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Any Ideas on how to 'Witness' to people in the Church?

You know, the ones that think you are a poor, dumb, blind, faithless soul to suggest that we have any part to play in our political process to see that tyranny does not enslave us?

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Christians

I think most people in my Church are detached from reality when it comes to politics however at least I am there.

I don't talk about Ron Paul to people in church because Church is the vehicle for evangelizing Jesus Christ.

However I do have a HUGE RON PAUL STICKER on my truck and I arrive early to church and park where Everyone has no choice but to read

GOOGLE: RON PAUL in 6 inch tall reflective lettering.

A Few people have asked me about it and I tell them to Google him and many of them have done this.

Politics are not for church..... But my Truck is Mine and Everyone is Forced to Read my Ron Paul Propaganda if they can read English!!!! or Know what Google is.

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you have to present them facts

I have friends that are missionaries, pastors, and/ or volunteers at their local church. Some will not spread the word about Ron Paul. Those I find it best to just inform them as much as they will listen about RP. If I can get them to dialogue about RP than they will usually be willing to vote for them. I don't think everyone is called to be as active as we are. An example: I have a friend in Mexico working at an orphanage and he is not sure if he will be back in the states in the next year.

One thing to point out is that if Rudy wins the primary than you can be sure the next leader does not believe that life begins at conception. Ron Paul has stated it does. I hope this helps.

One thing I've mentioned lately

Is the Pat Robertson thing and how lame it looks when you're supposed to be voting with your character.

Here's a guy who is supposed to be a "leader" of Christian folk and he just tossed his character under the bus by aligning himself with the guy he thinks will win. To that I say, "Would you have aligned yourself with Barabbas because you knew the crowd would vote for him?"

Witnessing to Christians

One way to deal with Christians not liking libertarianism is to tout the primacy and effectiveness of God's law over man's law. Some Christians believe that God's biblical laws are like gravity: disobey them and suffer the consequences. Why does God need our help? By sheltering people from the consequences of their actions (see: enabling) often we do them more harm than good.
Also during Christ's temptation Satan showed Christ ALL the kingdoms of the world and offered them to Christ. That (to me) means that Satan is the God of politics. Why fight Satan with a tool he controls?
The Great Commission of Matthew 28 (Christian's mission statement) says NOTHING about using political means to achieve God's ends. "Make disciples of all nations..." Can't do that by enacting laws.
Discipling takes personal involvement. Recently Christians have tried to get government to do what Christ called Christians to do (feed the poor, etc.). I believe the American church died when government took over the primary role in charity from the church. Christians no longer are seen as salt and light in this country.
The biggest challenge for evangelicals to get over to vote for Ron Paul in the 2008 Presidential election is Huckabee (and how Robertson overlooked him for Giuliani is beyond me). Huckabee parrots the evangelical belief that we need a strong daddy-care state kicking butt overseas. Challenge people to read the Sermon on the Mount and then read Huckabee's platform. "Blessed are the peacemakers." Only Ron Paul (okay, Kucinich and Gravel) fits that bill. And those Democrats are way too liberal for most evangelicals to swallow.

You guys could post things like this to http://www.why08.org/

http://www.why08.org/

a lot of Huckabee supporters post there and some of them seem to be open to hearing about good arguments why they should/should not support him.

There needs to be more Christian Ron Paul supporters addressing the Huckabee supporters since most of them only support Huckabee because they think he is christian. They're just lost and confused and need to hear some good arguments.

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Thank You Everyone!

Your comments have really helped me.

Why Christians should be involved in politics

There is in existence, something called the "law of agency." What this law of agency dictates is that whatever the agent/representative does on behalf of the principal, is as though the principal did it him/herself, unless repudiated by the principal. If our "representatives" in government (and I use the term loosely), are liars, thieves and murderers, and the principal (us) does not take steps to correct the situation, the actions are thus ratified, making the principal (us) liars, thieves and murderers as well.
Would an honest Christian want that label? I wouldn't think so, but one may not believe that if one was to take a poll of any given church. Where I live, one pastor Hagee is promoting a pre-emptive attack on Iran, and apparently, Hagee has a very great influence in "Christian" circles. Makes me wonder what Gospel Hagee has been reading, because the only aggression I have found so far concerning Christ, is when He comes again with His angels. Looks to me that He will take care of that stuff Himself later.
In the meantime, I think we are supposed to be saving souls instead of destroying them.
One problem I see with Ron Paul's having a statement of faith, is that George Bush (and other minions of Satan) was/were roaming the countryside campaigning to Evangelicals with the label that he/they were Christians. Apparently, "we" routinely fail to apply the "test" (i.e. "test the spirits"), and I am not talking about mundane things either (such as legalize drugs, and such) when it comes to sizing up politicians. I am talking about how the Scriptures instruct us to test the spirits.
One may wish that all Christians could discern what is the truth from what is a cleverly disguised lie. But most cannot discern what the truth is from nationalistic/patriotic flag-waving projected to distract us from the real issues.
Many politicians will say "I will be tough on crime" and when elected, vote to pass laws making what should not be illegal into a crime, thus creating more criminals who shouldn't be criminals. Then they will vote to pass laws that will make themselves exempt from the repercussions of their own criminal actions. The politicians who become judges routinely disregard the constitutionally mandated safeguards, and themselves engage in criminal activities to line their own pockets.
Many politicians will say "We should increase the war on terrorism" and when elected, they fund the war-machine even more, killing men, women and children in other countries, who had nothing to do with any of this, and the nominal Christians (most church-goers) will believe it is God's will, and support it whole-heartedly (eg. willingly - or, at least, "obediently" pay taxes which will be used to kill others) without thinking the situation through.
Most Christians will agree that Christ came to set us free, then proceed to support politicians who will vote to pass laws having the affect of anything but freedom.
Most Christians will, all too readily, get caught up in the "fear-mongering" messages of the politicians and forget that we should live by faith - which, pretty much, shows us how faithless the majority of us really are.
As has been said, Ron Paul has a few decades in the political realm to show that he is genuine in his beliefs and actions. I am thinking that Ron Paul is more in line with the freedom Christ has given us than any of the other pretenders who want to lord it over the rest of us, and keep us in line.

I can think of one time

when Messiah got very angry and aggressive. When he took a whip of cords and drove the money changers from the Temple. If we are to restore that Temple of written law and justice that WAS the hallmark of our Constitution, then we must drive the money changers (Federal Reserve, IRS) from that Temple.

Go to church with them on a

Go to church with them on a sunday, talk to them about god and faith afterwards in a meaningful manner. Slowly segue into a how Ron Paul is a man of faith... Wash, rinse, repeat.

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It has been my experience that the ONE issue that trumps...

the war in Iraq among the religious right is abortion. What has worked for me: I simply tell them that 70% of this country is against the war in Iraq, thus we know with certainty a candidate against this war will win the Presidency next fall. So, you can have Hillary nominate the next two (at least) justices to the Supreme Court, or you can have Ron Paul make those nominations. Your call.

The bottom line is, the religious right will trade bringing the troops home from Iraq for a candidate who will nominate judges that will overturn Roe v. Wade. Make them realize they have no other choice but to make this trade or lose the abortion battle for good.

Nat'l Right to Life set to endorse Fred

Just saw on Foxnews.com that the Nat'l Right to Life is set to endorse Fred Thompson. I've been a supporter for years and I just emailed them to question their sanity in doing so, and threaten to remove my financial support. I'm no brainiac in the world of polls and politics, but I'm sure it's politically motivated. Fred Thompson? You gotta be kiddin' me. Ron Paul has a stellar record when it comes to pro-life issues.

Exactly, this is a good way to go - since the

'top two' of the ''top tier'' (Romney & giuliani) have both flip-flopped on the abortion issue. And McCain (bless him for his service to our country) is weak on Immigration. Thompson has sunk and Huck is for Huck.

Overall - it's all about the Constitution and the only candidate who IS all about the Constitution is Paul.

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This is what I did yesterday and it had a very positive effect

Print out this speech by Pastor Chuck Baldwin
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin410.htm
CHRISTIANS SHOULD SUPPORT CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT

It is not a 'direct push' for Ron Paul (which helps because some people will listen if you're not shoving the candidate in their face) - but it very cleverly and humbly (and rightly) suggests that he as a Presidential candidate is our only hope during this election to save the Constitution. It describes exactly why we need a candidate such as Ron Paul - right now! It is a powerful speech and it WILL get your brethren's attention.

I got a group together last night at my house, sat everyone around my living room, and read the speech to them. Gripping stuff! Everyone ''got it'' and many of them finally understand what I've been on about for the last several months. You could print out a copy for each person as well. I'll be doing this same thing next week. Time is running out, we've got to do things like this now.

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someone sent this

Someone sent this to me it is a very positive article: The title was
"Why do Evangelicals Ignore Ron Paul" it is written by:
Pastor Chuck Baldwin and it was written Feb. 27, 2007 and it was at
www.raidersnewsnetwork.com . The article is very well written and maybe
if they see someone endorsing him that would open the door for them to consider Dr. Paul. Hope this helps. Sorry, I don't know how to make a direct link to the page.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

Flyer Cars in the Parking Lots.

I went out last week and put a copy of a letter written by Ron Paul Called "Statement of Faith"
along with a slim jim on the windshields of cars in parking lots at 3 churches. I picked Catholic Churches because I think that Ron Paul strikes a chord with pro life Catholics who are generaly tollorant in other areas. And cross reference what John Paul and Ron Paul have to say and they are almost 2 peas in a pod with respect to War and Life.
I think Christians should rally around Dr. Pauls drug pollicy too because it is forgiving and treats it as a medical condition.

Suggestions

I'm a Christian and believe it or not, most Christians I know are very open to engaging in discussion about current events as we feel a moral obligation to use our vote in electing the best candidate. For me, that's been Ron Paul since before he was running! I also see Christians as a key voting block as the majority are registered Republicans and in most states primaries are closed. With the early move up date for Repub registration I don't think we can overlook the need to reach out to Christians as part of a successful strategy.

I've been talking to my brothers & sisters about Dr. Paul's honesty & integrity as a starting point. We're fortunate in that he has a 30 year track record of government service to back up what he's saying now. RP delivers on his promises!

Right now in a lot of evangelic churches there remains support for the war in that "Islamofacisim" is supposedly ushering in the "end times." Its basic fear tactics which I don't buy. Primarily because war is not what Christ taught. I carry around copies of Dr. Paul's statement of faith which nicely summaries not only his faith in Christ but also the "just war" philosophy espoused by the Augustine and upheld by other giants in church history. It can be a real eye-opener for a Christian. http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm

It also helps for them to know that RP was an OBGYN delivering 4,000 babies and has never waivered from being pro-life; refer them to past legislation that he sposnored & fought for: HR 1094 defining life as beginning at conception, HR 300, which would negate Roe v Wade and HR 1095 which prevents federal funds for population control. The Life & Liberty slimjims are a great tool!

If you have the time do a little Bible reading. Whenever government forbids what God requires or requires what God forbids, Christians are obligated to act in civil disobediance: Acts 4:18-31 and 5:17-32. It doesn't take much to point out the wasteful, over reaching, corrupt decision making going on today! The sections point out that Christians must act as "citizens" rather than the "church". We don't have to be sheeple! As you put some good info into their hands urge them to pray about their decision: 1 Timothy 2:1-4 and 1 Peter 2:13-14.

Hope this helps! I pray for Dr. Paul and this campaign everyday!

Huh?

I don't quite get the post. I know few Christians who think that.

But taking the title at face value, I will try and tackle the question.

First, it is important to know that Christians are all over the map, so there's no one size fits all strategy. Plus, there are plenty of people who say they are Christians but don't live as though it means anything to their life and that typically results in a night and day difference in terms of what they care about.

But I am going to assume that you are trying to reach out to someone who believes in Christ and thinks that that matters to how they live and tries to let that shape how they approach things. If that is the case, here's what I'd suggest.

1) Make sure they know he is a Christian. I realize that the ideas should be enough and that a good man shouldn't have to be a Christian to receive a Christian's support. But the fact is that it makes a big difference to a lot of people. Well, if you are talking to someone for whom that makes a difference, then let them know that Dr. Paul is a Christian.

2) Make sure they know he is pro-life. There are certainly plenty of Christians that are pro-choice (sadly in my view), but I think it is safe to say that you will find more that are pro-life. Make sure they know that this isn't lip service that the Dr. pays to this issue and that it is reinforced by the fact that he's a doctor.

3) The war is a tricky issue. Frankly, it saddens to see how many conservative Christians fail to think this one through and blindly support the war. Still, for many, this is actually where the division with the Republican party has started to take root, particularly amongst conservative Catholics. Just war doctrine is a Christian doctrine, and it is abundantly clear it wasn't met for Iraq. You can have some success showing that Dr. Paul takes a very pro-peace and morally serious approach to the question of war.

4) Finally, you have to confront the libertarian issue. You need to keep in mind that there are negative connotations that that label carries for many Christians. They see it as someone who is interested in license not liberty on many occassions and lacking compassion. I would present Dr. Paul's convictions in a bit different light, all of them I think quite true and not spin at all. First, I'd point to fiscal responsibility. Second, I would point to his deference to the constitution and his desire for limited government as an act of humility -- a recognition that there are limits to what man can solve (especially through government) and a humility to not assume that we are smarter than the founders and what they thought was best. Finally, I'd emphasize compassion. Point out how Dr. Paul is a realist and plans to make sure there is a transition so that those dependent on the government are not left in the cold.

Some thoughts.

On the war issue:

Straight from Wikipedia:
"In order to prevent Congress from yielding its Constitutional authority to declare war to the executive branch, which does not Constitutionally hold that power, Paul introduced legislation in October 2002 giving Congress the opportunity to declare war on Iraq, rather than merely "authorizing" the president to deploy forces without a declaration of war. He said he would not vote for his own bill, but if his fellow members of Congress wished to go to war in Iraq, they should follow the Constitution and declare war."

Bringing up the fact that Ron Paul actually tried to get Congress to discuss/declare the war seems to be a pretty big point to show pro-Iraq War people. I know a lot of Christians that at least pay lip-service to the Constitution, and pointing out something like this can really get them thinking. And thinking people tend to gravitate toward Paul. ;)

Interesting

I was in the middle of replying at the same time you werte Jack. Its amazing to me we said essentially the same thing, only you wrote it much more succinctly than I. Nicely done!

I noticed that too

I think people underestimate just how many Christians have become disenchanted with both parties and the usual candidates. The Bush admin's policies on torture are just the latest wedge in the poorly thought out link between Republicans and Christians. Many are realizing that it isn't a good idea to be loyal to a party over ideas, because you tend to get taken for granted if they don't think there's any chance you are going to go anywhere.

I'm not sure if this is the election cycle where it will happen, but I think we are at a possible turning point in how Christians vote. If it ends up being Rudy and Hillary I think you will see a lot of Christians stay home in significant numbers on election day.

That's why I think Ron Paul has a much better shot than most think. But you just have to get people over that mentality that their vote's value is tied in with predicting the outcome of the election. Too many behave like that and these are the people who despite all their complaining about the "front-runners", they are still going to vote for them out of peer pressure, fear, etc. But if you can get them past that, look out! They really will agree with a lot of what Dr. Paul stands for!