What happens to Gold & Silver during Inflation, Deflation, Stagflation, & Biflation.
Submitted by economics31 on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 11:59
How have precious metals reacted during past periods of inflation, deflation, biflation, and stagflation? Did people who had silver and gold in Argentina, Russia, Germany, Great Depression, and the French Revolution fare better than the people who held cash or other assets? I'm looking for empirical examples of what happened during past events. This is an example: http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/10.08/tshtf1.html
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Here's the answer from
Here's the answer from newsletter writer David Morgan:
Professor Roy W. Jastram of the University of California at Berkeley when he penned the book called, The Golden Constant. “Just how does silver perform during inflations or deflations?” Professor Jastram explained this question when he wrote a second book titled, Silver: The Restless Metal.
As far as the study goes back in the English history, silver did very well in periods of deflation, not inflation, with the exception of the deflation from 1873 to 1896 where, basically, it was demonetized and we were gold only. Even then, it behaved well, going down only 6% in purchasing power.
US review: The record for the two precious metals is remarkably similar. Both lost purchasing power in every inflation in the United States until the last period mentioned, 1951 to 1979, where silver out-performed gold. What adds interest to this similarity is that silver was effectively demonetized in 1834, whereas the gold standard prevailed a century longer. It is true that the U.S. Congress was fiddling with the silver market from 1807 through 1920, but the effect was to put a floor under the silver price, with the gold price being strictly set. And from 1933 until 1975, U.S. citizens could not buy gold. However, precious metals have a long-standing reputation as hedges against inflation. Jastram writes, “This is not valid based on evidence of a century and a half in the United States and more than three centuries in England. The truth is, in most cases, the two metals, yes, both silver and gold, gained operational wealth in deflations.” From a long-term perspective, gold has held its purchasing power very well in the United States.
Gold will generally do well
Gold will generally do well in inflation, unless that inflation is caused by excessive optimism wrt future earnings driving credit creation to fund equity investments through the roof, like in the 90’s.
In deflation, gold will do less well, unless and until people start worrying that stimuli to break out of deflation is so strong as to soon turn it into uncontrollable inflation. Though we are likely going to experience deflation for some time, if BoomBoom does decide to throw caution over board and literally starts dropping trillions from helicopters, I will be happy I have some gold.
Another factor is that any big monetary upheavals as a result of fed mismanagement and fracres banking in general, whether deflation or inflation, makes it (at least slightly) more likely that the fiat money crowd will be booted out in favor of those preferring sound money. If that’s the case, gold will really be ‘worth its weight in gold’.
Saying anything about silver is complicated by the fact that so much of it is used industrially, and its value is therefore much more dependent than gold’s on performance of the real economy, as opposed to purely monetary factors.
I have seen alot of dates
The Dates for sale of PM have all been pushed back till after the election. Go and look for yourself. I wonder? In any event Silver rounds going for .99 over spot. Buffalo nickel design at APMEX. Just watch-out for those shipping dates.
What are you saying?
What are you saying?
What are you saying?
Are you saying what I think your saying?
I'm not sure what you're
I'm not sure what you're saying?
US Eagles.
One thing about US Gold Eagles is they do have a legal tender value of $50. Just an interesting fact.
A good analogy
What happens to the Sun if the Earth were to move away, and Mars were to explode, and Mercury were to fuse and make a huge diamond.
Nothing really, it just will change your perspective of the Sun.
What i mean, is that regardless of what the dollar does, the Yen does, or any other currency does, gold and silver will have roughly the same value as they always have.
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How has silver held its
How has silver held its value over the past year? I'm not asking for simplistic century long equivalents of value comparisons. I'm asking for empirical evidence of what has happened in times of different forms of crisis over history. Is it smarter to hold cash during deflations? Did people during the French Revolution who had gold do better than the people who had livestock? Or were the gold holders executed because they were elitists?
Does anybody have empirical evidence of past examples?
It hasn't
It hasn't held it's value...it's not something that's absolute and will always be worth 100% the same from day to day...but it will return back to a normal value if given a little time.
Silver has overdiscounted because of fear of recession...because silver is used as an investment, but also consumed by industry...less industry, less need for silver.
If times are truly headed for crisis as many here believe (i'm not among them) then silver might be a good investment...but ammunition, alcohol, and cigarettes will be better.
What do you think about the war on drugs?
How about Operation Wall Street?
Shout it today!
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Thanks jzneff. This is more
Thanks jzneff. This is more of what I'm looking for. Did a person in Argentina have a better return on survival and investment by holding cigarettes than silver? Did a person in the French Revolution do better owning a cow than a gold Franc? Did a person in Russia do better owning gold than Rubles?
What happens to them during
dishonest economic desecration? Seeing as that is what we are experiencing now.
It sure does seem like naked
It sure does seem like naked short selling is pushing things down, but I'm still looking for empirical evidence of what happens at various stages of deflation and biflation.
Gold and Silver have consistent buying power, period.
If someone decided instead of buying a new home in 1930 that they would take the $3500 and buy gold instead.
Then in 2008, decided to trade the gold for FRNs, they would now be able to buy a house.
However, If they had put $3500 cash in a box, they would be able to buy, what? An old pick-up truck?
Gold and silver hold buying power and are true savings that do not depend on currency's ups and downs. When the money is up, gold's up, when the money's down gold's down. But you can always get the same amount of stuff with it.
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That's not what he asked
He asked how the buying power of currency compared to the buying power of gold and silver at various times.
consistent is the answer
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How consistent is the
How consistent is the current price action?
And if someone sold their
And if someone sold their gold in 1929 and went to Canada in 1935 to buy back gold they would have been able to buy 6 houses in 2008.
Or conflagration?
Just thought it might as well be added to the mix. Actually, I think I answered my own question. It would melt and still hold its value.
depends on the temperature
at 1948 degrees f, fine (pure) gold melts. The same thing happens to fine (pure) silver at 1763 degrees f.
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Yet even melted into a blob
It still retains its original value, right. How many things can you say that about?
True, unless you get them to
5084.6 °F for gold and 4013.6 °F for silver, they will then turn to gas, evaporate and dissipate in the air. So, if your house catches fire and doesn't reach those temperatures, your gold and silver will be better off than your other possessions
But my recommendation is to buy a fireproof safe, and store your bullion in that.
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gold gas by the troy ounce.
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What temp do diamonds melt?
What temp do diamonds melt?
Trick question.
Although the melting point of carbon is 6381 °F; a diamond (chemical C) will actually combine with Oxygen to create CO2 at around 2800 degrees F.
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Not to get on a completely different tangent
but you seem to be very knowledgable about these kind of things. Have you done any research on monoatomic gold, or so called white powder gold and it's very unusual proven properties? It seems this substance actually breaks the barriers of known science in many ways. There could be a seperate thread on this. It is very fascinating.
I don't know that much about it;
but interestingly enough, one of my ex's earned her phd studying biochemistry, working in medical nanotechnology. She used monoatomic gold in many of her experiments. The thing that I found most interesting about monoatomic gold that she told me was that it was very active at that size; whereas in its combined atomic form, it tends to be one of the more stable elements.
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"the only thing that keeps the banking system from failing is general ignorance about how the banking system works."
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Check out if you want
You tube "Secrets of the Sacred Ark" #5 and #6" . It tells of the extraordinary properties of monoatomic gold or white powder gold. Superconductivity, anti-gravity, and levitation properties. Very interesting.
Thanks, Victory,
I'll try to get to it tomorrow or Thursday.
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"the only thing that keeps the banking system from failing is general ignorance about how the banking system works."
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The reason that gold is so
The reason that gold is so attractive during troubling times is that it will always retain its purchasing power. During deflation, the price of gold may fall, but it still maintains its purchasing power. Unless scientists develop some way to drastically increase gold production output(not very likely), gold isn't likely to lose any real value.
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- Ludwig Von Mises
"My theories explain, but cannot slow the decline of a great civilization. I set out to be a reformer, but only became the historian of decline."
- Ludwig Von Mises