I don't think any planes hit the WTC buildings on 9-11....

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I think this topic is important so we can get the right diagnosis on past events and we can prevent future false flag operations, whether it be some nuke or bioterror event. We can alter the future if we remain vigilant against those parties that were involved in passed transgressions.

1) I don't believe an airplane can penetrate or melt into a building. The airplane is predominantly aluminum and if I recall a Boeing designer suggested it was like a 'flying beer can'. So how did it penetrate a concrete/steel building the way it was shown on TV? Using Newton's 3rd law of motion, when a aluminum airplane hits a steel building would it melt into the building?

You know what I think should have happened if there was a plane that hit the building? I figure the front end section would crumple like a car hitting a wall... because of the angle of impact the tail section of the plane would have swung around and the side of the plane would have smashed against the building and there would be an explosion, but no penetration. Missiles are compact and have special steel warheads for penetration. They are nothing like a 'flying beer can' airplane.

Here is a pic of what it should look like when aluminum hits steel:
http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=1032

2) Where are the large plane parts... wing section, tail section.. big engines? Disintegrated? Swept away? I've seen pictures of a dinky object that may have been a turbojet of a missile, but no huge nacelle or turbojet pieces. I've also seen a few photos that I consider fake and planted.

3) If you're a truther, what is your theory on who controlled the plane? Remote control using Global Hawk tech? Way too risky. 'Truther' airline pilots with thousands hours of flight experience couldn't hit the WTC on a flight simulator? (and some people suggest that hijackers that couldn't even fly Cessnas could perform these maneuvers with pinpoint accuracy..) Despite advanced technology, it would be too difficult and risky to attempt to guide a plane into a building using remote control. Failure to hit the targets would be disastrous.

Here is a link to a thread that calls out Devin Clark as a possible Motion Animator for the 2nd Plane Hit:
http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=2367

Here is a great How-To video from animator that duplicates the CNN fake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNXmgF2yAEc

Here is a link to the real poweful video September Clues:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8045542387672451515

I guess seeing is NOT believing this day and age....

...and whatever you believe in regards to 9-11, we must be vigilant in keeping the MEDIA accountable... for those who do believe in this theory, we must expose those in the MEDIA that were involved and continue to monitor the actions of these individuals to prevent future false flag operations. Whether they were the animators or fake witnesses I think we must expose and monitor their actions.

... all right everyone.. you live, you die.. be free... be powerful...

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In regards to Newton's 3rd Law of Motion. It just states that for every action there must be an equal and opposite reaction. Hence the force the plane exerts on the building is equal and opposite to the force the building exerts on the plane.

From LibertyVote:
Flight 175 - Impossible Speed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2upl977dsY

From JennyD:
9-11 No Vortices - No real planes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry8wHDn1_Z8

From another forum:
Jack Blood and Dylan Avery admit to TV fakery?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaECuQqrsw8

No-planer Warren Cuccurillo (former 'Duran Duran' guitarist) confirms on a phone call from Jeff Hill of http://www.pumpitout.com/ that Jack Blood and Dylan Avery admitted to him that the WTC crash videos are fake after they watched the new 'September Clues' at Warren's house. Avery later denied this.

CBS President warned about fake plane crashes in 2000.
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2008/09/cbs-prez-warned-about-f...

Thank you everyone for your input.

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The plane theory is desinged to get folks off of WTC7

is it that hard to figure out?

the truth movement has been fully co opted by the grid.....duh.

Unify

there was no investigation

we relied on liars to tell us there were hijacked airliners, and they got away with it because of the faked video.
And they knew they would get away with it, and they don't care much if a few of us know better, because their agents are in place to mislead us.

Now let's take back our government.

This

is an explosive hitting a building:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=zF3sCv8JT-4

notice a difference?
oh wait of course not...

CHA-CHING!

if it were possible to disassociate ourselves from our

preconceived ideas of how massive a plot this was and how many people would need to be in on it, and just looked at the scenes with new eyes it really isnt that hard to fathom that a no-plane theory deserves a closer look. The big argument is "ALL those New Yorkers were there- you try telling THEM there was no plane". That perception also was molded on 9/11 by the MSM. I hear people saying there was no plane. coulda been a missile, something just hit etc. We were all led to be on the same page :"this is an incident involving planes". If you werent willing to confirm that to the reporters they seemed to just talk over you. They were selling planes that day. Oh sure - if ya loaded a youtube video asking people to chime-in who saw the 1st and 2nd planes hit theyd say "I was there- saw the plane- i wintnessed an historic moment"- but on 9/11 ive yet to hear from one clear-thinking, non-media new yorker who saw a plane. But there are plenty who saw a fireball or what took place as a result of an apparent plane. The details when looked at closely make that avenue of investigation legitimate in my opinion. Its silly not to involve the media in the investigation- they clearly shaped the public's perception that day. All we knew is what they wanted us to see.

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Jenny D

Seeing as you brought up vortices yesterday, why don't you explain what an aircraft vortex (singular) is, and what wingtip vortices (plural) are. Some people on here seem to have no idea what you are talking about.

You said yesterday, also, that someone told you that an airliner cannot travel much over 200 mph at the altitude at which the WTC towers were struck - about 800 feet. Whoever told you that ... their ass is sucking swamp-water !

What speed do you suppose an airliner is traveling about 4 or 5 miles out on final approach at about 800 feet altitude, already throttled way back, before the spoilers are deployed, and landing gear are lowered in order to SLOW DOWN EVEN MORE for landing at about 160 mph ?

About 300 mph would be in the ballpark ... and that's when it is already throttled way down to prepare for landing.

Here is a clip that shows

what the Vortices should have looked like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry8wHDn1_Z8
Whoops, I see you have this one posted already .

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the person that told you about the approach speed

is a certified and licenced pilot who has thousands of hours of commercial airlines flying time.I'm not here to make up stories I'm here to investigate the biggest lie ever told to the american public. I won't use bullshit to get my point across. If it isn't true and documented I will not say it.

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Is this one of those pilots that couldn't hit a skyscraper

with an airplane, even if he tried ?

yes people who know from experience how rediculous it is .

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well I hope he is retired

because I would certainly not want him trying to land any plane I was on...

CHA-CHING!

you are so misguided man it's not funny.

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First of all, please show me

First of all, please show me where I stated 200 MPH EVER! You are a total liar. I said the speeds were impossible at the altitude the planes were supposedly traveling at (near sea-level) please STFU you dissinfo piece of shit.

Since you asked.. and I barely feel obligated to respond to such an insult.. a vortex is a mini-tornado to the layman.. it is basically what you would expect from any fluid moving in a clockwise/coutnerclockwise direction. The term is most oft used with airliners.. most airline pilots would quickly tell you vortices are real, and at 500+ MPH it is impossible to get anywhere near less than 20 feet about ground level.

Jenny D, will you accept an apology

from a dissinfo piece of shit ?

I went back in this thread, and the statement about an airliner's maximum speed at an altitude of approximately 800 feet, being no more than 200 mph, which I attributed to you, in error, was NOT MADE BY YOU ... it was in a post by sentinel.

Sorry about that.

absolutely, vortices are real !

That's why vertical extensions have been added to the wingtips of many large aircraft.

I just asked you to explain what they are, for people who don't know what they are.

The second plane hit around the 87th floor, if I recall correctly. That's an altitude of about 800 to 900 feet.

Just because I am disagreeing about something, I am a dissinfo piece of shit ?

Jeez, I'm glad I don't hang with your crowd. And I'm thinking you probably feel the same ... LOL

Jenny pilots for 911 truth have testified that the

speed of flight at that altitude could have been no more than just over 200 miles per hour. This is also why the whole inertia arguement is silly.
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But, that's not what the

But, that's not what the black box reflects.. Have you taken any look whatsoever at what the black boxes have recorded? It's is completely contradictory with everything I have ever learned about Aerodynamics.. There is no way these aircraft could have been traveling at such as spead with air as thick as it was at the altitude they were flying.. sorry, but impossible.

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...no

right place- we just started early- have a seat.

Live Free or Diebold

Thanks Jinc

You're always so nice to me.....8)
Where are the refreshments?

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Everything you say is true

but the unanswered questions are so many. How could this have happened with all the onlookers and there is no other rogue film or even cell phone footage of either plane. There is not even a single dissenting voice disputing what they saw. The missing plane in PA is an impossibility as well as the Pentagon. Unfortunately we are left with questions that can't be answered because the media is in on the cover up and the investigators never even asked what happened. It's no wonder we never got the truth on the Kennedy assassination, if they can hide the truth on something as big as this. Maybe David Copperfield helped to make the planes disappear.

explain this picture shown to us ?

http://www.contrarianthinker.com/Index%20Page/911%20plane.jpg

definately not a commercial airplane. what was it ?

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Have you seen what Hollywood produces these days?

It's a fairly decent CGI.. Have you looked at the contradictory flight paths, or the fact that speeds at these levels were impossible, and ground vortices at the Pentagon made that flight-path impossible?

The fact that air is much denser at a lower altitude makes most of the flight paths on 9/11 an impossibility, hate to break it to you.

ok Jenny D.- im all about what youre saying- and I puzzled over

the vortices- but how do we account for the wheel found at the base of the tower? did someone have it in a semi container and drop it off the back when no-one was looking? Big operation, small necessary detail? Im more inclined to question a first plane, and allow a modified 2nd plane. Some footage shows a flash (missile?) right before impact. Could there have been an explosive-fitted plane that hit the 2nd tower ?- would the introduction of a simultaneous missile explosion neutralise the vortice? This has been the first Ive heard about vortices- are you sure that a jet definitely would have made one under those conditions?

Live Free or Diebold

Here is a clip

Claiming proof of it being planted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaBzjd8ejGY&feature=related

I am gross and perverted, I'm obsessed and deranged, I have existed for years but very little has changed, I'm the tool of the government and industry too. Have you guessed me yet??
I'm the slime oozing out from your TV set.

the wings went through a wall of steel girders ? please ?

just that part is so dumb it confounds any logic. maybe the hard metal parts would ahve gone in the building given an opening but never a plane fuselage. It's just not possible.

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what should have looked like a bug splattered on a windshield

was told to us that the hole made through steel and reinforced concrete was a perfect size of a plane span ?

Only in the magical world of OZ.

~Mikael / Peace, love, Light and unity ~

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