Submitted by Jive_Dadson on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 12:40.
The yen/usd and yen/euro pairs are key indicators.
The yen has fallen precipitously after zooming to all-time highs in a short amount of time. The yen has fallen 4.3% vs. the dollar since yesterday! Perhaps the unwinding of the yen carry trade is abated, or it could be due to intervention by the central banks. Whatever the cause, it takes some of the pressure off of the over-leveraged hedge funds. The US market is up. Until this is sorted out, the market will move opposite to the yen.
Submitted by ......... on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 12:22.
I know we all have our bias of purity here about economics. I understand but it seems to me three options to mitigate the crisis exist within the current infrastructure. We can save, we can work, or we can reduce the product of both of those activities (i.e. money). Since the people who can create the money seem to have an orgasm at any chance to create it, that's probably not gonna stop. Although, I believe the next admin won't be as absurdly incompetent and negligent as the current admin. Either way, we all no that's not gonna happen. We can save and we kinda are by default but it's also obviously not enough to mitigate the problem.
However, it seems to me there is a solution in work. We can strengthen the dollar by creating demand for it. I imagine this is where the whole bubble and bust dynamic comes into play. You create a job environment, you "create" a strong and "stable" economy. There is the obvious and probably inevitable option of enabling a "green" economy.
And yes I know all the problems with the current infrastructure and how basically it is completely artificial but it's possible to at least operate in. And if something could be done to mitigate the problem so an absolute collapse of the system doesn't happen, that is a sane thing to do. While the system is "working" there is no reason it can't be changed just the same. It seems however we kinda want a complete collapse so it almost ironically forces change, a dynamic we should not wish for.
Submitted by Jive_Dadson on Tue, 10/28/2008 - 12:36.
Curiously, the recent strength of the dollar and yen has been a symptom of the dire mess that the economic system is in. Funds have borrowed absurd amounts of dollars and yen to gamble with. Now they are forced to pay off those loans. That has driven the dollar higher and the yen to extreme highs. The process seems to be reversing today. The yen and dollar are down, and the stock market is up.
The idea of multiple fiat currencies trading on an exchange was part of the recipe for disaster.
There must have been a huge sell-off in the last couple of minutes because I checked about 5 minutes prior to closing and it was actually about +5.04 or something, then it started to dwindle down, but over -200 at closing. These markets are CRAZY, that's all I know!
I saw this video posted off of Yahoo Finance from TheStreet.com. It features Peter Schiff talking about how the economy's going to get a lot worse if Obama becomes president. It's a good watch: http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/finance?ch=633473&cl=1039870...
*edit* - This is a reply to dcart "currency collapse within 30 days?"
Thanks for posting that link. That is very interesting and disturbing at the same time. I am going to buy gold this week. The most interesting statement in that article was the last one - "Those who have weath and do not have gold will soon be poor." Can anyone who knows more about this elaborate on that article?
Submitted by SIERRAHPBT on Mon, 10/27/2008 - 11:23.
all those prechterites who are waitung to buy at the absolute bottom are going to be mad! metals are already in shortage and soon her you won't be able to buy! I have been saying this for about 9 months now.. now you are starting to see it happen!
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Still shows these people on tv talking about "the fed" as if they were our good friends and bosom buddies. The "fed" is on top of this. The "fed" knows how to handle this. The "fed" the "fed" the "fed".
I even hate the way they say it.
I swear I turn on the the tv just to get some intelligent news and end up turning off before I throw it out the window.
STOCKHOLM (MarketWatch) -- Volvo AB (VOLV-B.SK), the world's second-largest truck maker by sales, Friday reported a 37% drop in third-quarter net profit, missing expectations, and said orders for trucks in Europe screeched to a halt. "In view of the weakened business trend in Europe, we expect the truck market to grow by 0%-5% in 2008," Volvo said in a statement. In North America the market is expected to decline by about 10% this year, compared with 2007." Volvo's order intake for trucks globally plummeted 55% to 32,072 vehicles from 71,572. In Europe, the order intake for trucks fell close to 100%, to 115 vehicles from 41,970.
Submitted by Kevin Tuma on Fri, 10/24/2008 - 20:21.
The malls are probably also going to start closing in January, after a black Christmas season. Frightened people do not buy fluff.
I would look for retail to seriously start falling like a string of dominoes. The Mervyn's department store chain is liquidated, 100% out of business, and that was a $1.2 billion corporate acquisition in 2006. After Christmas I would expect at least a dozen retail giants to go the same way.
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Get ready for local tax/spend authorities to start talking about cutting ems/police/fire. Remind them of non-taxpayer facing areas where cuts can begin.
This guy is starting to talk constitution, eliminating FED and IRS, exposing illuminati and sounds like a Ron Paul guy. Have we connected these two guys together? He is on Fox with a huge audience. Cannot believe they have not shut Cody up. Anyone have comments?
Watch the yen
The yen/usd and yen/euro pairs are key indicators.
The yen has fallen precipitously after zooming to all-time highs in a short amount of time. The yen has fallen 4.3% vs. the dollar since yesterday! Perhaps the unwinding of the yen carry trade is abated, or it could be due to intervention by the central banks. Whatever the cause, it takes some of the pressure off of the over-leveraged hedge funds. The US market is up. Until this is sorted out, the market will move opposite to the yen.
I know we all have our bias
I know we all have our bias of purity here about economics. I understand but it seems to me three options to mitigate the crisis exist within the current infrastructure. We can save, we can work, or we can reduce the product of both of those activities (i.e. money). Since the people who can create the money seem to have an orgasm at any chance to create it, that's probably not gonna stop. Although, I believe the next admin won't be as absurdly incompetent and negligent as the current admin. Either way, we all no that's not gonna happen. We can save and we kinda are by default but it's also obviously not enough to mitigate the problem.
However, it seems to me there is a solution in work. We can strengthen the dollar by creating demand for it. I imagine this is where the whole bubble and bust dynamic comes into play. You create a job environment, you "create" a strong and "stable" economy. There is the obvious and probably inevitable option of enabling a "green" economy.
And yes I know all the problems with the current infrastructure and how basically it is completely artificial but it's possible to at least operate in. And if something could be done to mitigate the problem so an absolute collapse of the system doesn't happen, that is a sane thing to do. While the system is "working" there is no reason it can't be changed just the same. It seems however we kinda want a complete collapse so it almost ironically forces change, a dynamic we should not wish for.
Curiously...
Curiously, the recent strength of the dollar and yen has been a symptom of the dire mess that the economic system is in. Funds have borrowed absurd amounts of dollars and yen to gamble with. Now they are forced to pay off those loans. That has driven the dollar higher and the yen to extreme highs. The process seems to be reversing today. The yen and dollar are down, and the stock market is up.
The idea of multiple fiat currencies trading on an exchange was part of the recipe for disaster.
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Wow!
There must have been a huge sell-off in the last couple of minutes because I checked about 5 minutes prior to closing and it was actually about +5.04 or something, then it started to dwindle down, but over -200 at closing. These markets are CRAZY, that's all I know!
Evidently, the guys from the
Evidently, the guys from the P.P.T. had to answer a phone call or go to the bathroom?
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Expect Things to Get Worse with Obama
I saw this video posted off of Yahoo Finance from TheStreet.com. It features Peter Schiff talking about how the economy's going to get a lot worse if Obama becomes president. It's a good watch:
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/finance?ch=633473&cl=1039870...
Thanks
*edit* - This is a reply to dcart "currency collapse within 30 days?"
Thanks for posting that link. That is very interesting and disturbing at the same time. I am going to buy gold this week. The most interesting statement in that article was the last one - "Those who have weath and do not have gold will soon be poor." Can anyone who knows more about this elaborate on that article?
all those prechterites who
all those prechterites who are waitung to buy at the absolute bottom are going to be mad! metals are already in shortage and soon her you won't be able to buy! I have been saying this for about 9 months now.. now you are starting to see it happen!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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Hey Sierra,
here is an article about the difference between gold and silver, and "gold" and "silver." Interesting read.
http://www.marketskeptics.com/2008/10/us-is-less-than-month-...
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So if we just ignore this
dose that make it any less real?
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Still shows these people on tv talking about "the fed" as if they were our good friends and bosom buddies. The "fed" is on top of this. The "fed" knows how to handle this. The "fed" the "fed" the "fed".
I even hate the way they say it.
I swear I turn on the the tv just to get some intelligent news and end up turning off before I throw it out the window.
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currency collapse withing 30 days?
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article6952.html
I'm expecting it next
I'm expecting it next year...but that's just my hunch.
The brakes are definitely on, under the table, so our predictions can't hold much water.
Although I do think major US retail is going to crash this winter...but that's if it isn't propped up with bailouts.
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STOCKHOLM (MarketWatch) -- Volvo AB (VOLV-B.SK), the world's second-largest truck maker by sales, Friday reported a 37% drop in third-quarter net profit, missing expectations, and said orders for trucks in Europe screeched to a halt. "In view of the weakened business trend in Europe, we expect the truck market to grow by 0%-5% in 2008," Volvo said in a statement. In North America the market is expected to decline by about 10% this year, compared with 2007." Volvo's order intake for trucks globally plummeted 55% to 32,072 vehicles from 71,572. In Europe, the order intake for trucks fell close to 100%, to 115 vehicles from 41,970.
From 41,970 to 115 ! No typo.
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chrylser and GM are indefinately laying off thousands next week
up to 25% of their white collars ?
this is gonna get really bad.
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The malls are probably also
The malls are probably also going to start closing in January, after a black Christmas season. Frightened people do not buy fluff.
I would look for retail to seriously start falling like a string of dominoes. The Mervyn's department store chain is liquidated, 100% out of business, and that was a $1.2 billion corporate acquisition in 2006. After Christmas I would expect at least a dozen retail giants to go the same way.
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local tax revenue
Get ready for local tax/spend authorities to start talking about cutting ems/police/fire. Remind them of non-taxpayer facing areas where cuts can begin.
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they just might have to cancel christmas this year :(
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CNBC with Raymond James analyst
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cody willard on Happy Hour
This guy is starting to talk constitution, eliminating FED and IRS, exposing illuminati and sounds like a Ron Paul guy. Have we connected these two guys together? He is on Fox with a huge audience. Cannot believe they have not shut Cody up. Anyone have comments?
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I love Cody
Royally peeved that brought that other blowhard on the show, though.
what are you seeing...
...is the republican tide turning.
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something is trying hard to keep
the market above -200
what will the DOW do in the last 45 minutes
Will it take another nose dive?
It's just "corrected itself"
It's just "corrected itself" upward 100 points, despite bad economic news on every conceivable front.
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