2nd Amendment - DEFINED !!!! THERE IS NOT A QUESTION TO THIS>>> READ IT NOW!!

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haha! great post!

this is what I consider sweet talk, guns, tanks, miltia, machine guns, taking back the Republic, going to be having sweet dreams tonight. I love the DP forum, but this kind of chatter is like music. I can see the tanks rolling towards DC. Thanks for the imagery! I keep having this vision of some smarmy little worm crawling out of a hole in Paraguay getting hauled of to the gallows.....hmm. Okay it's Friday, maybe there is a full moon out and I'm just feeling a little crazy.

Hope you folks like this!

2a Today for The USA Part One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2ZF_mjEGP4

2a Today for The USA Part Two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7txSkmO2S0

2a Today for The USA Part Three
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8nbdVJK_pg

Great stuff! Just incredible! It's correcting me on at least one of my assertions below. Will edit or just delete it later.

Also, in case you missed this the other day, + Here's more parts to it:

American Militia Leader Speaks to Senate Part 1 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqXDY2rsk5s

American Militia Leader Speaks to Senate Part 2 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvS6OQdBda8

American Militia Leader Speaks to Senate Part 3 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE-EuuKFuCY

very good!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

Thanks for posting.

Incorporation of the Bill of Rights is the legal doctrine by which portions of the Bill of Rights are applied to the states through the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_doctrine

So far the 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments are forced onto the states.

The 2nd Amendment is not forced onto the states. This means that the 2nd Amendment only applies to the federal government. The states can do anything they want in regards to guns (within the scope of the individual state constitutions).

Read your state constitution. For example, New Jersey does not protect any gun right in its constitution. It's not even mentioned. This means they can write any law restricting guns that they want. And it's perfectly legal.

However, all federal laws on guns are 100% illegal because the fed is not given any power whatsoever by the people to regulate or legislate against guns. All three branches of the federal government are violating the Constitution right now.

The 2nd Amendment does not give us the right to keep and bear arms. The 2nd Amendment tells the federal government that they are not allowed to infringe on our pre-existing right to bear arms.

We always had the right to guns. Read the preamble to the Bill of Rights, it says that the 10 Amendments are "further restrictive clauses", which means they are statements which restrict the federal government. They are NOT statements that grant anything to anyone.

Furthermore, the federal government was never given the power from the people to regulate or legislate against guns. The powers granted in the Constitution to the federal government are the ONLY powers the federal government has, and nowhere in the Constitution do the people grant any power regarding guns to the federal government.

On the other had, there is no reason that states can't ban or regulate guns. The Bill of Rights do not apply to the states. The only exception where the Bill of Rights is forced onto the states is through the Incorporation Doctrine (google it), and the 2nd Amendment is not forced onto the states.

So in conclusion, the federal government through all its laws and regulations on guns is completely illegal. All three branches of the fed are violating the law.

Secondly, all state laws banning and regulating guns are completely legal, even though I don't agree with any of them.

The founders were afraid of the federal government that's why they gave the fed very little power. But they weren't afraid of state tyranny because states were more local and they falsely believed that voting would prevent tyranny. They were wrong.

Don't forget, we never signed the state constitutions or federal Constitution. So we never agreed to this government.

I once read a pretty logical argument regarding the 2nd Amendment, based around the use of the comma, lol! To recap, I'm going to type out the 2nd Amendment exactly as it appears in my book with the current Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, and Articles of Confederation, which I bought for $15 at the Ron Paul motor home across the street from the Wa. State GOP convention.

""A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.""

The words "Militia", "State", and "Arms" are capitalized for emphasis, because the founders wanted to emphasize that only States can have "Militias", and not the Federal Government (except when called forth by Congress under Article 1 Section 8, which puts the Militia into "Actual Service" under command of the President under Article 2 Section 2). I think a previous posters definition of "Arms" applies here, with regards to any weapon system the Federal Government is allowed, the Militia of the free states is also allowed, as the final check and balance on the Federal Government's ability to use force, so as to prevent them from having a monopoly on the use of force.

Regarding the comma, it separates the different clauses of the 2nd Amendment, in EXACTLY the same way that it separates the clauses in the 1st, or any other Amendment. If the same rule applies to the 1st, then it MUST apply to the 2nd as well. In the 1st Amendment, the comma separates the establishment of religion, free exercise of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, peaceful assembly, and redress of grievances clauses .

In the 2nd Amendment, the comma separates the militia, free state, individual (D.C. v. Heller) right to keep and bear arms, and non-infringement clauses. Therefore, in my view, or the way I understand it at least, The 2nd Amendment recognizes the following "Unalienable Rights endowed by our Creator", (Declaration of Independence para. 2), as the Constitution and Bill of Rights does not grant rights, but recognizes that as a sovereign individual you were born with them, so that since government did not give them to you, government can not take them away, (except by due process of law). The Bill of Rights should more properly been called the "Bill on Limitations of Government", as they are a list of "Shall Not's". I got this Bill of Rights info from the John Birch Society movie called "An Overview of America".

My understanding of the unalienable Rights endowed by our Creator recognized by the 2nd Amendment are as follows:

1) The unalienable Right to form or participate in a Militia,

2) The unalienable Right to use such Militia to provide for the security of a free State,

3) The unalienable individual Right to keep and bear arms, (keep = own and possess, bear = operate and/or carry on your person),

and 4) The unalienable Right to be free from "any form of government" infringing upon in any way, the above mentioned unalienable Rights endowed by our Creator, for any infringement upon these or any other unalienable Rights would be "destructive to these ends" and therefore "compel the separation", as is articulated in the Declaration of Independence.

Also, any reasonable reading of 10 U.S.C. 311 clearly delineates the differences between the 2 types of Militia:

TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 311

§ 311. Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

This act is current law, and it's originating language can be found in the Militia Act of 1792, written just 1 year after the Bill of Rights. The National Guard and Naval Reserve known as the organized militia are NOT the Constitutional Militia of the free states for 2 reasons. 1) The National Guard was not created until 1903 resulting from the Dick Act, and therefore was not in existence at the time of the Constitutions writing, and 2) The Military Commissions Act of 2006 (which re-wrote the Insurrection Act) places them under direct control of the President. Only the "unorganized Militia" now is the Constitutional Militia of the Free States. Units such as the Washington State Guard, which is not the National Guard of Washington State, but is the official Militia of Washington State, are not the Constitutional Militia either. At least 20 states including Washington has had their official Militias gobbled up by NORTHCOM, and is no longer under the control of the Governors (same fate suffered by the National Guard), but is under the control of the President. These units constitute a new new body known as "State Defense Forces" under command of NORTHCOM.

State Defense Forces
http://www.stormingmedia.us/45/4561/A456124.html

The reason I included 10 U.S.C. 311 can be found in definition 3 below:

mi·li·tia (m-lsh)
n.
1. An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers.
2. A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.
3. The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.

So, my understanding is that the Militia is the "whole body" of every physically fit able bodied individual sovereign age 17 to 44 who is not a member of the organized Militia (National Guard, Naval Reserve, State Guards, U.S. Military, etc.). That means, if you are able bodied and age 17 - 44 and not in the military, then you are a member of the Constitutional unorganized Militia. This definition is certainly backed up by the founders in the Federalist Papers:

http://www.dangeroustruths.com/MILITIA.HTM

"A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms...To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them..." - Richard Henry Lee, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights. Additional Letters From the Federal Farmer 53, 1788.

Application of the 19th Amendment means that it is all men and women now. With equal rights come equal responsibilities after all :)

Wikipedia has something about how the original 2nd Amendment has less commas than the version I quoted, but the version I quoted is the one passed by the house and senate and is the the one in my book, so that's why I used it. Also, I have previously see info regarding the use of the word "unorganized". I do not interpret this to mean "not well regulated" in violation of the 2nd Amendment, but to mean "decentralized" which conforms to Militia doctrine since the Revolution. This is why you will never see a National Command Authority of the Constitutional Militia, as it is supposed to be a bottom-up institution locally controlled and operated (unless called to actual service). I acknowledge that I need more research on this part. Any info on this would be appreciated.

In closing, I'm not a Constitutional scholar, but I sure do love reading and researching it, our history, and the advice and writings of our founders. Sorry for the long book, but I hope you find my take interesting. Please let me know if I screwed up! Thank you.

Anyone stupid enough to give up a weapon because the government passes yet another law saying they must is probably too stupid to own a firearm anyway.

Pat

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YES the CONSTITUTION is the LAST form of legal tender for the true AMERICANS....GUNS are the last OFFENCive DEFENCE..............
MALITIA vs MILLITARY
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