I agree with Ron Paul except on the issue of.......
Submitted by rustybuick on Thu, 10/23/2008 - 08:32
I hear this all the time. I would say that if you disagree with Dr. Paul on any issue whether it be abortion, gold, defense, etc. I say there's a flaw in your logic.
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retards running amok
that's very mildly said. America hasn't had a politician like that since Jefferson. Those who disagree are either in power, on welfare or plain and simple retarded
Ignorant or Neck Deep In IT...
There's no grey area.
i agree with everything Ron
i agree with everything Ron Paul says.. except for 9/11 being an inside job (which it was) and a woman's right to choose (which she should have, and Ron Paul says he is against, but would allow).. so that one is kind of a mute point.. seeing as how he would allow it, but at the same time he is against it.
The most important thin to me right now is 9/11 truth, which is an all-encompassing issue.
Jenny
We're on the same page. But at this moment in American history, we have to choose our battles. Civil rights, Iraq war, and minimizing government are more important than abortion rights. As far as I'm concerned, 9/11 will one day be exposed for what it was. A government crime against its own people.
Colchester, New London County, Connecticut
Jenny, a heartfelt and compassionate KOO-KOO for cocoa puffs
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I disagree with Ron Paul on several things.
Fortune Favors the Bold
so you say you gotta know why the world goes 'round
and you can't find the truth in the things you've found
and you're scared shitless 'cause evil abounds
come join us
well I heard you were looking for a place to fit in
full of adherent people with the same objective
a family to cling to and call brethren
come and join us
all we want to do is change your mind
all you need to do is close your eyes
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don't you see all the trouble that most people are in
and that they just want you for their own advantage
but I swear to you we're different from all of them
come join us
I can tell you are lookin' for a way to live
where truth is determined by consensus
full of codified arbitrary directives
come join us
all we want to have is your small mind
turn it into one of our kind
you can go through life adrift and alone
desperate, desolate, on your own
but we're lookin' for a few more stalwart clones
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we've got spite and dedication as a vehement brew
the world hates us, well we hate them too
but you're exempted of course if you
come join us
independent, self-contented, revolutionary
intellectual, brave, strong and scholarly
if you're not one of them, you're us already so
come join us
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Fortune Favors the Bold
That's cool...
...just accept that there are flaws in your logic.
Immigration
On virtually every other issue, Ron Paul supports liberty, the free market and property rights right down the line. Yet on the issue of immigration he takes a decidedly socialist, nativist position.
What is even more scary, though, is that many of his followers go beyond simply opposing (Hispanic) immigration for it's supposedly detrimental effects on the government treasury, to actual loathing of (Hispanic) immigrants (who even Ron Paul recognizes are scapegoats) and name-calling.
Yes Ron is right most of the time. But even a squirell with good eyesight occasionally misses an acorn.
Agreed... and what was MOST sickening is that it was PANDERING
I don't think he really believes any of that claptrap -- just that to get re-elected in TEXAS he has to pander to the anti-immigrant line.
Which (on that issue) makes him a complete hypocrite -- a total tool -- and a bog standard politician.
And I agree that it then feeds into the hate and scapegoating by many of his "supporters" (and makes me NOT want to associate with them).
So then....
...We should follow the Constitution except when it concerns immigration?
I guess you're making my point for me. This is what I mean, the disconnect is yours.
No the disconnect is between RP's belief and his campaign stance
And there is virtually NOTHING in the constitution about immigration.
But for nearly 200 years we had a fairly open immigration policy, and it served this country VERY well.
It is only since the "statists" (fascists & socialists) took over that the immigration "quotas" and other contrivances have been erected. None of the English, German, Scandanavian, nor even the Irish and Italians who came to this country needed to fit into "quotas" or to get "permission" in advance to come here. They were welcomed with fairly open arms.
The "disconnect" is that I don't expect to be 100% in agreement with any candidate -- and while I have been a long time supporter of Ron Paul, I realize the he is still a human, AND a politician (who need to get re-elected from a redneck state) and unlike many, I don't feel any need to "worship the ground he walks on."
In the end, he's just a Congressman... and (unfortunately) a fairly ineffective one at that.
I guess you're still not making it clear...`
...where you disagree with him on immigration.
Disagreeing with logic does not constitute idol worship.
"and (unfortunately) a fairly ineffective one at that."---Are you freakin high?
He has changed the course of human history.
I agree with his BELIEFS... but disagree with his CAMPAIGN.
Because his beliefs and his campaign stance are entirely different.
He has changed the course of human history.
I *wish* I could agree with you... but I am a realist, and IMHO, that remains to be seen... it is entirely likely that 50 years from now, LESS people will remember Ron Paul than the number who currently know who Gustav Stresemann was (and he WAS effective).
Gustav Stresemann was a punk bitch...
Now I have to freakin' google "Gustav Streseman"...Thanks a lot pal!!
But seriously...read the post!
Ah, but you've proved my point.
You have no clue who Mr. Stresemann was... and in the current market climate -- where everyone is talking and reading about what happened in the German Weimar Republic years -- that is just sad.
Oh, and here... go learn about the guy who SOLVED the hyperinflation problem in Germany: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Stresemann
So then..where is it that you disagree with RP?
Lighten up Francis
Hmmm...
I don't want to be in a revolution of brainwashed simpletons that can only regurgitate 1 mans doctrine to the "T". If we do that, we are no better than the Obama Youth Corps. I want to know that the individual standing next to me has a brain and can come to their own conclusions after reviewing the evidence. If we all agreed on everything, then there would be no need to debate. If there is no debate, then our minds would be dulled.
I rather enjoy the spirited debate with someone I agree 80% with like many here on the DP. Debating over that 20% helps us keep each other on our toes, but we must remember what Reagan said, that people you agree with 80% of the time are not your enemy. That way we don't engage in personal attacks on each other, and we keep the quality of the debate healthy.
You're missing the point.
.Where do you disagree with RP?
it can take a while
I must say it took me years of change to 'fully' understand libertarianism, Austrian economics and non-aggression. I'm still a student decades later.
It do take awhile...
...but when you see it, it's as clear as crystal.
Gary Johnson...
I think Gary Johnson has more of Ron Paul's beliefs. That's why for 2012, I would like to see:
Gary Johnson for US President and
Jesse Ventura as his VP
Ron Paul 2012 for Peace
I like what I'm seeing
http://www.angelfire.com/on/GEAR2000/drugreform.html
Never heard of him before.
Hmm.... "Johnson-Ventura" or "Ventura-Johnson"....
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
being a
pacifist.
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"the only thing that keeps the banking system from failing is general ignorance about how the banking system works."
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Paul was in the military
Paul was in the military as a physician, he is for defending America's soil and he also condones reviving "letters of marque and reprisal". Not exactly a lily-livered pacifistic stance.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
He's not
He believes in a strong defense, rather than killing our troops around the world to create more hatred and terrorism to sell more of his buddies war machines, while simultaneously using the Constitution for toilet paper and destroying the value of our currency.
Well Stated
Thanks Rustybuick!
I have a rusty Ford! LOL
" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~
" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~
No problem
I prefer my rusted cars to be pre socialist, American makes.
I wasn't talking about
his anti-war stance. I'm with him all the way on that.
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"the only thing that keeps the banking system from failing is general ignorance about how the banking system works."
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So then....
...what the??????
to answer that question
may lead to an audit, or at least well groomed men in cheap dark suits and sunglasses knocking on my door.
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"the only thing that keeps the banking system from failing is general ignorance about how the banking system works."
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