Dummies Don't Understand It--THIS IS NOT A CRASH!
October 20, 2008 (LPAC)--Lyndon LaRouche today strongly criticized those who claim that the worst of the "financial crash is over,'' declaring that what the world is going through is not a financial crash, at all, but a far more devastating disintegration of the entire global financial system.
LaRouche explained: "Dummies do not understand what is happening now. But here is what is happening: There are two phenomena going on at the same time. First, we are seeing a hyperbolic hyperinflation in the financial arena, particularly with respect to the quadrillions of dollars in outstanding derivatives. The U.S. Federal Reserve and other central banks around the globe are generating massive amounts of hyperinflationary new money, new dollars, in their doomed effort to bail out the quadrillion dollar collapse of the world financial system.
"At the same time,'' LaRouche continued, "we are seeing a temporary collapse of costs of key commodities, such as gasoline. The reason for the price collapse is that world trade and world production have collapsed. The global real economy is crumbling, in most parts of the world. Production is falling, need for raw materials and manufactured goods is crumbling, as people lose their jobs, lose their savings, lose their homes.
"So we are witnessing two simultaneous developments: Hyperinflation on an unprecedented scale, in the financial realm, and a collapse of physical production worldwide, causing a fall in commodity prices. This is an explosion, not a crash, and that is plain to see. Only dummies could miss the true significance of the current phase of this systemic disintegration process.''
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I don't care for the
I don't care for the condescending tone of his title. We shall see if what he says turns out to be true.
Does he think it is engineered too?
"Only dummies could miss the true significance of the current phase of this systemic disintegration process.''
I think the word "systematic" here implies that he does think it is engineered.
I think it's engineered. I figured I'd shoot his PAC an e-mail to clarify. Will post the response once I get it.
For the record. I'm a Ron Paul guy 100%, but I do think this guy brings up some good points, and I'm willing to take what I need and leave the rest. It'll be interesting to see what comes as a response.
1 last point, I would say that 1 big fault of LaRouchePAC folks is that they believe their guy is 100% right all of the time, and that only he can lead us out of this mess, and that only his plan for a new Bretton-Woods will work. This of course is repugnant to open minded objective debate.
Let us C4L folks not act this way. Obama people do this as well, they think their guy is Jesus, his feces don't stink, and he can walk on water. It's eerie....
THE DISCONNECT: So, is this guy saying the Fed is
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inflating, but the prices of commodities are falling?
Like this?
http://www.mrci.com/client/crb.php
In my opinion, this is just an early symptom of deflation. After more tug of war between inflation and deflation, this type of disconnect is likely to get much worse especially beyond 2010, in my opinion.
Most people seem to have too simplistic and inadequate understanding of the economy, in my opinon.
First of all, when someone talks about money supply increase, I hope he or she is NOT ASSUMING that the money supply increase or decrease can ONLY be done by the Fed or the government. The biggest part of the money supply is the credit in the private sector as far as I could find. Even if the Fed injected new money, the credit in the private sector could collapse and the net money supply could decrease.
Second, if indeed the net money supply was increased, you also have to look in to the economic structure and consider how quickly or slowly the expanded money supply would propagate through the economy and also how widely or narrowly.
Third, if the increased net money supply was indeed distributed widely at some point in the future to mean something, you have to consider then what people are likely to do with it. Are they going to just hoad it or spend it and if spend it, on what?
Just my opinions.
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Once more, your opinion
Once more, your opinion shows little but a disconnect between the differences of supply/demand deflation and monetary deflation, they are two different things and operate on two different mechanisms. First, you misunderstand what demand pushed deflation is, it is caused by sustained or continual decreases in aggregate demand. Cost pushed deflation is caused by sustained or continual increases in aggregate supply of goods and services. In economic models you can have several things happening outside of monetary mechanics.
Here again, you don’t seem to understand monetary mechanics, you have stated several times that the biggest part of the money supply comes from the private sector however, that is simply untrue. There is no instance which the private sector increases the money supply. Any extension of credit, which only represents the provision of present goods and services for future repayment from existing money can only be extended by private companies because credit has been extended to them by the banking system through what is known as “bank-money” which is part of the fractional reserve system. Remember, credit in the private sector depends on several things, one is that the entity extending the credit has a line of credit available to them from their banking institution, that is where their ability to extend credit comes from; second you must remember that such credit only promises future payment of future money as a promise for repayment at a future date. In such cases, these private entities are not creating money, only extending credit for future repayment on delivered goods and services.
Greed, you fail to understand so much about both the monetary system and credit systems under a government fiat system. Credit expansion is exclusively a government practice to extend as much expansion as possible to keep the gears of economic growth possible, since under a fiat system the only way to increase economic growth is through the inflation of both credit and the money supply. Now, private banks, investment banks are the prime instrument in the issuance of fiduciary media, but even their role is little more than ancillary to the overall mechanical system functioning as a basis of government and FED policies. The government/FED alone directs the entire course of affairs concerning the creation and expansion of credit within the market place using the tools it has available in such things as interest rate manipulation. Thus far, the government/FED has, through the decades, almost full and complete supremacy in every matter concerning the size and circulation of credit. While the actual size of credit expansion within the private and commercial banking system is limited, based upon the reserve system, the aim of the government/FED is to achieve the greatest degree possible of credit expansion.
The assumption that the private sector credit collapse would take money out of the system is, to say the least, a misunderstanding of how credit works; credit is providing present goods and services for the future promise of repayment, they are not current dollars, but future dollars. You fail to understand the differences between the various types of inflation, as well as the various types of deflation. As such, your conclusions are incorrect since you appear to be mixing up a great number of issues as simply deflationary on a monetary side of the equation, when in fact there are several factors involved.
As far as actual expansion is concerned, there are several inflationary factors coming into play. We will see those factors begin to take effect and while there are deflationary sectors involved in this massive downturn, the overall trend will be inflationary due to the extraordinary steps being taken by the central banks around the world, as well as in this country. I estimate a huge inflationary push by the middle of next year as we just begin to see the effects of all this massive injection of money into circulation through the various elements of the economic and monetary systems.
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Ask specific questions and I should be able to tell you where
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you can find data.
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Guess whos gonna be
first in line for their new global bank account with carbon tax automatic deductions?
The Joseph Principle
As pointed out , all going according the the script:
http://www.etherzone.com/2008/mako102008.shtml
We are going through a carefully scripted 'crisis" that is
designed to make us "welcome" a one world financial system.
We will be begging them to save us from the horrors of the unregulated market.
Oh my! The unregulated markets are going to kill us!
Help Mr. Government!
Rescue us from:
terrorists
global warming
saddam
wall street
free markets
"Mr. government? The Constitution stands between us and security. Bad constitution! Get rid of that antique document! If we have a constitution the terrorists will kill us that economy will collapse."
Please help us!
We are weak and afraid!
Fox news says we are all going to get it if you don't intervene!
Folks, they are playing us like a flute.
Don't you get it?
Or are you too busy watching the phony stock market flop around on CNN?
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Well I for one at least buy
Well I for one at least buy that "theory". Don't forget the "Bird Flu" excuse for Marital Law lockdown.
Sorry, I don't buy into that
Sorry, I don't buy into that theory. From what I see there is a complete unraveling of their precious debt standard of fiat money. This has been expected because such systems eventually implode due to the massive amount of debt necesary to create and maintain such systems. I see their complete power structure disintergrating before their eyes and they are scrambling to patch it up with anything they can at this moment. The fiat system is the source of all their power and wealth, without it they have no power and their wealth will fade with the fake money they have imposed upon us. I say let it die and send it to the bone yard.
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Blow Up
May it all blow up in their face to their utter ruin and demise, and then they will be at the mercy of the peasants!
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Agreed!
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I agree with you.
I agree with you.
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Lyndon LaDouche.
Lyndon LaDouche.
Consider the source
LaRouche is not someone you can believe or trust. This is his second attempt to convince you that the world is unravelling.
He began in the 1970's, saying if the US doesn't begin immediately converting to dialectic economics (founded by Karl Marx) they would unravel. He further expanded later in the 1970's by promoting that the Soviet Union would overtake us economically in the 1980's, because of the benefits of their collectivist action.
After a 5 year prison term (during which he actually ran for congress and president) he picked a new cause du jour, third world debt...as that was garnering attention. He also rallied and supported OJ Simpson, because the system had rushed to judge him...
Now that the financial crisis of our generation has begun, Lyndon is again claiming that this will be our undoing...this time he's serious, if we don't embrace collectivism, we'll never survive.
I'll bet he writes a book in the next year or two describing how China will overtake the US in the 2010's
He's a scum of the highest order, an opporitunist collectivist. Trust Lyndon LaRouche at your own peril.
Even a dummie can see that collectivism will always fail. Freedom will always triumph in a fair fight against collectivism.
What do you think about the war on drugs?
How about Operation Wall Street?
Shout it today!
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Although we rarely agree on
Although we rarely agree on much Jzeff, on this I would agree concerning LaRouche overall however, on this particular subject he has hit it on the nose.
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I think
I think we've agreed to disagree on what the eventual outcome will be of this mess. Time will tell.
Please fully dig up LaRouche's bones before you join his PAC, or send him money, or have any contact with his groups. I don't know if it's the truth or not, but he has been associated with kidnappings and attempted brainwashing.
The communists all have one thing in common...they crawl from the woodwork during the worst of times ready to blame the individual.
I implore you to realize (not you Republicae, but just a general statement) that although our system is far from perfect, it is much much much better than a collectivist one.
What do you think about the war on drugs?
How about Operation Wall Street?
Shout it today!
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Oh, I would never, ever join
Oh, I would never, ever join up with LaRouche on the principle that he is a ultra-nationalist in his thinking, seems to employ underhanded methods to achieve his own glory and prestige. As I said, he has read this one correct in his assessment.
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I know
I know you're too educated to fall for Lyndon's BS...it's quite obvious from your writings. I was just warning anyone else, as I know people love to listen in on our various arguments.
What do you think about the war on drugs?
How about Operation Wall Street?
Shout it today!
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I Respect The Astuteness Of Both You Gentlemen…
… because you normally submit your reasons and reasoning for scrutiny. But on the question of who is Lyndon Larouche you both seem content to repeat the self-serving rumors of those on whose toes he has stepped through his long career as an anti-establishment gadfly. Your gossip was not any more egregious than occurs on most political blogs with opinionated posters, but Jzneff, you recognize “… people love to listen in on our various arguments.”
Vague incendiary calumny should, by now, be familiar as fallacious psy-ops response to be anticipated as against those who challenge prevailing orthodoxy controlled by the powers that be. Any critic worth his salt should have well earned these badges of honor. My point is not to shill for LaRouche, about whom I still know very little. But I would hope that marginalization and accusations should become a red flag alert to revolutionaries by now to pay particular attention and afford scrutinous regard for the expression of actual views of government critics.
I know, to your credit, you have certainly not shouted him down. Of course you are busy, we all are; but I’ll bet there are others, such as myself, who would have relished your studied analysis of some of his topical, cutting edge viewpoints that seem to so ruffle the feathers of the vultures his outspokenness seems to offend. In this regard, I would be more interested in an analysis of LaRouche's own words ( it doesn’t seem like his career has been marked by reticence). In fact, I’m impressed by the telling restraint of his detractors which leaves me to draw inferences by their failure to cast aspersions that he is a child molester, polygamist, deadbeat dad or illegal immigrant Islamic extremist.
Jzneff, you observed: “Freedom will always triumph in a fair fight against collectivism.” Let’s not take it for granted we’ll get a fair fight.
Let’s embrace our responsibility to hold that front line as a matter of principle:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/68034#comment-712618
The fact that they sent him to prison for tax code violations, peaks my interest in wishing to understand more of what this nonconformist has had to say through the years:
One of LaRouche's attorneys, former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, apparently wrote that his case involved "a broader range of deliberate and systematic misconduct and abuse of power over a longer period of time in an effort to destroy a political movement and leader, than any other federal prosecution in my time or to my knowledge."
Please make no mistake, I’m not much of a joiner, so I don’t feel at any personal risk from exposure to LaRouche’s ideas. The only presumptuous admonition I would confide to my independent-minded fellow revolutionary compatriots is: keep an open mind, question, especially authority, and at all times set a good example by diplomatically practicing critical thinking with reason and evidence as your guide.
I commend this short summary as a start. I found, with a grain of salt, it’s interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche
Anyone who has spent a career criticizing the FED, Zionists, Mainstream Media, Government, Politics As Usual, Neocons, and Henry Kissinger can’t be all bad.
I withhold judgement
I'm not judging if he has done the things he's been accused of...i'm sure a lot of it is trumped up BS because he's opposed the powers that be.
My major issue with him, however, is not reconcilable. He worships the collective and loathes the individual. He is for the greater good at the expense of the few. Anyone who believes in the mob over the person is deluded in my opinion, and calls anything they say into question.
I appreciate that he's man enough to stand up to the politics as usual regime, but i'm not the type to believe the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Many Germans in the 1930's deplored and feared communism, and thought that anyone who opposed communism would surely not lead them astray.
What do you think about the war on drugs?
How about Operation Wall Street?
Shout it today!
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Well said.
JM
Mr. Larouche, in many circles, has been labeled a nut. But I have noticed it is difficult to disagree with his political viewpoints.
JM
Exactly why we are seeing $70
oil.. Which I admit I was wrong on.. Looking at what is happening makes sense.. I thought the massive pumping of currency into the world markets would cause hyperinflation and make the price of everything go way up.. Even printing of money cant stave off the sheer size of the problem the International bankers have created for themselves.
Everything is slow.. everywhere I go and every business I've talked to.
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don't be so quick to say you were wrong...
on $70 oil...i too said it would never happen but the guy who predicted it NEVER said $70 dollar oil would be linked and coupled hand in hand with a world economic financial crisis...perhaps if he predicted it in those terms we might have agreed with him
larouche says the price of oil and commodities are falling because of a drastic reduction in manufacturing or growth...one might think prices would rise in that scenario...can someone explain to me how it works the opposite way? it would seem, like with silver, a demand would stimulate prices...
that's why i'm not a millionaire, i guess
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It's not as big a factor as you might think
The financial crisis did not drive the price of oil through the floor. The price of oil was already well pointed this low before the crisis talk began. It merely accelerated a popping commodity bubble that had been underway since early July.
If LaRouche believes that oil and commodities falling are a result of a stalling world economy, then was the increase in prices until July a result of a booming world economy? The prices are just about where they were a year ago, why would it take a world crisis to bring them back to Earth? In fact, a large reason why the economy is slowing down is an after effect of the price of oil and other commodities skyrocketing earlier this year.
If the price of oil drops to $40, maybe I'll believe that it's due to a drastic reduction in manufacturing...but until then, I see a market that finally got a little realistic with commodity prices.
Bubbles have a funny way of distorting our views. You may find it hard to swallow, but out of the 20 largest real estate markets, only 1 has houses priced lower than the year 2000 (Detroit). The prices may have fallen quite quickly...but L.A., Washington DC, and Miami still have house prices that are almost double those of the year 2000.
It's not that they are tanking as much as coming back to reality after an unnatural rise.
What do you think about the war on drugs?
How about Operation Wall Street?
Shout it today!
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we have had inflation... the
we have had inflation... the real bad inflation will be here soon!
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Actually it is LaRouche with the "dummy" talk
The Internet just opens the door for people to be as rude as they ever wished they could be.
The economy is extremely complicated at its simplest level. Most people don't fully understand it no matter how intelligent or educated they are. A person actually shows his own vulnerabilities by saying that anyone who does not understand it is a "dummy."
I think the insult was
I think the insult was directed toward those in the FED and the government, not necessarily those in the general public.
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He is hitting in on the
He is hitting in on the head...the debt standard of fiat money is unraveling. It is important to remember that we have yet to see the full consequences of all the actions and reactions of both the markets, the money supply and the movement of goods and services. Once the full import of these actions and reactions begin to show themselves in the general economy we will see drastic convulsions, especially of the hyperinflationary type.
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not new just, who
THIS is what I've been saying all along ..It takes an expert to explain it to accept the scenario...
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