Closed Borders, Not turning into a Good Thing for the Constitution
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Find-Freedom.htm?At=040066&Fr...
Watch video's here of Check points well inside the USA -- these 100 miles into Arizona:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyokKFIecIo&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV0g5B1blqk&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msFEj-UBU9Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPOuj-WzAoA
and Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrFRObbSDDo and here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHTtal_EK0A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyokKFIecIo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLpSY8d3gRc&feature=channel
ACLU highlights 'Constitution-Free Zone' 100 miles from border
Nick Juliano
Published: Wednesday October 22, 2008
This past summer, Craig Johnson joined dozens of other activists in a San Diego-area park to protest the expansion of a fence along the US-Mexico border.
An associate professor at Point Loma Nazarene University, Johnson says he took his two children, aged 8 and 10, to Border Field State Park in Imperial Beach in June. Scores of border patrol agents were on the scene, Johnson said, and some were recording license plate numbers from protesters' cars parked a more than a mile away from the border.
It seems that Johnson's participation in the anti-fence demonstration may have landed him on a government watch list that has inhibited his ability to travel freely between the US and Mexico. A professor of Music, Johnson said he traveled to Tijuana about a week after the protest; upon returning to the US, Johnson says he was handcuffed and arrested by customs agents after a listing associated with his name pegged him as armed and dangerous.
"I was thoroughly and aggressively searched. ... Every inch and crack and crevice of my body was poked and prodded," Johnson said. "I was in complete bewilderment of what was going on; I felt violated and frankly was embarrassed."
Prior to that visit, Johnson said he had traveled regularly between the US and Mexico for a variety of reasons without facing any harassment. After the June visit, Johnson said he did not cross the border again until October, when he decided to go simply to see whether he could re-enter the country easily. He was subjected to the same harassment.
"It took me four months to return to Mexico," he said. "Not because I'm afraid of traveling outside my own country, but rather because I'm afraid of returning home."
Johnson spoke Wednesday at a gathering organized by the American Civil Liberties Union, which is highlighting the extent to which the Department of Homeland Security is expanding the authority it claims at US border crossings to infringe upon Americans rights.
The ACLU says a "Constitution-free zone" exists within 100 miles of the US border, where DHS claims the authority to stop, search and detain anyone for any reason. Nearly two-thirds of the US population lives within 100 miles of the border, according to the ACLU, and the border zone encompasses scores of major metropolitan areas and even entire states.
Customs and Border Patrol, a component of DHS, was authorized by Congress to operate within a "reasonable" distance of the border, and that distance has been set at 100 miles in regulations governing CBP, the ACLU says. The authorization has been in place for decades, but complaints about abuses of the extended border zone began to ramp up as CBP was expanded and folded into DHS after 9/11.
Also of concern, according to the group, is the border patrol's use of massive databases and watch lists to screen travelers. Much remains unknown about how those lists are compiled and it is exceedingly difficult for a person to be removed from the list once he or she is added to it.
ACLU affiliates around the country have fielded dozens of calls from people claiming they were harassed by border agents, and the group believes there are untold numbers of other victims who are afraid to come forward.
No lawsuits have yet been filed against DHS or CBP, but the ACLU says its attorneys in border states are preparing cases.
"Part of what we're trying to do is to draw our own line in the sand here and say this has to stop," Barry Steinhardt, director of the ACLU's Technology and Liberty Program, said Wednesday. "We cannot determine two-thirds of America as a Constitution free zone."
DHS 33 "interior checkpoints" that are monitored by the border patrol, according to a 2005 Government Accountability Office report. The ACLU assumes more checkpoints have been established since then, and group affiliates have complained about checkpoints as far as 93 miles from the border.
ACLU lobbyists are working with members of Congress to rein in DHS's border authority. Caroline Fredrickson, the group's chief legislative counsel, praised a measure introduced by Sen. Russ Feingold and others to ban suspicionless laptop searches at the border.
"We need to restore the Constitution to the Constitution-free zone," Fredrickson said.
Wednesday's event also featured a video testimonial from Vince Peppard, another San Diegoan who faced trouble from border agents. Peppard said he was stopped at least 20 miles inside the border on a return trip from Mexico. He refused to open his trunk "on a matter of principle" and was detained for about 30 minutes.
"I didn't feel like I was in the United States," he says. "I felt like I was in some kind of police state."





















Preparing for Border War
Border Patrol Takes Lead in U.S. Defense
http://www.americanpatrol.com/_WEB2008/081030.html
Border Patrol ready if Mexican drug violence enters U.S.
http://www.svherald.com/articles/2008/10/29/news/doc4907fc08...
Statue of Liberty....
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. - Engrved on Statue of Liberty"
We forgot what we stood for. It doesn't say open borders, we want to remain the land of laws. But we have made laws unreasonable and ones that discourage good people from coming.
I'm not saying that the way we used to do things can work these days ( give me your name - you are in....like it used to happen on Ellis Island) but we have got to get a grip on our feelings and assumptions of what the immigrants stand for. All of them that I know want this country to be great, to be the greatest forever. And we have to stop suspecting all immigrants of somehow trying to bring this country down because of 19 highjackers.
Some more info on the statue
Some more info on the statue of liberty, its not engraved into the statue itself. Link below
http://www.illegalaliens.us/statueofliberty.htm
I don't think anyone is trying to say, stop all immigration forever, but most Americans want illegal immigration stopped, and a limited number of legal immigrants per year. Check out Ron Paul's plan
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst091106.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PQdDjvDsVM
Naturalization is the Constitutional way.
"Congress shall have the power...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.."
Article I Section 8, US Constitution
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Any proactive use of police
Any proactive use of police powers by the deranged neocon/socialists at this stage is a bad thing.
That doesn't mean that there is anything even remotely constitutional about open borders for illegal immigrants. Without borders you have no Law, hence no constitutional republic. That's why the Founders opposed unrestricted immigration.
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Say what?
KT wrote, "anything even remotely constitutional about open borders".... As if... please show me where in the Constitution it says we have Closed Borders.
Indeed, the Constitution is all about Open Borders...so where the founding fathers who wanted commerce with all nations. And by commerce, they meant goods and people.
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
I didn't say closed borders
I didn't say closed borders were constitutional; I said open borders policy illegal immigration is not constitutional.
Trade and commerce are irrelevant to the issue.
The Founders favored controlled, legal immigration, and so do I.
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What about the fact that the
What about the fact that the United States must protect every state from invasion? It doesn't specify that the invasion must be armed or well organized. Illegal immigration on such a massive scale could be considered an invasion. And remember, Ron Paul more or less said he feels like the out of control illegal immigration thats going on, it can be considered an invasion, and favors using military to guard the borders.
Section 4 - Republican government
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
Constitution-Free Zone The
Constitution-Free Zone
The ACLU, which has historically been on the wrong side of 95% of all issues, has come down on the right side of a biggee with this one. The goverment is taking extraordinarily warrantless search and seizure rights with this one. Read the story and see the map right on the ACLU website. http://www.aclu.org/privacy/spying/areyoulivinginaconstituti...
Pat
BOHICA!!
Pat
BOHICA!!
This is not a problem so
This is not a problem so much with having borders and border patrol, which Ron Paul is in favor of, this is a problem with president Bush and those under him(like Michael Chertoff)allowing(or ordering might be a better word) stuff like this to happen.
If someone like Ron Paul was president, we'd have secure borders, and illegal immigration would be back under control, but things would not be taken too far or get out of hand. Ron Paul would never do stuff like Bush is doing. So, just because we have a bad president who is responsible for this kind of stuff, it's not a good argument for non-enforcement of illegal immigration laws and no longer patrolling our own borders.
And also, I don't like the ACLU's positions on matters pertaining to illegal immigration. They seem to do eveything they can to hinder enforcement efforts on illegal immigration, they almost always side with organizations like MALDEF, LULAC and La Raza who try to stifle enforcement of laws against illegal immigration, and are pro-amnesty for illegal aliens. We all know the president(and past presidents)are not adequately enforcing laws against illegal immigration, state and local governments all over the country are sick of inadequate federal enforcement, so they have started passing laws of their own to keep illegal immigrants out and cause the ones that are there to leave on their own. This has worked to some degree in states like Oklahoma, Arizona and Georgia, but the ACLU is almost always attacking any legislation the states pass to stop illegal immigration, making some states give up altogether because they don't want extensive legal battles and high costs that come with it. From all I have seen and read, the ACLU is pro-illegal immigration. Most Ron Paul supporters agree with Ron Paul's positions on illegal immigration, secure borders and enforcement of laws against illegal immigration and no amnesty for illegal aliens. What Ron Paul believes on this issue is the opposite of what the ACLU believes, and I'll side with Ron Paul over the ACLU any day because he's got far more credibility in my book.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43812
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/title----mcc...
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/10/08/az-new-study-...
http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/006322.html
http://thebrassmonkeyblog.net/aclu-and-prldefterrorist-organ...
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=7E014D49...