vibrant tho...

And as sharp as ever.

I would absolutely support a Ron Paul 2012 run for the Presidency.

Pawnstorm

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul