What's it all about, Dr. Paul?
This is only day 2 for me in the Daily Paul Forum but I've read many posts and contributed a few of my own.
I am a supporter of Dr. Paul and his Liberty campaign. I supported him when he was a candidate for President - including with $$$.
Why does the 9/11 issue (and now the Bailout and Depression issue) resurface with predictable regularity and intensity - on just about every thread? Why is Dr. Paul just about MUM on key aspects of these vital issues (and the issue of 'religion')? Only Dr. Paul knows the answer - and he's not telling.
Different people have different agendas and truth is NOT everyone's cup of tea - here or elsewhere. Truth can be painful enough to ruin your whole day - even life! Most people shove truth under the rug every day - especially 'inconvenient truth'.
Something extremely sinister is happening to America and to humanity. If pressed to nominate the starting point, I would nominate the 'election' of Bush. A series of unimaginable events were set in motion from that point in time, equivalent to 'all hell breaking loose'.
Liberty starts with setting the captives free. It MUST start with active support for disclosure of facts (truth) about 9/11 and subsequent events, which are all related - NO MATTER WHAT PERSONAL SACRIFICE IS NECESSARY. These issues affect the future survival of America and of humanity, as well as our own personal survival and those of our children - into Eternity.
All of the vital pieces of The Puzzle of humanity's existence have been put together, here:
Some of the Truth you will find there may be painful to accept, despite the evidence presented. Denial (of 'inconvenient' or painful Truth) is a common ailment. If Dr. Paul is a true Christian (Follower of Christ), he owes his supporters a better explanation of where he stands on these critical issues of our time - before Time ends. It's time to take a stand - no matter what.
This is what it's about.
EternalOptimist; Welcome to the DP!
1) 9/11 is a hot and contentious issue here. Not everyone who supports Ron Paul is a "Truther", but many are. This is evidenced by 1/2 of the crowd shouting at the Rally for the Republic of "9/11 was an inside job", while others leave out the back door like Tucker Carlson. I'm sure Alex Jones was teary eyed when he saw that, hehe :) Dr. Paul supports a new investigation, but only to hold those people accountable who dropped the ball. To go further is political suicide. Just ask Cynthia McKinney.
2) The Bailout and economic situations are widely discussed here because Dr. Paul has long been a student of what is know as Austrian Economics. The Austrian theory is a rejection of the economic principals of John Maynard Keynes, and you can learn more about it at http://www.mises.org/.
3) Dr. Paul is a Christian, but understands that there is no place for bringing religion into politics. Unlike Mike Huckabee, he doesn't wear his religion on his sleeve. Religion is a personal, private, family matter. Dr. Paul disagreed with Mitt Romney on most issues, but he did say that people should accept him or reject him on his policies, not his Mormon faith. Dr. Paul has explained all of the above 3 questions on numerous occasions. That is why I know the answers to your questions.
4) Here at the DP, you will find a wide array of people who come from varying political philosophies in the past. What is an agenda item for one may not be with another, but when it comes to the Federal Reserve, Fiat v. Sound money, our Constitution, and Liberty, we are all united with a single purpose. Here, the goal is (or should be but not always is) to celebrate that unity of purpose and move forward towards that goal together. Truth is something we all seek. Some pursue 9/11 truth. Others pursue monetary truth, or both. If by "inconvenient truth" you are referring to Al Gore, you won't find any sympathizers here, but you will find that we all care about the environment, and we know that the environment is best taken care of by the property owners who have a vested interest in keeping it clean.
5) We here at the DP all share your concern for the direction America is heading in. However, we have studied history, more than most I dare say, and have come to the conclusion that this did not start with Bush, but long before him. Pivotal turning points in American history with regard to the terrible direction we are taking, many here would agree, started with President Woodrow Wilson in 1913 with the 16th Amendment and the Federal Reserve Act. Some would argue even before that, as early as the Civil War. If you share a distaste for neocons like we do, look into Woodrow Wilson. I would say it is fair to call him a neocon. He favored a foreign policy of military interventionism and a monetary policy of centralized banking, as did Leon Trotsky of the USSR. Wilson was a democrat too btw, so, neocon ideology is not limited to 1 party.
6a) I like your statement regarding liberty and setting the captives free. DP'ers understand that the War on Drugs makes us the most incarcerated nation in the world. We currently have more prisoners than the rest of the world combined. As such we would like to see an end to the War on Drugs, (personally I still want to see drugs stopped at the border. Support an American Hemp grower if your gonna buy hemp!)
6b) 9/11 is but 1 single event in a long history of state sponsored false flag terrorist attacks. This is not even close to the single biggest issue pursued by Dr. Paul or the Campaign for Liberty. If that is your biggest issue, I would recommend the PrisonPlanet forums.
7) Not all DP'ers are religious. Many are, but have differing views on faith and truth. Denial is common wherever you go, but is also a word used often by zealots as far back as the Spanish Inquisition, so I would be careful about accusing people of denial here, especially Dr. Paul. You will find that many who post are not as polite as I am, and will rip you up one side and down the other in a flame war better served if saved for Armageddon! Dr. Paul doesn't owe anyone anything. This man has given the bulk his entire life to public service. He has given explanations on every question asked of him, and does not dodge them either. He says what he thinks. I met him one day, and I can honestly tell you that he is humble and meek like Jesus. You would do much better to follow his example. No one owes you anything. Expectations that somehow Dr. Paul owes you something you will typically find are not welcome. If you want truth, go out and get it for yourself. Paulites believe in individual liberty and that with that comes personal responsibility. You are free to seek the truth, but don't expect it to be handed to you on a silver platter, especially by government. You might be waiting a long time. As for Dr. Paul, he has given We the People decades of service, that we can never repay. Through us, his words and teachings will live on long after he is gone.
In closing, I hope this answered your questions and addressed your concerns. Some of these would be better served on another forum. Again, welcome to the DP, but I would advise you to do more reading before posting.
Don't be jerks, you guys!
Don't say things like, "Well if you were REALLY a Paul supporter you would already know." That's not how to win people over to your side. So what if he/she wasn't a RP supporter? Would you be so rude or would you just answer his questions? Grow up.
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"We will never give up. We will never give in." - Dr. Ron Paul
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"We will never give up. We will never give in." - Dr. Ron Paul
It's about freedom
and the right to run our own lives and our constitutional rights, which most of this country is not even aware of anymore.
We are the only hope for freedom. The only hope I have is the one million votes Ron Paul received in the primaries. Some people are still aware of freedom.
Next? Red-hot HEAT!
OK - we all want our freedom back! Until we clearly identify and bring to trial and judgment the perpetrators who did 9/11 (and took our freedom away from us) and who are now taking our livelihoods, homes, money and future earnings away from us and our children, we remain prisoners! We don't have 4 years to wait for a remote chance of a Dr. Paul presidency - we'll be behind physical bars by then or living out of grocery carts.
It's time to raise the temperature in the kitchen! We must press for a new and impartial 9/11 investigation NOW! Dr. Paul must take the lead, since he's in the best position to turn up the heat on the criminal slimeballs.
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Dear Eternal optimist
I do not want to run your life, the Constitution does not give me the right to run your life or tell you what to think or believe.
Ron Paul
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Dr. Paul, I presume?
What should your supporters do to restore Liberty to the captives? Giving advice is not the same as 'running your life'. We have the power to ignore your advice. So, don't hide behind the Constitution.
Are you 'mad as Hell' yet (like millions of Americans who have lost their jobs, their homes, their investments, their relatives or their limbs or health in NYC, Iraq and Afghanistan) and for how much longer are YOU going to take it? We're not going to take it anymore. That's the advice our Founding Fathers gave us - and they gave good advice, even though they're dead!
You're a Christian, right? "Resist the Devil". Is that legit advice?
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Ron Paul has opined frequently and publicly
on the bailout & recession/depression. He is much in demand on Fox Business Channel and on CNN. Try doing some google and YouTube searches on Ron Paul, bailout.
New Hampshire and Ecuador
EternalOptimist - It goes WAY farther back
the extremely sinister plot that you know is in play here in AmeriKa goes back before "W".
Try the 1860's and the non-Civil War.
go to http://www.teamlaw.org/HistoryOutline.htm and read up on a little history that they dont teach you in school.
You mean the history of Zionism?
I am well aware of the background and timing of the sinister plot. :) I just picked the key event which the slimeballs selected to fire the 1st shot (Bush 'election') to set off the most recent battle. What matters now is to EXPOSE the works of Darkness and those responsible.
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Eternal Optimist
I just want to know why a member of 23 hours and 44 minutes has so many questions? Why all the questions?? Where have you been all this time? The true Dr. Paul supporters all know his beliefs and how he feels about everything going on. He is a true Christian and have no doubt about that! Do you really belong here?
dodobogo
Hello!
Are you an official member of the Welcoming committee? Got any meaningful answers besides your irrelevant questions? Actually, most of my questions are rhetorical. I'm looking for active leadership from the good Dr. What does he advise Americans to do to regain their freedom and capture the 9/11 criminals who are now destroying our livelihoods and economy? (wait for the 2012 election and his 3rd party candidacy?).
Where do you belong?
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Work at the local level
That is what most of us are doing. Getting more "Ron Pauls" elected. Trying to recover the actual conservative roots of the republican party.
We are in an uphill fight. We need to fight for what the founding fathers of this county fought for. I know that may sound corny, but it has become very real.
Anyone who has spent even a
Anyone who has spent even a modicum of time following Dr Paul knows exactly where he stands.
IMHO your "request" is out of line. Dr Paul is nothing short of an American hero. We "owe" him, and not vice versa.
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Sorry EternalOptimist
That blinking thing at the bottom of your page what is that? Is it some sort of mind control device or something? Sorry it hurts my eyes.
2 Thessalonians 2 KJV
On October 26th, 2008 debr62 says:
I just heard a sermon on this and it was an eyeopener and blessing! 3-Let no one deceive you by any means: for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
This is stated in my study Bible reference notes:
The Day of the Lord cannot occur until a deliberate abandonment of a formerly professed position, allegiance, or commitment occurs.
Also I would like to point out verse 10 and with all unrightous deception among those that perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrightousness. But read the whole chapter because its really good. I wanted to point out these because they really stood out. Also Strong delusion I have a John MacArthuthur study Bible NKJV and John states that people who prefer to love sin and lies rather than the gospel truth will receive severe, divine recompense, as do all sinners. God Himself will send judgment that insures their fate in the form of a deluding influence so that they continue to believe what is false. They accept evil as good and a lie as the truth. Thus does God use satan and antichrist as His instruments of judgment 1 Kings 22:19-23
Anyway God Bless everyone and have a great day.
The 'God' particle
That 'blinking thing' that hurts your eyes, my dear debr62, is my recent discovery of the 'God' particle, which those thousands of physicists at the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) at CERN are so desperately looking for, that they're willing to create a tiny Black Hole along the way, which would devour the entire planet - including THEM, of course. It's best not to look at it for very long, because it's likely to penetrate your brain (through your eyeballs) and transform it into something like extremely crisp bacon with scrambled eggs (if you know what I mean). Fortunately, God has other plans for our lovely planet Earth and He will foil those diabolical plans again and again and again - and they'll keep thinking it's some technical glitch. He realizes, of course, that even a tiny-teensy Black Hole will inevitably grow into a BIG (bad) Black Hole and then God's wonderful Creation and millions of years of His handiwork (our time, not His time), will just go 'down the tubes' so-to-speak.
His Word is awesome, isn't it!? Thanks for sharing. So there is no need to be 'Sorry'.
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Huh??? 'God' particle'
First your kidding right?? I had to read this several times before I realized
that either you have drank the kool-aide or you are warning people about Cern. I am uncertain. But I did look into it and remember back at the begining of the month when they did this. I was quite shocked to be honest with you. Yes God is in control of everything and I have to remind myself of that fact all the time! Otherwise I would be scared to death right now. Please don't get sucked into this 'blinking thing' . Stay in His word!
blinkety-blink - my word!
Actually, debr62, His Word is alive in me.
Man is forever peering into Space (wasting $Billions and $Billions) and you wonder WHO is responsible for all that wastage. Did you vote to have your tax dollars sent into Space? I mean, those pix of the sand on Mars are sorta interesting - but we have plenty of sand right here (and it's white and pure and great to stick your toes into) and there is plenty of ocean to go with it. How many people are paid tons of our $$$ for peering into Space for their entire lives and calculating how many million light years it would take us to get to some other Galaxy? Would anyone like to go? Wouldn't you rather get another few weeks of unemployment benefits, instead? How about free school lunches for your kids for a year or more?
Yeah, that 'God' particle is there to represent the total mystery of God's next Creation. Your brain is safe from being turned into someone's breakfast. ;) On the other hand, people have said that they have experienced blinding revelations of other universes after peering at the 'God' particle for more than 42 minutes. Who knows?
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I have to disagree Optimist
Ron has done myriads of wonderful things for this nation. It is now up you you and I to keep asking questions and to shine the light of the truth at every turn.
Chin up, we are not going to lose.
I am an optimist ( no matter how you spell it )
" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~
" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~
Shining the light in dark corners
I have to agree, holbrook. Of course we are not going to lose. :) Nevertheless, Dr. Paul should continue to demonstrate leadership in shining his considerable light into the dark corners - and there are a heck-uv-a-lot more than 4 in the Oval Office, that's for sure! None of us can afford to stop now.
"Take up your cross daily and come, follow Me"
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Yup - he owes us a more thorough explanation!
No, ckpac, I am not looking for an endorsement of my beliefs from Dr. Paul. I am looking for a clear and unequivocal statement from him on where he stands on those (3) key issues of our day. For starters, if some of his less erudite supporters can put a few dots together (about 9/11) which implicates the Bush regime, the Neocons and Zionist Israel, then it's not too much to expect Dr. Paul to do the same, is it?! He's supposed to be the leader - not the follower! Capiche?
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Ron Paul is trying to hammer home a simple message.
Liberty: economic, social and religious.
It would be very easy for the Mainstream Media to "divert" his coverage into side issues.
http://www.mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf
Would you trade your liberty for a flying car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsFfBB2W7IA
What if World War 2 was fought by today's teenagers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by33gZv8_BA&feature=relat
9/11 is NOT a side issue
9/11 is THE issue of our day. Once we all know who did 9/11 and why, we will have uncovered the sinister forces who are bent on destroying America and taking away our freedom (and money!). That's the 1st step to recovering our Liberty!
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I'm a truther myself.
And Ron Paul has called for a new investigation into 9/11. We all know the official story is BS.
http://www.mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf
Would you trade your liberty for a flying car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsFfBB2W7IA
What if World War 2 was fought by today's teenagers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by33gZv8_BA
I agree, BUT...
...it is an issue that can be addressed without ruining your credibility in the eyes of the majority... the sheep. Dr. Paul is smarter than anyone here and I'm positive that he knows something is very wrong about the official 9/11 theory. But, think about it: what would Ron Paul, and subsequently, the people that support him, gain from admitting to being a "truther?" I think it would only hurt the freedom movement, because Ron Paul would be relieved of his duties in the very next election... guaranteed. The only people it might wake up to the truth behind 9/11 are people that already support him, the Constitution, the original intent of the founders, etc.,so it would do absolutely no good for the movement. He's attacking the perps through means that are acceptable to the masses, whether they agree with him or not. If he comes out and says 9/11 was an inside job, he would NEVER get the masses behind him, PERIOD. It would be all over, and he knows it.
9/11 is one of the most extreme cases of criminal activity by the elite, but it IS just one of many thousands. The people responsible for 9/11 can be brought to justice without ever mentioning 9/11, and we need Ron Paul in Congress much more than we need him giving interviews in 9/11 documentaries that only a small % of the sheep watch, and even when they watch, most won't let themselves believe it and think the creators and participants are kooks.
Ron Paul needs to stick to what he does best... making people remember what it is to be American and getting them to think for themselves. ALL crimes can be addressed in that manner and he can remain somewhat "mainstream" at the same time.
I'm a "truther" and I'm glad Ron Paul never touches the subject. He knows what he's doing.
The 'wisdom' of the masses?
That's a whole lotta words but questionable reasoning.
It's not a matter of credibility with the masses - it's a matter of integrity and commitment and active leadership.
You may not believe this, but we are rapidly running out of Time (REAL Time!) - speed is of the essence. So, if our dear Dr. wants to LEAD the masses effectively under our present circumstances, he should go on the offensive with all barrels blazing (both hands). That means pressing with all his might for a new 9/11 investigation - among other things. He should call for a General Strike until TPTB comply. He should demand that Mr. Obama's authenticated birth certificate be printed in the NYT so that everyone can see that he is a legitimate candidate for the presidency (same for McCain). He should filibuster whenever some treasonous Bill (like the Bailout Bill) is presented (shoved down the throat) in Congress. Of course, in his case, wielding scalpels sharper than any 2-edged swords might be a better analogy than 6-shooters. Right now, the masses are looking (desperately) for leadership to take them away from the road to Hell and into the Promised Land of Liberty (and a decent job).
What is it to be American? How about "Live free or die"? How about "Give me liberty or give me death" How about "Nuts!" How about "We're mad as Hell and we're not gonna take it anymore!" How about "The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots" (T. Jefferson) How about "Hang 'em high!"
How about THAT?
What are you, some kinda Zionist shill? (or just a wimp?) Don't you remember what procrastination and appeasement led to with Nazi Germany? We're almost there! If either Obama or McCain get 'elected', we'll be that much closer to ZioNazi Fascism.
It's high time to identify and bring the nasty slimeballs to justice - before they do more damage!
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He's told us where he stands on most of the issues
He has stated he is a Christian...why should he constantly debate with Atheists ( or Mormons or LDS etc.) about his beliefs or repeatedly make his claim. He believes in freedom of religion so why argue with others about his personal beliefs...or theirs?
He has stated his opinions on the bailout, the economy, the money, and the coming depression...many times. I think he has been forthcoming.
He has stated he does not think 9-11 was an "inside" job but was manipulated to the advantage of those in power at the time. He has also stated that a new investigation would be appropriate to clarify the many questions surrounding the incident.
I don't see as Dr. Paul has been vague on any of the issues.
And I doubt that he would agree with you that the problems began with the election of Bush...they've been in the making for a long time...Perhaps a "quickening' has occurred since Bush but certainly not the catalyst.
When is enough enough?
See my reply to N_G_J.
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Dr Paul owes us nothing....
we owe him. He doesn't need to prove his faith in Christ to ANYONE, except Christ! That is his own personal business. Take your own stand, and stop looking for someone else to take the 'one' you want. Dr. Paul wants YOU to take a stand for LIBERTY. I know where he stands....
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