Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (at what/who's cost?)
I add a quart of automatic transmission fluid in my gas tank at every fill up. If not ATF then marvel mystery oil, but ATF is cheaper. I drive a 2008 Ford Power Stroke with a 6.4 liter turbo diesel engine, and after talking to one of my diesel mechanic buddies, I was informed of how bad the new ultra low sulfur diesel is for diesel engines. Apparently They are taking out almost all of the lubricating properties of diesel fuel to cut down on emissions at the cost of an under lubricated engine. He said to add ATF on every fill-up? Anyways it wasn't easy to do at first as I knew If it damaged my engine, My warranty would be voided and I just payed 54k for the truck in April. Well I trusted my buddy and did it anyways and surprise surprise... My fuel economy has gone up from 14.5 average to almost 18.5, if I keep it under 2000 rpm. If any of you out there have a diesel, I would recommend a quart of marvel mystery oil or ATF straight into the gas tank on every fill up. Besides the better fuel mileage, your injector pump will thank you later for the much needed lubrication that is now gone from this new bullshit ultra low sulfur diesel.
There are many products on the market...
...to address the lube problems with ULSD. I've used I think three of them...one was a Total product, the other I can't remember, and the Power Service Diesel Kleen additives. Those are simply awesome.
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We have friends who are
We have friends who are diesel mechanics at the local Ford dealership. They have 6.4s that they run on straight transmission fluid that they get from fluid changes. I think one guy has 50,000 miles with this routine but it is important to filter it out properly and be careful over the condition of the oil.
Interesting indeed - I have a 1999 - Powerstroke with 50K
in miles. Runs awesome - but pouring ATF into the tank ? I use a diesel additive in the winter , but geez I just can't wrap around pouring tranny fluid into my tank. I get around 17 - 20 MPG - sounds like I could get maybe 19-22 if I added the ATF. Anyone else use the ATF with no issues? My Powerstroke is older & in my opinion much better than the newer ones.
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As an Engineer
in the Diesel engine industry, I can say that this is an absolute nightmare. The "problem" with the sulfer in the fuel is it that it binds to the oxidation catalyst in the aftertreatment device, rendering it ineffective. As the original post says, sulfer compounds provide the lubrocity of the fuel, and removing them kills one of the primary benefits of the Diesel engine: long term durability. Back in the mid-80s, Mercedes-Benz built a 5-cylinder Diesel engine that, with proper maintenance, could be counted on to last half-a-million miles, something that is unheard of in more modern (consumer) automobiles. The 300D also got 26 mpg, which is is impressive for a car that heavy.
Anyway, the ultra-low sulfer fuel is only one of the problems the EPA is pushing on us. There is also the ultra-low ash engine oil (ash clogs up the particulate filter), and the higher coolant temperatures we need to run for fuel economy (or, to waste less fuel) force material changes, and the new materials get corroded by traditional coolant mixtures. The list goes on.
I recently spoke with a local dairy farmer who is still running a 1972 tractor for his operation. He had just cut 85 acres of alfalfa on 35 gallons of Diesel fuel, and he has no worries about the reliability of his tractor.
Of course, if the technology were not going this way, I'd probably be out of a job, so I won't complain about it too much...
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Bio-Diesel and WVO
I know the differences between Bio-Diesel and WVO. From an engineering stand point is there any cautions in using either? I have used B20 Oct-April and B100 May-Sept without any issues for the past 4 years in Texas. I was thinking about obtaining WVO and installing one of those kits on my 99 F250. Currently I am having a problem getting restaurants to sell me their oil but I am still hopeful!
The only thing I've come across is that...
biodiesel will eat rubber, and can eventually destroy your fuel lines. You can get Viton fuel lines from Goodyear I think...it isn't expensive. Aside from that, the fuel filters can get clogged a little sooner than normal, and you don't usually get as many MPG due to the lower potential energy in biofuels and oils.
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is that type f ATF? "When
is that type f ATF?
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I add Power Service Diesel Kleen? in every tank
It has slick diesel lube in it, boosts cetane and keeps injectors clean. Winter formula (white bottle) prevents gelling in cold temp. Silver bottle is for the rest of the year. Buy at Wal-Mart....keeps my engine running smoothly! Never run older diesels without something like this!!
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A friend of mine has been running straight vegetable oil for years. At least 10, if I remember correctly. He gets his oil from from restaurants and all he does to it is run it through a filter. He adds no additives what so ever. Sorry about the 54k. I sold cars for quite awile. About six months ago my buddy at the Ford dealership went to an auction and they bought an 08 King Ranch 4x4 with 3k on it for $18,500. Perhaps I shouldn't have told you that.
. o O ( what an asshole )
Just Kidding. Seriously though, It's nice to know that if times get real tough there's easy alternatives to diesel fuel altogether. I find peace in knowing that I can go get an alternative source of fuel for my truck if they shut down fuel or something of that nature, like we see back east right now. I already have my fuel transfer tank ordered that holds 100 gallons.That way I can make it home to Idaho no matter where I'm working in California. I'm not quite an "end of the world" type guy, but I'll be damned if I ever take an RFID chip in order to buy fuel or food or anything for that matter. Same goes for a national ID in any form or fashion. I will refuse. Tell your buddy he can drive that Kings Ranch straight to hell ! Mine is a Lariat but it's loaded to the core. $18,500...... PFFFFFT! I guess the icing on the cake is mine is financed through Chase. I got 5.9% for 72 months, but at the same time I know being in debt right now is wrong and Un-American. Especially when it's debt to the same people destroying our Country. I needed it for work though.
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Well
He didn't buy it to drive it. He bought it to sell it. I'm sure the dealership made about 20k on the sale. I know that sucks. You should watch the movie "suckers." The first part is completely true. It is all about selling cars.
Add Biodiesel
Some states are requiring that diesel be mixed with 5% of biodiesel to replace the sulfur they are taking out. Biodiesel has a better lubtricity than Dino Diesel and supports the farmers rather than Middle East. In the winter you should run no more than 20% because it gels faster that regular diesel.