Uh Oh, the quality of the Daily Paul has gone off the Deep End...
Before I get to the point of this thread, I want to take the time to bump this thread:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/70515
BJ Lawson has called for a last minute money bomb. They are out of funds, and need more for a last minute mailer, more constitutions to hand out to voters at the polls, and money for ads to combat the negative attack ads from David Price.
If you can spare anything, even if it's just $5-10, please donate.
The above thread/link is waaayyyy more important than this one. I'm disappointed that this post keeps getting discussed, when a legitimate one like the above is ignored.
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Now to the original post:
Wow, so, I respect the right for people to believe what they want, but apparently, other people here, people who I thought were for liberty, don't.
Instead, it seems that if you do not unconditionally accept and support 9/11 truth theories, you are labeled a moron, "gay," a "danger to yourself and your children," etc.
So, I don't know when the Daily Paul abandoned reason, but I have noticed a steady decline in quality over the last few months. Additionally, it's as if nobody here really practices the philosophy of liberty in their own life, or really accepts/believes it. If they did, we wouldn't have people, who are supposed to be on the same side, attacking people over the difference of opinion of irrelevant/unrelated topics. So, since so many have apparently learned nothing, here's a refresher course:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I
Sometimes, people fall back asleep I guess.
Additionally, I would just like to say, I don't believe the government is competent enough to pull off a huge conspiracy like 9/11, without something being leaked, someone refusing, etc. Do you honestly believe, there are people at all levels, who knew, and enthusiastically and willingly chose to kill their fellow citizens and themselves?
I agree, there are some sketchy facts about 9/11, but that doesn't mean that the government did it. If I've learned anything, it's that government can't do anything. I would also add that I do support new investigations.
I think 9/11 truth theories damage and disregard our arguments for a non-interventionist foreign policy. Under that belief, we hold that 9/11 was the result of blow-back from bad, American interventionist actions. Osama bin Laden admitted and explained his actions (and I don't want to hear the baseless arguments that bin Laden works for the CIA). I'm sorry, but all that 9/11 truth has given is speculation, no PROOF. The "evidence" they provide leads only to more split speculation. Proof would be witnesses, testimony, physical documents, e-mails, plans, documented conversations, and scientific evidence that is accepted by the MAJORITY of the scientific community. Now, I'm not saying 9/11 wasn't an inside job.... it certainly could have been. But with the evidence that has been gathered so far, I think that conclusion is too much of a jump, and I'm disappointed to see people here attack others over this.
Lastly, I would just remind everyone that Ron Paul also does not accept 9/11 truth theories. Does that mean he's also a moron?
And, before you post any comments, I would remind you, this thread is not intended to discuss the validity of 9/11 truth theories. It is not intended to continue to insult people on either side of that debate. It is meant to discuss the decline in quality, and the rise of rudeness.
LOL
Its really simple, if you want to lie to people do it else where. Anytime lies, deflections, or disinformation is posted we will answer it and always win because truth can not be disproven.
If you dont want to see as many threads then my suggestion to all the shills and disinfo agents is to stop trying to spread lies.
Me Im fine with it the more you struggle against the truth the more people take enough interest to look into it themselves. When that happens 2 types of people come away. The blissfully ignorant who simply can not accept the truth as it conflicts with their reality, which is bound to happen often due to the state of our nation, and the educated which means our numbers grow strongers and the cycle starts again.
You see we will never stop, never give up or in till the truth is as plain to all as the sky is blue.
But I invite you to fuel our effort by trying to fool others, we lose some who are hopelessyly ignorant or willfully so, but we game 10 for each loss.
Mathmatics is great isnt it!!
The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare
The quality is still here...
....But the DP is a clearing house for thoughts and ideas, so, we have to take the nuts along with everyone else and do our best to steer the conversation.
I mean, come on, when I want to know the latest on anything I come here not LRC.
I think your analysis is correct
The "bad" comes with the "good" in our "clearing house" called the DP!
Uh oh
I see this thread since nearly three days on the 'Active Forum Topics'. Have we grown a bit masochistic recently?
Don't blame the rest of the world.We did vote for Ron Paul!
Freedom brings People together
Ron Paul was right
Agreed
The Daily Paul is a great forum, but there is definitely an excess of hate and spite by a few, who contribute little more than slander towards anyone who disagrees with their own personal opinion.
Hopefully they'll either learn to stop, or go practice their authoritarian approach elsewhere.
People should be expressing our own ideas, rather than relentlessly insulting others'.
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Enjoy www.freetalklive.com
Well then.. For all you who still think
That parts of the government weren't complicit. please explain this
Can jet fuel really demolish steel buildings?
Can 24,000 gallons of jet fuel (kerosene) have enough potential energy to:
- Weaken 800,000 tonnes of steel in around 10 seconds of free-fall. Steel melts at temperatures above 1532 C (2790 F). It is a fact
that fuel-air fires only burn between 233-300 C (metal cannot get
hotter than the temperature of its heat source, fire, and steel
can distribute heat to neighbouring steel structures. Heat and
temperature "flows" from hotter to colder bodies, so the steel
could never get hotter than 250 C in reality, in still air fire.
- Convert all the solid concrete floor slabs into nothing but
fine powder dust, with no pancaking floors left sitting on top of
each other?
- Execute PERFECT straight-down, symmetrical implosions?
- Create giant pools of molten metal, which stayed red to yellow
hot (600 C to 1100 C) for up to 6-weeks after 9/11, despite most
of the jet fuel being consumed in the fireball explosions when
the planes impacted the buildings?
More molten metal videos seen from several different cameras:
http://video.google.com/v...
If kerosene (jet fuel) burning in air can really do all this damage,
then why do controlled demolition engineers bother spending weeks to
carefully prepare high-rise buildings with explosive charges and
steel cutting charges when they can just use a few hundred litres
of kerosene?
Why do foundrymen and materials engineers have to use expensive
induction furnaces, blast furnaces or arc furnaces to melt steel,
if they can melt steel with some kerosene (jet fuel) which is much
cheaper? Think about it!
Why is it that engineers design motorcycle and car engine pistons
and cylinders using iron and alloy steel, if these components are
constantly exposed to FIRE AND COMBUSTIONS? Why is it that our
cooking pots, frying pans and Barbeque hot plates are made out of
steel, and have you noticed any of these melting or sagging due to
direct exposure to gas flames or air fires? Try it! See if you
can get liquid molten iron from a jet-fuel air fire! See if you
can even melt a piece of aluminium foil (melting point 650 C) in an
air fire, using as much fuel as you like, for as long as you like.
Try it! Try to melt aluminium foil with your gas stove or by using
a kerosene (jet fuel) air fire! HINT:
Jet engines are combustion engines made with steel blades
Jet engines are combustion engines that BURN kerosene, and YES, the
turbine blades and engine parts themselves are made out of steel,
with very similar melting properties to the steel used on the WTC
buildings. (melts at 1532 C)
Engineers know that steel is still strong up to 1200 C, and jet
fuel air-fire combustions do not significantly weaken steel. Even
up to 650 C, steel is still at half of its full strength, so there
is no way you can get those giant buildings to collapse at the speed
of free-fall (as if the lower materials are just as weak as air)...
This is scientifically impossible and cannot be performed
experimentally, even under controlled conditions. Try it yourself!
If you
doubt what I am saying, run the above tests for yourself and try to
create molten steel, or powderised concrete, just from kerosene air
fire alone.
Do your own research:
http://www.truth911.net
http://www.911research.co...
http://www.stj911.org
http://www.physics911.net
Name ONE steel-frame building that
caught on fire and collapsed all the way
down to the ground levels!... Out of the
dozens of skyscraper fires in the last
100 years, JUST NAME ONE TALL
STEEL BUILDING that was TOTALLY
destroyed, due to fire and gravity alone.
Then you have an example to prove that
WTC 7, a building that was not hit by
any plane, could collapse completely
about 7 hours after the Twin Towers fell.
Just name ONE steel building that has
collapsed due to fire before or after 9/11
and you have your precedent that the
official explanation of fire melting steel,
and pulverising concrete, is possible...
Try to get powderised concrete just by
burning it with jet fuel fire! Go on!
Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/
Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/
Here are links that have explanations to your claims.
"10 seconds of free-fall"
South Tower 15.28 seconds
North Tower 22.02 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLShZOvxVe4
"Steel melts at temperatures above 1532 C (2790 F). It is a fact
that fuel-air fires only burn between 233-300 C (metal cannot get
hotter than the temperature of its heat source, fire, and steel
can distribute heat to neighbouring steel structures. Heat and
temperature "flows" from hotter to colder bodies, so the steel
could never get hotter than 250 C in reality, in still air fire."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMZ-nkYr46w
"Convert all the solid concrete floor slabs into nothing but
fine powder dust, with no pancaking floors left sitting on top of
each other?"
http://www.911myths.com/html/pulverised_concrete.html
***"There was a 3 to 4 inch layer of concrete on the average floor. There were reinforced concrete floors in the core as well. Contrary to what some conspiracy theorists say, the core walls were NOT concrete reinforced. The columns in the core were also not incased in concrete. This was an error made by the BBC which grew a life of its own. Here is the article. Note the date it was created, Sept. 13, 2001, just 2 das after the collapse."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1540044.stm
http://www.debunking911.com/towers.htm
***Concrete removal
"Since the end of WWII builders designed most of the concrete from the modern high-rise constriction. First concrete they eliminated was the stone exterior wall. They replace them with the “curtain walls of glass, sheet steel, or plastics. This curtain wall acted as a lightweight skin to enclose the structure from the outside elements. Next the 8-inch thick concrete floors went. They were replaced with a combination of 2 or 3 inches of concrete on top of thin corrugated steel sheets. Next the masonry enclosure for stairs and elevators were replaced with several layers of sheet rock. Then the masonry smoke proof tower was eliminated in the 1968 building code. It contained too much concrete weight and took up valuable floor space. Then the solid steel beam was replace by the steel truss. And finally the concrete and brick encasement of steel columns girders and floor supports was eliminated. A lightweight spray-on coating of asbestos or mineral fiber was sprayed over the steel. This coating provided fireproofing. After asbestos was discovered hazardous vermiculite or volcanic rock ash substance was used as a spray-on coating for steel. Outside of the foundation walls and a thin 2 or 3 inches of floors surface, concrete has almost been eliminated from high-rise office building construction. If you look at the WTC rubble at ground zero you see very little concrete and lots of twisted steel."
http://www.lafire.com/famous_fires/2001-0911_WTC/2002-0500_L...
"Create giant pools of molten metal, which stayed red to yellow
hot (600 C to 1100 C) for up to 6-weeks after 9/11, despite most
of the jet fuel being consumed in the fireball explosions when
the planes impacted the buildings?
More molten metal videos seen from several different cameras:
http://video.google.com/v..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YXzjAKJQOg&feature=related
http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm
(bottom half of page)
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html
I will skip over a few of your paragraphs, Oruval, since the links and videos I provided address your statements.
"Name ONE steel-frame building that
caught on fire and collapsed all the way
down to the ground levels!... Out of the
dozens of skyscraper fires in the last
100 years, JUST NAME ONE TALL
STEEL BUILDING that was TOTALLY
destroyed, due to fire and gravity alone."
"Just name ONE steel building that has
collapsed due to fire before or after 9/11
and you have your precedent that the
official explanation of fire melting steel,
and pulverising concrete, is possible..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MRSr1MnFuk
http://www.debunking911.com/firsttime.htm
"Then you have an example to prove that
WTC 7, a building that was not hit by
any plane, could collapse completely
about 7 hours after the Twin Towers fell."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8&feature=related
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_fire.html
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIdQQ2hubfc&feature=related
"Try to get powderised concrete just by
burning it with jet fuel fire! Go on!"
Who claimed that the concrete was powderised(sic) by burning it with jet fuel fire?? The answer: NO ONE.
This one is just for you Oruval. It addresses the claim, the one you assert constantly on DP, that the portions of the Twin Towers above the impact zones should have toppled over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Mhhvl7vWk&feature=related
You're on fire!
(no pun intended)
NWO for Dummies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLPG_HplrA
"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy
"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."
just dont be dissin' the 17 foot pet shark in Australia thread
that ones pretty cool.
Live Free or Diebold
This site went to hell way
This site went to hell way back when the site owner posted shit that showed he did not know what the hell was going on!!!!
People buy guns and ammo and food, these people here will be cannon fodder because they only go half way and think protesting is going to help, lol. You all want peace and think you will control others by saying that, when the shooting starts will you shoot or be shot, will you hope for the government to save you?
Peacefull revolution is not an option as they laugh at you when you say peace because to them peace is what they want, you all dead so they can live in peace.
If you do not have at least 5 different cal. weapons and 10,000 rounds for each you will not even make it past the first round, to me all you peacefull types are looking pretty good, I may be wearing your shoes and living in your house soon as you lay dead in the garage. fucking wake up!!!
You will not have a choice soon
Paul.
Maybe "They" will realize you are just an angry, racist, atheist who is depressed and a lonely soul with personal problems and you "wouldn't ever really kill anyone".
OR THEY JUST COME GET YOU FIRST.
You are claiming some pretty serious stuff on this site and I fear for your family and especially your 2 beautiful boys. They won't understand, trust me.
You have a lot to lose and you act like you don't.
Just my too sense.
wtf are you talking about,
wtf are you talking about, you know nothing, my 2 boys, you fear for me?angry depressed atheist racist? Haha your a disinfo agent or you are just in denial. Any racist involved in my unit will get a bullet in the head, we need everyone to get this job done. If you think you are gonna send a black or an indian etc. to get killed just because of their race you will soon have your brains splattered.
Do not pretend you know me, you may get away with pretending things are going to shape up by themselves, but that crap does not work with me.
I didn't buy all the guns and ammo for nothing, look at all the ammo shortages atm, It is not only me, blackwater is out there trying to buy up the ammo before we can get it. Why would they do that?
I will be at the front lines in this war when it starts, did you notice I said when and not if? It will start!!!
I apologize.
They will probably be right when the make you disappear.
Hey, I expect the shit to hit the fan. You are just outting yourself too soon. Keep talking, they will get enough. You are being watched. Don't kid yourself, the internet is NOT anonymous.
I wish you no harm, I want you and the prepared to be ready, not cleaned up.
And those personal comments are only representative of your own expressions in the "anonymous" sea we call the internet.
I will leave you to your rants, and bother you no more. Don't say you weren't warned though.
You will be taken out in seconds
A violent revolution is what "they" hope for. It will be used to fracture groups and pit one side against the other. They want people like you to start "shooting". "They" count on it. Violence is one of their best tools. Watch what happens when a "patriot" kills one soldier or police officer. Watch how quickly the "war" starts. They need us to be violent.
Hey ....
You can't say that.
Now I agree with you on something.
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
They need people like you to
They need people like you to think as you do, that is how we got into this mess in the first place, again, it does not matter what you think. You are not in control of others. You would burry your guns? I will go in the first round as I would rather die than live in this hell. If anyone starts shooting I will be there as soon as I can to help them, if they are dead then so be it, I will take out as many as I can before I am dead. I welcome the so feared Marshall law and them trying to take us off to camps, bring it on!!!
I've been ready for 20 years, not like the others that have just woke up to this crap. They will not kill me in seconds, I will kill them in seconds, microwave weapons can be used by both sides.
You will simply help start the slaughter
You'll be taken out at 500 yards. Bang. Violence is a fools game.
Fedor get your
young dumb ass back over on your zietgiest threads.
good!! let's get it
good!! let's get it started, I do not live in fear like you do.
Give them hell!
I'm with you. Gutless wimps will do nothing to save this nation.
I want to win
Fear: False Evidence Appearing Real
Our founding fathers were tricked. The war never ended. "They" just retreated and came back through the back door. That is not victory. We need to do more than destroy our country with violence.
Violence created our country
Suggest you review your history Fedor. It's about to happen again, I fear.
NWO for Dummies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLPG_HplrA
"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy
"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."
you're right and look where it got us
So lets do it all again? Pretty stupid.
They " The founders" let
They " The founders" let them walk away, we can not let them walk away this time. The founders were masons in the first place. How deep down the rabbit hole do you wanna go?
As deep as it goes
Please share whatever info on the "rabbit hole" that you have.
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Secret Societies and the REAL driving force behind the New World Order
www.dailypaul.com/node/59200
Political Ponerology and Psychopaths
www.dailypaul.com/node/53506
Two-seed theory: The origins of the psychopathic elite
www.dailypaul.com/node/68954
Vital Info to study: 25 WAYS TO SUPPRESS THE TRUTH: The Rules of Disinformation
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/68785
The Secret Order of The Illuminati (good overview)
www.illuminati-news.com/moriah.htm
ArmorOfChrist777, great
ArmorOfChrist777, great job!
The Bible is there playbook. wake them up and never let them go back to sleep.
Then I guess the founding
Then I guess the founding fathers were fools and America was born of a fools game... Sigh!
Yeah guns aren't good for anything... Oh except winning and preserving freedom!
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
Get Prepared!
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End The Fat
70 pounds lost and counting! Get in shape for the revolution!
Get Prepared!
And IFV's are excellent
for killing people with guns...
CHA-CHING!
But the official story is
a theory also, and a conspiracy one at that...So, I have said all along (while at some times believing to a certain degree some of the other theories) that what we were told on 911, and after is NOT the truth...but not that every other theory is valid.
Joe Corrao
www.4eyedanimation.com
joe@4eyedanimation.com
Joe Corrao
www.4eyedanimation.com
joe@4eyedanimation.com
You are indeed a voice of reason...
Thank you for being a ray of hope
for me today...
Never, never, never give up!