***Questions for zeitgeist debunkers***
Ive been listening and reading about everything that the zeitgeist debunking crowd has said. I have heard the Alex Jones broadcasts and E. Griffin's documents and Peter Burmas arguments.
My question is how can a socialist utopia created by the NWO surrounded by new age religeons as alex jones and burmas and e. griffin propose be called the message of zeitgeist??
Now the reason I ask this question is because socialism and new age religeous ideas require various things.
First it requires enforcers and millitary to make sure the population stays in line and stays dumbed down and sheep like. The zeitgeist movie says it wants to disband millitary because it is an autodated system.
Who would enforce any kind of socialism or re-education or prison system for disentors if the ideas of zeitgeist were taken to heart? No where in the film does it advocate these forces and it actually demonizes them.
Second socialism requires the central banking and central planning concept. Now as if these ideas aren't being used enough today in the current soceities that control us, in any socialist utopia these central institutions would be a neccesity correct?
Who would be the central bank and planners if you disbanded monetary systems as the movie proposes?
Now socialism also requires their to be a hierarchy of wealthy elite which is automatically created in ANY monetary system (this is true wealth will always gather in certain people extravagantly). How would wealth be gathered in a resource based economy with no money systems? It cannot be gathered at all underming the control of any would be dictator of planner.
The ideas proposed by Peter Joseph and the Venus Project crowd contain hardly any similarities to any socialist system I have heard if the video is watched closely. I mean it asks for the disbandonment of political systems across the board, would it make sense for anyone who wants central government and a NWO to advocate these ideologies? Absolutly not.
Now I might have been the first to notice these issues but their are many more I could churn out.
I also have a bone to pick with anyone who says that this movie is anti-religeon. It is not anti religeon. It asks the subcribers to these religeons it talks about to look at the real facts as to where these religeous ideologies spring from and what the manipulation by the world controllers of the majority of the subscribers to these religeons has done to our planet and society. P. Joseph never says Jesus is a bad guy or evil. How could he? He would be totally wrong and he actually says in one or two interviews i've heard that the idea of the man called Jesus "Christ" while being historically full of assumption and fallacy, that this character is that of a teacher and a good guy.
I wouldn't assume that he hates religeons as much as he hates how religeons have allowed so many ( not all ) to be so easily manipulated by the power elite who have ruled for millenia. Alex jones and Peter Bermis then brings up what many are calling New age religeon.
I personally have checked out what the new age movements are about and they certainly borrow alot from current religeous ideology and the anchient goddess worship ideologies of the stars and then mix them into a polluted cocktail which I personally believe to be spiritually dangerous and just as much a NWO creation as the current religeons.
The zeitgeist movies creator doesn't speak of any of those new age religeons that talk about "saviors from the stars" or all the other bs out there, just the one true concept that we are all one and connected. He doesn't push any religeous ideologies he just is trying to remind us of this simple fact that the anchient people knew way before current orthodox religeon.
That yeah we really are one and connected, christians call it the holy spirit or god. I call it and zeitgeist calls it oneness with all life including the earth and stars.
How is it proposing the same absurdities as the new age movement when these ideas predate all orthodox religeons and new age movements if you just look at ONLY what the guy is saying?
it doesn't talk about "god" ( in the orthodox sense ) or heaven or any of that balony, it talks about waking up to the fact that we are spiritual. Wether your atheist or not. ill tell you I was atheist before I learned about the anchient people and what they believed in. Now i feel like I am drunk with spirituallity. not because of zeitgeist but my own learning. Can I be wrong to be so fulfilled by this??
I have asked alot of questions than nobody has been able to clear up in my mind.
I see that if zeitgeist is just breifly looked and not really investigated over, the sheeople can easily mutate this into NWO propaganda. Suprizingly the majority of these folks have been eating NWO propaganda for breakfast lunch and dinner their whole lives but they want to call this NWO?? People who in my eyes have been controlled by the NWO in every facet of their lives both spiritually and materially from birth till their eventual death and every waking moment in between want to call this NWO??
I am not amused by the simplistic arguments of the debunkers like Alex jones and Edward griffin and others who literally have to put words in the mouths of peter joseph and others in order to get their points across about socialist utopias and re-education and new age balony. These schitsophrenic nuts who actually resort to yelling and cutting people off when their own ego's are put under the light to get their point across have no business talking about truth if they cant even see the fallacies they have to create in order to win an argument.
Peter Joseph and company have shown what to me looks like geniuine care and love for his audience since they are willing to put themselves infront of all the flak they knew they would receive if they talked about these topics. Is this zeitgeist crowd infallable? absolutly not, and I say many debunkers have made good points about various topics in zeitgeist that might or might not be true. Good Job guys thats great that you are critical thinkers.
Time to keep the wheel of thought working. There is still more questions even after these are answered, if that can be done so stay tuned.
I am waiting for answers.
Love for all who know what it really is
J. Londoño
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hmmm
almost don't wanna comment-lol anyway, i appreciate your post very much. i almost could have written it myself. i do however have a question about your chosen tag line-
Socrates- The only real evil is ignorance and the only real good is knowledge.
If you feel the way you wrote, then why would you even believe in evil?
fact is, evil is the fear propaganda to keep others from LIFE!!!
if you are ready and willing, check out the "busting loose from the money game" book by robert sheinfeld. it is quite interesting!! it isn't just about money, it is about everything!!
~peace
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Ego Fears Unity.
One is not a name, but expresses the IDEA that God is the same for all and is One, and that we are within that Oneness, whether we recognize it or not.
edited from "The City of The One" http://www.probablefuture.com/The_City_of_One.htm
"Although we since Abraham, to often preach monotheism (belief in one God), mankind seems to wants to own the Deity and therefore call it by the name(s) of its choice and creates separation and disharmony over the silly notion of what to name the one before all names and forms.
Sadly, the notion of One Eternal Energy/Intelligence pervading All and Everything has not yet been integrated by the many parts and often hijacked and misconstrued by the human spiritual hierarchies.
Names and restricted visual or conceptual representations are still trumpeted, worshiped, bowed to, and fought for.
The One has no implied connotation to any religion, and at the same time is the Supreme and only One God of all. Sadly, we do find that many humans find comfort in the sub-divisions and great un-easiness in the idea of the Unity of it all in One. In fact those highly invested in the illusory world of materialism become quite upset at the notion.
The message of The One is about introducing the idea that we are here for a fleeting time (called lifetime) not to own property, land, or "things", but to experience life in the best interconnected and happiest way possible for all.
The dark side of our ancient and enslaving matrix is based on illusory structures, concepts, name calling, gods, sub-gods, spiritual hierarchies, man-infused religions, sectarian spiritual ventures, holographic projections/inserts (extra terrestrials etc...), distorted writings, scientific half-truths and theories, national longing and arrogance, divisions of land and property, class fights, its own illusory system of judgment and karma system, and the extreme exploitation and subjugation of the natural world outside and the inner nature within.
It feeds and props up fearful situations, and anger. It supports, funds, and propels forward anything and any one or group of individuals that will imprison our minds into very primitive and idiotic beliefs.
It is incredibly fearful of real change and true spiritual evolution. It is highly cunning and insidious. It is within all of us and outside of us as a gigantic thought form feeding on our support and energy to continue growing and existing.
It hides under the disguise of all kinds of names, images, and concepts: all preaching national, spiritual or material elitism and separation. The only notion it never hides under is the notion of One, for that very notion is the only one which spells destruction and FINAL extinction to it.
It fears that recognition of One more than anything else.
Ego being absorbed into The One is Ego DEATH.. Ego Fears Death..
Ego FEARS UNITY....
We have suffered enough because of it. We have been repeating, in ever changing cycles, with different and ever more sophisticated tools, these very childish behaviors.
The tools available now to the children in the playground of Creation have reached such destructive potential, that were it not for The One, we would have blown up each other to smithereens many times over.
Don't we have enough problems with the extant three present religions originating from the monotheistic revelation of the patriarch Abraham (whose idea of One God Source energy is still unrealized and unabsorbed by mankind), and all originating from the same One?
Have we lost the belief in the All Potential and Creative magical Divine, and its miracles?"
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http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v11/n5/abs/nn.2112.html
(what this article says is that when a batter see's a ball leave the pitchers hand it his brain actually determined it's reaction (saw / decoded ) at least 1/2 of a second before it left. In other words your brain is a collander decoding from the higher mind and is operating from 1/2 second to 10 seconds in the FUTURE.
This delay presumably reflects the operation of a network of high-level control areas that begin to prepare an upcoming decision long before it enters awareness..
Okay,
well, I think you should go out and do it, then.
After all, Peter Joseph would never lie, to get us to throw off our existing systems, just to get us to jump into another vague flowery-sounding one with no details or real way of achieving it. One that's being sold exactly like Communism was sold, and even uses a Hegelian name, "zeitgeist". It would never be a "bait and switch" like Communism was, would it?
What do you need our involvement for?
Why can't those who like it, just go do it?
Oh, that's right!
You need our involvement because it requires a collective to work.
Everyone must participate.
One Hegelian Zeitgeister ain't gonna cut it, is it?
Funny thing about that, huh?
That must be why the whole "movement" is centered around getting "converts", and doesn't need to address any of those tedious details and methods.
Enjoy your collective.
Count me out.
Great Post...but, yes, go out and do it!
"What do you need our involvement for?
Why can't those who like it, just go do it?
Oh, that's right!"
No one doubts that the Zeitgeister guy is creative...and we do need crazy/interesting ideas. I enjoyed the film--I don't know how you could miss the simplistic anti-Christian/religion (lack of) logic? His use of ideas like 12 disciples=the zodiac is an old idea and silly on it's face.
I am curious---does he, the filmmaker, have the view that humans are essentially good deep down inside? - Or do I remember right that he is opposed to any value "judgement" words? Well, right here on this forum, we probably all have different views of the essential nature of man. I'm a member of that crazy collective called Christianity. Some of us believe that we have a fallen nature...while made in the image of God, we ate of that apple Eve handed us---and have always thus passed on a currupted nature to our children. We are twisted (and, now, ashamed of our nakedness)--w/ out the Rule of Law, I would oppress my neigbor...
The point being here, you probably think that these Christian ideas are crazy and illogical...maybe you'll have to put me away in a Zeitgeist camp? I'm just having fun here...not in this for a debate.
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Right on
Good assessment of the film. I used to listen to AJ but lately have come to the conclusion that he is all about dis-info and discrediting the freedom movement. He just talks and talks about problems using fear tactics but offers little in the way of solutions. His bullhorn tactics and screaming at Michelle Malkin( even though she's a neocon biotch ) do nothing but make our movement look silly. Maybe Zeitgeist fails to fully explain how you reach this utopia it speaks about, but its vision in my mind is very compatible with what I'd call freedom. I think getting rid of currency is one of the main steps in becoming truly free. The main hangup most of the detractors have is the part showing people shedding their religious ideologies and beliefs. That part is mostly aimed at fake Christians like those who supported Bush and believed war was what Jesus would do. Nowhere in the film does it say that you can't believe in or practice your religion. My belief is that people like AJ are trying to discredit the idea that there can be a one world utopia based on true freedom( sort of a good NWO ) by likening it to the evil elitist bad NWO. Maybe the key to peace and freedom is the unification of all human beings under the banner of liberty that us in the RP revolution believe in. Our own world freedom order to combat the other. Just my thoughts. Peace
Great Post
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I didn't notice it was you Juan. How have you been?
I'll never change your mind.
Besides, I'm planning on being a manager so I can make you change bearings on robot arms while I smoke weed and wallow in the newly found bliss.
I hope for your sake that someone invents a lemonade making robot, there's going to a lot of work to do.
Actually, maybe we could just breed deltas to do the work.
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To school your gullible ass. ;)
Read some theosophic and luciferian stuff in the meantime.
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Any philosophy that opposes the right of private ownership
of the means of production is anti-liberty. Basic to liberty is the right of the individual to own property, including property that are a means of production --- businesses, land, etc. A society that doesn't allow that is not a free society.
Zeitgeist is communist and therefore anti-liberty.
ask the Native Americans
how much property they owned before the US? You think that dirt is yours?
Communist or Capitalist The dirt you think you own isn't really yours.
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While today's Indians may live on reservations, many do not, and whether they do or not, I assure you they believe their homes, farms and ranches and their PRIVATE PROPERTY.
Native Americans claimed territories and named areas they claimed. I believe it was the native American who gave the whiteman the concept of ownership, private property, freedom, liberty and the persuit of happiness. The folks coming over on the Mayflower had no clue what those things were... they were escaping tyrany and they found freedom.
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great post
It is an interesting movie and it's ideas deserve respect. Not the paranoid ranting and nonsense we have seen in other threads.
"The zeitgeist movie says it wants to disband millitary because
it is outdated."
I have not seen the movie. I will not comment on any other part. I can however tell you with absolute certainty that force of arms will always have its place in the world.
CHA-CHING!
The Theosophical Society connection is suspect to me
I have been doing a little bit of research into this and it is very disturbing to me. We are entering into "David Icke Land" with this stuff. Have you guys seen the seal? Here is a link: http://www.austheos.org.au/symbol.htm
If you research the symolism in the seal not only does each sign have it's own meaning but when they are used together the meaning takes on a life of it's own... and I mean literally. I found this information from Egyptologist Judy Kay King: http://www.h-net.org/announce/show.cgi?ID=153897
Halfway down the page is some reference to "Biosemiotics". Here is what it says:
Biosemiotics is all levels of biological sign processes. This transdisciplinary science holds that biology is the basis of all signs and sign interpretation, as Egyptian texts support. Ancient religious signs such as the Star of David, the cross or swastika, the ankh, and the ouroboros match DNA and protein formations found in HGT and lytic transformation. As King explains, “When four major ancient signs are observable in one specific biological process involving viral DNA, it is reasonable to pay attention to the evolutionary message.”
If you guys have ever listened to some of the freaky stuff David Icke talks about he references the Egyptians playing around with DNA. I'll have to post some video of that when I get some time. I myself am not into that but I think it's important to know what these New World Order freaks are into. If you research this "Jiddu Krishnamurti" guy you'll find that they paraded this guy around the world on speaking tours to promote this b.s. The footage in Zeitgeist probably came from one of these tours. All I have to say is this stuff is in the twilight zone and we should definitely proceed with caution.
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Wow
"Krishnamirti guy"
This is the depth of the ignorance of some "patriots". As a group, we can't even discuss topics that may offend "christian" members of this revolution. Do YOU realize how F*CKED we are? This "revolution" will neutralize itself long before we restore the "Republic". This is just plain SAD.
Uh what?
Where in his post did he even hint at being unable to discus it? In fact he did discus it.
Ignorance, you make accusation of Ignorance when he brings of sources to investigate?
Sorry but your has the stench of someone only seeking to divide people.
The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare
Thanks for all that...
constructive criticism. Your words are an inspiration to all Liberty loving individuals. Man if we could just capture that kind of positive vibe in a bottle and sell it...One word of caution, every time you show your a$$ in this public forum it reminds me, at a minimum, why I really cannot stomach your condescention and arrogance.
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I didn't watch the Addendum
but I listened to PJ on Alex Jones. Now I know there is no reason to watch Addendum because PJ is nothing but a megalomaniac with no respect for anything but his own opinions and beliefs. He has the makings of a real fascist in him if anyone thought he were actually worth listening to. Any time people with an atheist aganda encounter opposition, they say any argument that isn't founded on their "creed" isn't plausible. Well, I have news for them. You don't have to be anti-God to be intellectual. In fact, an argument can be made that any truly intelligent person must admit the existence of a higher being.
Bottom line:
If you want to be a disciple of Peter Joseph, check your intelligence and free will at the door.
Got judgment?
Wow, that's a lot of Peter Joseph bashing just from hearing him on Alex Jones' show and not even watching his movie.
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No atheist bashing please.
I'm an atheist and Zeitgeist Addendum makes me want to puke.
http://www.mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf
Would you trade your liberty for a flying car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsFfBB2W7IA
Zeitgeist part 3: http://www2.b3ta.com/mind-control/
It is true...
People of different beliefs can all agree that "Z" is unpalatable. Not only that, but they do agree that it is more concerned with collectivist ideals than individual sovereignty. Thanks for your comment. I am not an atheist, but will defend your right to be one. I think that is the basis of Liberty.
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They will not answer your questions
They fear Zeiteist for reasons they don't understand or will not reveal. You are correct. Their reasons for disliking the film make no sense and do not relate to the film's message. I've been posting that over and over. It's almost like they are trying to create another film. Make up another message. The movie Zeiteist is very different.
Wrong on all counts Fedor.
"They fear Zeiteist for reasons they don't understand or will not reveal."
I know why I dislike Zeitgeist. I dislike it for the same reasons as that many others have already mentioned. Let me reveal the three BIG reasons AGAIN.
1. Z.A. bashes ALL Ron Paul supporters. Listen to what it says when they show the Ron Paul banner!
2. Z.A. condemns ALL monetary systems because they are "based on scarcity". Apparently Peter Joseph hasn't heard of the reason why people study economics in the first place! So according to Peter Joseph, ALL economics is crap. Can you believe the arrogance of that jerk?
3. Z.A. bashes ALL religion and then contradicts itself by pushing Jiddu Krishnamurti (the Theosophical Society's chosen one) and new age psychobabble about a "god spirit". Hypocritical or what?
"Their reasons for disliking the film make no sense and do not relate to the film's message."
See my points above.
"I've been posting that over and over."
You've been spinning like crazy on a single topic. You're still wrong.
"It's almost like they are trying to create another film."
I'm talking about Zeitgeist Addendum. Didn't you actually listen to the narration?
"Make up another message. The movie Zeiteist is very different."
Keep spinning Fedor. People will actually watch the film and form their own opinions. Imagine that!
http://www.mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf
Would you trade your liberty for a flying car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsFfBB2W7IA
Zeitgeist part 3: http://www2.b3ta.com/mind-control/
you guys...
Are like two blind men confronting an elephant. The truth is that you accuse us of narrow mindedness, while you cannot fathom the beast in front of you.
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Zeitopia is the second prong in a multi-pronged attack from the NWO. One prong is an economic meltown, that requires (they suggest) international oversight of national banks, leading to (their resolution) of the simplfication into a one world currency and final oversight committee (one world government). Zeitopia is the same structure: social upheaval and food, resource riots, that requires (they suggest) international oversight of national resources, leading to (their resolution) the simplification into a one world resource oversight committee and ultimate one world government. There are other prongs out there too, along the lines of drug and vaccination tactics, etc..I propose, as do many others that we solve ALL these problems by FREEING the MARKET from ANYONE's control. But that probably scares you doesn't it because you think we aren't self-actualized creatures yet and reuqire your gargantuan intellect to survive. News flash, we are fine by ourselves as long as you pull your thumb out of the market.
As for Socialism requiring an elite, you've got the cart before the horse. If idealy enacted, ALL in the society hand over the entirety of their possession for quantification and reallocation. The elitism occurs when individuals, or corporations cozy up to those charged with the resource distribution and by either blackmail, or creating special interest relationships are given greater resource allocations that others. One thing that NO society will escape is taboo. In Zeitgiest scarcity, competition, instinct, evil, and religion are ALL taboo - ripe for blackmail!
In Zeitopia there is no need for police since all is doled out in fairness - except for those who are cozying up to or blackmailing the distributors. But, suddenly you notice, when you visit a friend's house that there is an inordinate amount of food stuffs, or some other resource, poorly hidden for sight. What have they been doing? Do you confront them? Do you tell the neighbors? Something is afoot, and you are concerned. They have more than you, and it should all be fair...Can you see where this goes? Just in case you can't, because you folks don't seem very good at getting the clues, it's dog eat dog if ANY unfairness occurs. It's called jealousy...again an instinct to acquire...are you going to breed that out, or just drug that out? Man, Zeitopia is this terrible painting of Logan's Run, 1984, Barbarella, most of Asimov's Foundation Series, and poor understanding of humanity. Just get it through your heads that we aren't that great and neither is Zeitopia.
So now we get to religion. I have only two points. Zeitopia denies that "religious" value systems have any pertinent position in human life. Let me say that THAT is close minded. Secondly, Zeitopia has it's own religion anyway. It is a convergence of Theosophy and technology. It is a religion founded in science and Gaianism. And by the way, it looks to be the ultimate in materialism - a need to control everything for everybody - or is that megalomania?. The real deciever is that it says you'll not have to work, but you'll be driven (by what? instinct - well that already brings down the house, or by conditioning? - planned manipulation, that really sheds some light on the internal workings of this nefarious world) to VOLUNTEER your time in whatever you want that will contribute to society. Well, you know, I'm doing that already in this system. Do I really need to jump into Zeitopia to have the same old thing.
Also, the reason you are insulted by Alex Jones and G.E. Griffin is because they are correct about Zeitopia. What you are feeling is called anger, it can flare up when you get your pride woulded. It's a natural thing in humanity. I think you'd do good to go get yourself unpsychoanalysed and run around letting out a few primal screams. It might do you some good to return to your human roots.
I find it interesting that no one in Zeitopia will explain the intricacies of the system to outsiders and then expect those very outsiders to explain the intricacies back to the Zeitopians. It's an old trick, used to create an illusion that you know more than me. It's a form of eleitism, it's the beginnings of a caste system, or a ruling class.
We have more than answered your questions about the inner workings of Zeitopia, and exposed its structure of hodge-podged past and present socialist systems and slants. So with that I'll return to my original question. Where is sovereignty in this system? If I can't see it, smell it, or touch it, where is it. Would you expect me to buy in to a society that I cannot understand with just a promise that my freedom is somewhere out there? No, I'll fight for a system I know has worked if we properly rout out these nefarious bankers and lifelong politicians. Yes, corruption will creep back into the system, but we will fight again. It's kind of like a grass lawn. You know, you Zeitopians remind me of those people who would replace your yard with astro turf so you get the look, but it's totally fake - That's a good description of Zeitopia.
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Thank you so much
for your thoughts on this subject. I love to read your opinions.
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Very true
Your quote, "Would you expect me to buy in to a society that I cannot understand with just a promise that my freedom is somewhere out there? No, I'll fight for a system I know has worked if we properly rout out these nefarious bankers and lifelong politicians. Yes, corruption will creep back into the system, but we will fight again. It's kind of like a grass lawn."
is very true.
Life is a continual regeneration of spirit soul and body. They can not be separated and treated as not having any bearing on each other. This is why I reject the idea that early man had no thoughts of God because he was too busy working? This makes absolutely no sense to me. How can a spirit live if it is not fed? The sovrenty of an individual, to me, means that mankind should not be lumped into time periods where some "expert" stamps lables and meanings to the things they accomplished. Each person in their unique personhoodness, seeks and searches their whole life, and we should not judge their efforts and make conclusions about who had time to think of this or that.
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You are not talking about Zeitgeist
You are fearful of something. The message of this movie does endanger this Revolution.
The message of this film does NOT endanger
this revolution. Zeitgeist is a MOVIE. One man's vision. An interesting exploration. Looks no one will answer the questions contained in this post. They can't. Why? Because they have based their objections of the movie on false arguments. Arguments they do not apply to this movie. Alex and ole Eddy G just threw out "commie" buzz words, etc. This is a sad day for this revolution. A very sad day.
Right. Zeitgeist is a MOVIE. A movie that trashes everything.
"Looks no one will answer the questions contained in this post."
We already have. You just don't listen.
http://www.mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf
Would you trade your liberty for a flying car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsFfBB2W7IA
Zeitgeist part 3: http://www2.b3ta.com/mind-control/
You are completely correct...
on that point. I am fearful that people who claim such great understanding can't punch themselves out of the wet paper bag of Zeitopia.
Have you ever wondered why evolution would take a linear path? Let's take a look at society. First we have hunter-gathering societies. The vast proportion of their time was given over solely to survival, little time over to creating complex myth, or developing technology. We see these peoples as primitive. Then, comes the revolution of agrarian society, but still time was limited for many, spending vast amounts of time in the fields toiling for the food of many. Along comes the industrial revolution and still there are many working all day, but a greater number of people are freed to work in other and emerging fields of interest. And now we are living in a technology assisted world that has started to generate even more amazing fields of study, health, transportation, power generation, etc...
And Zeitopia would continue that revolution toward ultimate technology by freeing all mankind of simple labor, and allow people to shrug off the bonds of the work a day world. The free distribution of resources would deny scarcity and everyone would freely contribute their best efforts to the betterment of society, but because a better society is better for all, including the self.
Please don't believe that I can't comprehend the type of life and world of self sacrifice for personal growth that Zeitopia could be, but please also don't confuse my understanding to be trust or approval. As I have stated before Zeitopia is a weak leap forward, a naive attempt at the next logical step forward in social development. Your resistance to my coherent remarks concerning the fundamental weaknesses in Zeitopia, make me wonder if you are ever willing to debate reality, or if you will just continue to attempt to overlook the growing "swiss cheese" effect that reasoned analysis has had on Zeitopia.If you can't see that your ship is sinking, then I can't help you.
However I will restate the obvious again. If we can remove the cancer of central banking, fractional reserve banking, reliance on the nanny state (of which Zeitopia is the greatest version), and a return to self sufficient citizenry, then why would we ask to have another cancerous socialist system installed? "No doc, cut out the deadly tumor, and when you're done, put in a different one." That's a ridiculous statement. It is an unfortunate situation, but the social planners will be shocked when a self reliant citizenry stand up and kick them out the door. Zeitopia will be another socialist model seen tossed out the door into the rubish heap of poisonous megalomanical attempts to enslave mankind on a global level.
Although Zeitopia might sound like the next logical step in the evolution of society, it is not. It is the worst of all possible steps, save making none. Why, because it makes no provisions against mans instinct toward greed, jealousy, power usurpation, etc...(basically all that bad stuff covered by evil - your favorite nonexistant state of being). It assumes that the progression of more technology in to society is the answer to creating fairness in society, and therefor balance. But, what socialists all fail to recognize is that life is not fair, not meant to be fair, not required to be fair. I'll bet you don't like the sound of that, it is the thought of a primitive and mislead mind. I'm probably conditioned that way from some trauma in my life I just can't comprehend. Or maybe I'm just some competitive jock, brainless muscle blob. Ah, sterotypes, the candy of the witless. None the less, life is not fair, and that's natural. I often find it interesting that all this science into "nature" finds all of these "balances" that occur, buy never seem to notice that all of the "balances" are in turn followed by imbalances of another kind. It's called a cycle. It's natural, unfair, unbalanced and constantly in flux. Zeitopia requires unnatural control for it's existence, and in the real flux of nature, it will suffer catastrophic disaster. Maybe that's where my fear comes from. Your desire to help bring forth a gargantuan disaster. We've hit the nail on the head.
Do not expect me to fight to get out of this society and get right into yours. See, many people look at cell phones as great ways to be connected, I see them as chains on individual freedom. People become slaves to technology because they forget how to do for themselves. They become slaves to someone else's thoughts and forget how to think for themselves. I guess in the end i am most afraid of becoming like you. Forgetting to kick the tires and check the engine fluids. Assuming that everything has been accounted for without ever actually looking. Zeitopia lacks a mechanism to secure individual sovereignty and untill you pinpoint that mechanism, Zeitopia is a waste of my time. I know where I can go to find a system that supports individual sovereignty and it is the Constitution of the united States of America, the Decleration of Independence, and the Articles of Confederation. You should read them for yourself and maybe you will see that you should be afraid of yourself as well.
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