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Age of Consent

Why is it that so many people in this country are so fired up to get as many Americans as possible signed up for the sex offender lists?

What warped logic dictates to people that an arbitrary number like 16 or 18 can be assigned as the age at which young people are 'allowed' to have sex with other people?

When looking at cases of consensual sex between a person aged 15 and a person aged 30, why can we not leave these people alone if this is what they want, or at the most ostracize them for being 'gross', if that's what you think of it.

The real travesty of these laws is a guy who has a 15 year old girlfriend and has been having sex with her for awhile while he is 17, but on his 18th birthday he is a criminal! This is an excellent demonstration of the absurdity of government control, because one size NEVER fits all.

Even if you disagree with young people having sex with people that are older than they are, how can you justify locking these people into cages and destroying their entire lives over it?

This bugs me at least as much as the immigration thing.

I'd appreciate the opinions of DPers, and would like to hear a logical justification for such thuggery, if one exists.

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Right, because at 18 you are

Right, because at 18 you are magically mature.

at 18 you are old enough to

at 18 you are old enough to work and support yourself and your child that come come about by having sex.. a 14 yearold really can't do that!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

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Unless married....as many of our grandmothers were

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you know what?

Go fuck yourself, dude, you have no CLUE about liberty. I said below that I thought puberty was a reasonable cutoff, and all you can do is call me a pervert. You are probably the real pervert, so there, there's MY ad hominem attack.

You people are so bigoted it makes me sick.

Good-bye assholes, good luck with your liberty, because you aren't going to get it if you won't let your neighbor have it.

Assholes

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

oh please do us a big favor

oh please do us a big favor and leave.. that is the best news I have heard all day! puberty? are you for real.. for most girls thats 11 years old? you are an idiot!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

oh lighten up : )

youre just at the opposite end of the thought spectrum- expect some resistance.

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no...i think he's just pissed about the "no candy at this house"

pumpkin he has to put on his door this year.

Live Free or Diebold

LOL

Very good!

Eliminate the age of consent, and require parental consent???

Until the age of majority is attained, parental rights must be reserved and respected.

A parent can tell their 16 year old not to drive, not to use drugs, not to use alcohol, etc. But this age of consent stuff seems to cut the parents out of the question for matters of sexual activity.

Some parents allow and support their teenagers in their sexual activity. Many don't like the thought of their teenagers being sexually adventurous but know it happens any way. And yet still, many more actually would prefer their children be chaste and try to influence them in that direction.

I do not think anyone should be deciding to do anything adult-ish until they are sufficiently equipped emotionally to behave as an adult. The last thing most teenagers need in their lives is the drama and feelings associated with getting involved sexually. I wish teenagers would learn that there is a time for everything, and when you are an adult, then you can have adult fun.

But that is just my feeling. Obviously that can not be legislated perfectly.

So how about the age of consent be eliminated, but instead a requirement of parental consent be made?

I do not know how this would work in practice, but I do think that parents have some vested interests and their rights must be maintained over their children's.

However, I think that young persons who are ready for marriage at a younger age than the general populace must be allowed to marry younger if they choose to. I am thinking of young persons from societies such as the FLDS or the Amish or other highly-self-sufficient communities whose young people are generally much more mature than the population at large. Such persons should not be forbidden from marrying young just because the general population thinks they should be. Right now, several FLDS men in Texas are being brought up on felony charges because they, in their 20s and 30s, married young women age 15, 16, or 17, with the consent of the parents of the minor and the minor herself. Surely this is a gross injustice, painting these men as sex criminals and felons for the rest of their lives because they married young women who, until a couple years ago, actually could legally have married. This case of the FLDS demonstrates well how arbitrary the laws really can be.

How many of us have grandparents who were in their mid-teens when they married????? Many, I suspect.

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What does that have to do

What does that have to do with this thread? Should we have a law that requires people to get licensed (based on "cognitive development" or whatever other requirements) to have sex if "age of consent" laws were removed? People aren't magically at some arbitrary cognitive development level when they reach 18 years of age.

The problem is there's no one-size-fits-all law that can make any sense on this issue. It leads to many innocent people having their rights violated and being punished for nothing.

REALLY

IT would be called RESPONSIBILITY issues.EVEN the Constitution is a document of regulation on society..
weee

Just reading through this

Just reading through this thread and felt that I MUST correct you on the point you made about the Constitution.

The Constitution has nothing to do with regulating you or society in any way.

The Constitution has EVERYTHING to do with regulating and restraining the powers of the federal government.

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How about you just date someone your own age

Unless you're rich, which in that case the rules do not matter to you so there is no reason in complaining.

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he can't find anyone his own

he can't find anyone his own age.. he's a LOSER! so he goes after little kids who don't know any better!

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

Wow

You always gave me a creep vibe and couldn't quite put my finger on it. You are likely one of those libertarians who wants absolute freedom so he can exploit anyone, everyone and everything. The reason libertarians are looked down on.

I do agree with you, some of this sex offender stuff is excessive. Like an 18 year old boy and 15 year old girl, ok. In many states the amount of age difference is a critical factor, not just one cut off line.

In terms of your other query, with the 30 yr old man and 15 yr old girl. Um, reality shows that 15 year old girls don't have the same brain capacity or life experience as adults. Certainly they are no match for the intelligence and potential manipulative powers of a 30 yr old man. If you like this girl so much, give her a chance to catch up to you chap. It'll only be 3 years. She will be harder to control and push around though, so maybe you'd prefer a blow up doll.

I realize girls sexually develop younger now than ever before, so it's not unreasonable to be physically attracted to girls under 18. However, in the spirit of fair play perhaps you'd let them develop their mind and soul more strongly, before you attempt to chain them in your harem.

In short, these laws exist because the kind of people who would be most inclined to seek out much younger mates are the kind of people who want somebody they can manipulate, abuse, and treat like an object/pet. They would wage psychological warfare on their much weaker minds and prevent them from ever reaching full spirituality maturity. No thanks buddy, we are Ron Paulicans and humanists here, not libertines.

!5 and 30

is a bit sick. The 30 year old has power of presuasion a niave 15 year old may not be mature enough to mentally combat. Almost like "parental"respect. I think that is child molesting. But a 15/16 yr old and someone who just turned 18 thats should be exceptable. Even a 17 yr old and a 21 year old. Every situtation is different. The sad part is the people that make these laws are in thier 40s & 50s probably wacking off to to something titled Barely legal or teen porn. Even if the subjects are supposedly 18 they are made up to look younger or even child like. So thier is alot of sickness out there being encouraged. Society sends mixed messages. It would be nice if sex was the beautiful thing it was meant to be instead of this devious act it has been turned into by the media and industry. Parents should be open with thier children knowing it will ultimately be the individuals decision. Prepare them the best you can. Many of the sex offender cases are brought by angry parents who deal with the loss of thier (or what they peceive to be)childs innoccence. It is much easier to blame someone else than your own child. Their is no explanation or timing of love or hormones for that matter. Everyone is different in that respect. Some control urges better than others. Some do'nt get the urges as soon as others. Just like I do'nt think many people choose to be gay. They are just born that way. How they act on it will vary also.
Rape should be clearly defined that is for sure. Force or restraints
Child molestation also clearly defined.Under 15 by someone over 17?
Somewhere there is a line where it is just a bad decision.
There are always exceptions when none of these apply.

Not sure if I agree with this logic but I do know one thing ...

A community is better equipped at enforcing such laws than a state or nation.

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Best answer so far!

It really is that simple.
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yep I agree with

yep I agree with Rhino!

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What,

are you a child molester? If you can't wait till age of consent then that is what you are. Get real, the world is corrupt enough today without giving free reign to anyone that can convince a child that they want sex, to go and take advantage of them.
Your argument is very much in vogue with NAMBLA. Just keep it in your pants until the kids grow up, kay?

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Another anti-American, anti-Constitutional thread from the "open border lobbyists".

Awe, "The Government Employee Rises Once Again"!

"Spewing Perverted Liberty For All"

There's a billboard near my house that says:

"If You're 18 and She's 15, It's Rape."

I always thought it would be funny to get the next board and put:
"If You're 55 and She's 16, It's Fine."
(16 is the age in MD)

lol.......... "When

lol..........

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

Good point.....

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Lol!

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This is...

A touchy subject. Mainly because people don't want to think about their 15 or 16 year old child with a 30-something year old. Most parents wouldn't freak out too badly about a teenager having sex with another teenager... but what about a twenty-something and a teenager?

Obviously it depends on the maturity level of both people as to whether they can have a successful relationship, but most people don't want to think about even their very mature 16 year old child having sex at all. (But almost all of us started experimenting with sex around or before that time.)

I personally think we need to define one age... one age that makes you an adult... PERIOD. Whether it's 16, 18 or 21, I don't know, but I think at some point YOU need to become responsible for your own actions. I don't understand how they say that you can die for your country, or have sex with a consenting adult... and yet not be able to drink a beer. (Like if you were 19 years old, for example.)

I think 17 or 18 is about the right age, personally. If you're that age you are going to make your own decisions whether your parents like it or not.

One age... BING... you're an adult. Why make it confusing? You can pilot a 3000 pound vehicle flying down the street at 70 miles per hour at age 16... but you aren't mature enough to decide whether or not you should smoke a cigarette? You can die for your country at age 18, but you can't drink a beer?

You could be 50 years old, have tons of life experience to draw upon to make your decision, but you can't decide to smoke a marijuana cigarette?

Our laws are FUBAR.

Liberatarian nitpicking

This is just another question among many for nit-picking libertarians. John Stossel did a special on this issue youtube it, it was a good special just like all of his specials. Like Ron Paul says the law represents the morality of the people. And what is morality, well what people believe to be right or wrong at certain point in time and place right? So the age of consent must be community standards thing. The age of consent doesn't just apply to sex but to agreeing to social or buisness contracts anyone? I believe the age of cosent in Japan is 13, again this is not a major issue compared to foreign policy, the income tax, and the Fed.