For liberty to survive in America. Obama must win.
Interesting email forwarded to me:
Here is how I see the current garbage being pushed to us from the mainstream media.
It is obvious from the poll numbers that Obama is going to win the presidency. If that is in fact the case, Obama's socialist agenda may do more to rally the conservatives and libertarians to restore liberty in this country than any event in modern history.
In reality, even If McCain wins, those who consider themselves to be “conservatives” will be lulled back to sleep. They will feel they have won and will tune into their daily dose of Hannity and Rush and feel as if by listening to talk radio for an for an hour a day they are Patriots.
From the past 8 years of Republican control, it is evident that Republican party does not want anything to do with repudiating the communist manifesto. Both Obama and McCain support the erosion of property rights, they are jointly embracing Al Gores environmental initiative. McCain is heading the globalist environmental agenda, they both support eroding our sovereignty to the UN, they both support the Kyoto treaty, they both support an assault weapons ban, they both support Amnesty and welfare for illegal aliens, they both support NAFTA and CAFTA that have cost us millions of American jobs, they both support gun confiscation, they both support a centralized US Department of Education, they both oppose the 10th Amendment, they both support continued war, they both support unlimited borrowing, they both support a graduated income Tax, they are both socialist.
The problem with a McCain is that when he practices socialism conservatives are treated as heretic for speaking against what he is doing. Many in the party are so stupid that if a Republic does something that is socialistic and the talking heads promote it (i.e war) then the socialist policies become “conservative.” Then one is not a “good Republican” if they speak against the new policy of the party, even if what they are doing is un American.
Therefore, the only way to effectively awaken and unify the Constitutional Conservative Republicans, Constitutional Conservative Democrats, Constitutional Conservative Independents is to have blatant socialist in office.
The demise of America is coming from those who claim to be Conservatives and do the most harm to the Constitution. John McCain would be exactly that type. He will kill the Constitution and our sovereignty through incrementalism.
At least with Obama he is going to go for the brass ring to bring in tyranny and socialism. At that time hopefully Constitutional conservatives can call the question to restore the republic. Below is my take on Globalist McCain.
My take on McCain
The final push to get the sheep into the slaughter pen is underway. The Globalist Neo-Conservatives have successfully taken over the Republican Party just the same as the Nazi’s took over the Weimar Republic and suspended the German Constitution. The Nazi’s then led a totalitarian regime and the rise of Hitler in his quest to establish the New Order.
Hitler’s globalist movement continues today with the New World Order and can not be accomplished until the American people become disarmed and subservient to the United Nations and its World Trade Organization and their un-American socialist agreements NAFTA and CAFTA and the ultimate override of US Sovereignty - NATO.
The Globalist have slowly and gently guided the American people from thoughts of freedom and liberty to government domination and group speak through media manipulation, marginalization, humiliation , loyalty oaths, and rigged straw polls.
Their final denouement was to secure their nomination by demonstrating their ideal police state at the Republican National Convention ("RNC") evidenced by armed gun ships, check points, swarms of combat police in full riot gear, intimidation, unlawful arrest and the such. Even within the Republican convention the Nazi ilk demonstrated and flaunted their take over of the Republican Party by recruiting partly loyalist to watch other party members and to report them and strong arm them to silence dissenting opinions. All of this was well funded by the US taxpayers and the multi national corporate lobbyist who were celebrating their victory over the people.
Prior to the RNC their well orchestrated schemes were evident with local party bosses parroting the orders of the state bosses who parroted the orders of the national bosses who parroted the orders from the RNC committee leaders who received them directly from the oracles of the anti-American lobbyists and special interest groups. The McCain annointing message was sent down, comply and you will be rewarded, and if you do not comply and get rid of all dissenters you can plan on a ruined political career and no funding unless the message was pushed down stream.
The handwriting on the wall was there for all to see during the last week of December 2007 when long shot candidate John McCain received "in a rare move" the support form Benedict Arnold, foreign born, Heinz “Henry” Kissinger. http://www.nysun.com/national/in-a-rare-move-kissinger-endor... Heinz then quickly paraded the washed out parrot John McCain to the Council on Foreign Relations and to its members including their CEO and reported of the national global media firms. This immediately ensured that the McCain “Maverick patriot” message was pushed down to the masses.
Quicky Former President Bush jumped in and backed McCain.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/18/politics/main38424...
Once Kissinger, Bush, the Carlyle crew and the AIPAC elite announced the annointing, the talking heads on the networks, that are predominately viewed by the party membership, went to work to prop up McCain. They simply began talking about how great he is are all day long while simultaneously marginalizimg his opponents.
McCain did not need real support or money and coincidently at the time McCain had neither. The message began with "McCain may not have money but he is going to win New Hampshire." Blah, blah, blah, it was story after story all day long about McCain heading to New Hampshire and winning again. The benefit and value of the incessant free positive media coverage provided by the major network would have cost in the tens of millions of dollars if not the hundreds of millions. The fix was in and the game was on for the minds of the 80% of Americans who form their opinion from televisions. These same non-thinking Americans place implicit trust in what the “credible” pundits have to say and they were saying "McCain."
Simultaneously, the media controlled networks and AIPAC writers began their smear campaign against the only pro-American, Pro Liberty Candidate that was in the presidential race-Ron Paul.
11/17/07
Mona Charen Slimes Ron Paul
http://www.theagitator.com/2007/11/17/mona-charen-slimes-ron...
1/13/08
Ron Paul - The Smear Campaign
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jZTd9j6_yg
11/29/07
Ron Paul smeared by CNN's Jeffrey Toobin about NAFTA highway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtK2AeONPYg&feature=related
5/28/08
Media Campaign Against Ron Paul Continues
http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-05-28/media-campaign-against-ron...
Following McCain’s visit to the CFR has was paraded to the Anti- American - Israeli Lobbyist firm AIPAC where he was escorted by his two handler rabbis - rabbi Kissinger and rabbi Lieberman, where he swore upon the altar of the Global New World Order allegiance and aid to Israel and swore to continued aid to all foreign nations as directed and allegiance to defend the Israeli agenda and to continued preemptive war against those enemies so declared by Israel.
Any liberty minded individual who has not witnessed the erosion of the Bill of Rights with the Patriot Act, John Warner Act, Military Commissions Act and other such tyrannical pieces of Unconstitutional legislation has been asleep. These assaults on the U.S. Constitution and the American People are all supported by the treasonous traitor John McCain.
Now the very elect –the remnant - is still being deceived. We are told “you have got to vote McCain or we will have Obama. Big Bad Obama.” Okay, so in order to go in and push the button or pull the lever for McCain I just need to reconcile a few things before I sell my soul to Satan.
And yes, they are going to try to scare us, “McCain will support good judges, Obama will support bad judges.” We are told, "Obama will raise taxes, McCain will not." Hello, unless you have not heard, we are $10 trillion in debt, have $40 trillion of debt obligations and Bush and the Central Bankers are working to saddle us more debt than the entire worlds GDP. This is more of the big lie. In reality, these guys serve the same banker fianciers and there will be no difference. The two worship at the same altar.
So then, realizing that the American People were not buying the McCain story hook line and sinker – and they damn sure were not buying a McCain - Lieberman ticket they reached into their bag of tricks and pulled out Sarah Palin.
Sarah Palin is the latest rabbit out of the hat. Along with Palin comes the globalist media machine to sell her as the savior of the party and the savior of America. We if she is so great, why doesn’t the party switch her to president and McCain to VP?
McCain will continue to disregard the US Constitution to sacrifice the lives of our young to do the bidding of the Neoconservatives.
McCain will continue to promote the United States participation into NATO thus allowing the US to be pulled into Unconstitutional wars.
McCain will continue to promote the devaluation of the US Dollar and enslavement of Americans through US Debt.
McCain will continue to promote the Sovereignty of the United Nations and a world government to the detriment of the US Constitution.
McCain will continue to promote the Real “Dangerous” ID Act that allows for the federal government to surveillance all Americans including our children and to track their every move.
McCain will continue to undermine the sovereignty of the States and their legislatures.
McCain will continue to promote a federal education system that overrides the state legislatures and pushes a socialist totalitarian worldview on our children.
John McCain and his ilk are traitors to the American People and the US Constitution. Any support of this man and their Forth Reich regime constitutes aid and assistance to the enemy of the US Constitution and aid to a traitor to this nation. They do not hold a monopoly or a claim to my mind or my vote.
So as for me I will not cave to the manipulation of two false choices.
So as for me, there will not be blood on my hands by consenting to their actions. They murdered nearly 70 children in the past month in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Every vote for McCain will show a false sense of support for the lesser of two evils. The lesser of two evils is still evil and we must reject the evil. Our fight does not end in November, it has only just begun.
And no we don’t have to leave the Republican Party if we don’t like McCain and the Neo-Conservatives. If someone breaks into your home and holds you by force and says "sign this oath to support me or leave your home to me", do you leave or do you fight to take it back?
This is the same false choice we are presented by those who are attempting to take the party and the country captive. We will stay in the party. We will take a stand. We will fight. We will silence those who are traitors to the U.S. Constitution, traitors to our sovereignty and traitors to America.
We have been asleep but the spirit of liberty has been re-awakened. We are back, we are not going anywhere and we are here to take it back!





















Forwarding this message is part of What got the RLC
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Vomit
the mind....
baldwin 08
Baldwin '08. Baldwin '12
Baldwin for Florida Governor, Baldwin for US Senate, Baldwin for US House.
Go Chuck Baldwin!
I agree that an Obama
win is the only way for the GOP to clean house & go after the criminal element, within the party.
I had a knee jerk reaction at first
to your premise, because of course neither of these clowns could be better or worse than the other. But after reading most of your ideas, I guess I see your point. Maybe Obama will make the sleepy, lazy couch republicans wake up and smell the toxic co2 gas. Especially after the Democrat Congress passes the new "fairness" doctrine and takes away Rush Limbaugh. That ought to get their dander up, if they still have a dander.
I think Jeff Davis will wake up as well
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How about following CFL???
I am going to attract a lot of heat, and yes, so well deserved.
Just tonight I filled out my mail-in vote. Outside of the presidential candidate, I picked all males blankedly and NO on every Constitutional amendment. Why? Because I'm ignorant. I have no idea who those people are, no idea what they stand for. I have received a whole bunch of junk mail from republican party, but all of it went where it supposed to go - trash.
I have no one to blame, yes, it would be nice to have a web site like this one where you could go and research your local candidates, judges, sheriffs, school district, etc. etc, but I don't know of one.
Did not RP say politics begin at the local level? What does it matter if either of the clowns take the office? I could have made a difference this "local" election, but I did not. Sadly to admit, just a part of disenfranchised sheeple crowd.
P.S. Wish there was a spell check feature here. Not only having a good political opinion, but also spelling like a moron. :)
Clearly, you have missed the point.
America is going down the toilet REGARDLESS of a McBama / O'Cain win.
Get a clue. They both suck dick.
Idiots
Do we forget that they are both one in the same.
Oh wait. One is black the other white. There is the only difference I see between them.
I call BS on those who say Obama will save this nation and be a better bid for our movement. Fools and laggards.
wrong web site?
The last time I checked this site was centered around ron paul and the libertarian effort to end the democrat / republican hold on power, institute sound money policies, etc.
Obama is the status quo, there is no change with an obama presidency.
There is no 'lesser evil'. If a third party candidate other than barr doesnt win, its more of the same for the next four years.
Anyone that wants to redistribute wealth is a thief. And this coming from someone thats fairly poor himself.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants
Something that I would add,
Something that I would add, if Obama wins, I believe amnesty for the 20+ million illegal aliens will be less likely to pass(if enough ant-amnesty representatives in the house still exist after the election, and the ones who are usually anti-amnesty are the republicans). I would never vote for Obama though, I'm voting for Chuck Baldwin.
Both Obama and Mcain want amnesty(they can try to fool people and call it a path to citizenship, but its really not much different from amnesty), but if McCain wins, the republicans will be more likely to be pressured into going along with McCains wishes to pass amnesty, and republicans in the house of representatives(especially th ones who are a part of the immigration reform caucus, including Ron Paul who is a member of that caucus and will help to block amnesty)are the main things stopping amnesty right now. If Obama wns, the republicans in the house will work harder to block Obama's amnesty plan. What about the democrats? Far more democrats favor amnesty than republicans do, so no matter whether Obama or McCain wins, the majority of democrats will vote for the amnesty(and after the last major amnesty illegal immigration increased, and I see no reason to believe why that won't happen again if we have another amnesty).
Here is a site where you can compare voting records of democrats and republicans, to see their past voting records on issues like illegal immigration and amnesty.
http://www.betterimmigration.com/reportcardintro.html
And if you want to compare the 2008 presidential candidates on issues like illegl immigration and amnesty, you can check here
http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/prez2008.html
Here are a couple more important articles on the subject
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/70521
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/70227
BS!!!
Obama win means military draft wars spreading into Pakistan and Iran
and his neo-con adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski wants more anti Russia moves perhaps a nuclear first strike.
You Sir are a fool.
http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/statement-to-ron-pa...
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"How can we justify to the unemployed and underemployed in the United States the incredible cost of maintaining a global empire?" - Dr. Ron Paul
And you believe McCain has a different plan?
A Different plan for Iran, Syria, Pakistan and Palestine?
agreed
He has the same plan perhaps adding Martial Law...
We need a strong opposition we need to build it and voting 3rd party is a way to jump start a Freedom Movement.
Sorry for the fool comment
but it is foolish to cast a vote for evil no matter how "lesser" it is.
http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/statement-to-ron-pa...
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"How can we justify to the unemployed and underemployed in the United States the incredible cost of maintaining a global empire?" - Dr. Ron Paul
Please do not call Obama a
Please do not call Obama a Communist, he is nothing of the sort. A Communist is someone who practices communism, communism as conceived by Tolstoy and other intellectuals who dreamed it up, pertaining to it's original and real definition does not exist, and cannot exist as long as a government or state exists, since it is by definition anarchistic. The reason it will probably never occur is because it requires free people to freely give their labor and share their goods, with no state, government or private control.
Obama is nothing of the sort, he is a socialist, someone that believes that the government should come and steal the fruits of your labor and distribute them to the people, their is no option, everyone is a slave of the state. Socialism, comes in many forms, facism, nazism, military dictatorship, keynesianism are all just progressive forms of socialism. Socialism is progressive. Communism according to Carl Marx is the result of what occurs when socialism and the state finally collapse.
grant
later
GOT to go ,nice chat THANKS
weee
PARTY & Country go together in this election
WELL said but it's not just the REP party you are messing with ...NEVER CONSIDER SOCIALISM as a viable alternative ,ANYTIME....AN ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure...
weee
Nice, but long.
You could've simply said that the GOP needs to fall hard before it rises again, and in the meantime the DP will screw things up.
Sometimes to create you must destroy first. This is one of those times for the GOP.
That's assuming it survives the destruction, of course.
An obama victory only seems
An obama victory only seems good to me if after his policy implementations people wake up and see that government intervention is not the answer after he makes the economic fallout even worse with additional spending. But the way things will more than likely go- I bet that won't happen- and people will say that he just didn't spend enough or something like that.
You forgot one thing though
When or if Obama loses (remember, it's Diebold vs. Acorn), what cities will the angry people who thought he was their Savior start rioting? I lived through the Rodney King riots in L.A. and it wasn't pretty.
Also, don't forget that nothing changes when a new president enters the White House if the people are already under a tyranny.
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DIEBOLD: "If Your Vote Counts, Then We're Not Doing Our Job."
LISTEN to yourself check yourself
IF Obama gets in his followers will never say that he is wrong ,don't even go there ...HE will be able to do no wrong...MEDIA
weee
You are absolutely correct, I forgot that one
They will make excuses for their perfect savior/Messiah just like the Bush supporters did. Except they will be even more blinded to reality.
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good read
If, excuse me, when Obama wins, real republicans will wake up, and gut the party of neocons. It's starting already with the finger pointing and blame game. However, Obama is going to be such a massive threat to liberty that it will come to war. He will go after militias and guns worse than Clinton, and the whole false flag Jan 21-22 thing that powell / biden hinted on, could be "domestic". If it's blamed on White Al Qaeds, or neo-nazi skinheads, etc., then you know the drill. Martial law, suspend the Constitution, no more rights except "right this way" to the FEMA camp, so on, ad nauseam.
So, for Liberty to be restored in an Obama win, he would need to crush the remaining liberties we have, which will rally conservative republicans behind constitutional republicans and it will take a war to restore those liberties once lost. Ain't that a pickle! I'm gonna puke.
Kel
P.S. I'm not advocating violence. I want to be wrong. Please God let me be wrong.
Actually, I expect Obama,
Actually, I expect Obama, communist that he is, would still probably be less hard on our civil rights that Herr McCain.
Pat
BOHICA!!
Pat
BOHICA!!
time is running
You cannot turn back the hands of time ...Once socialism takes root & is allowed to further permiate society ,you have a harder time getting rid of it.....With Obama you WILL get MORE socialism, big time ...WE cannot afford more socialism on the part of ANYONE, at this time ...Your vote will be defined as the "lesser" loss of freedom, from which we can build our campaign for 2012....
weee
I think you have a problem either way....
MANY, MANY people who have hated all of the assaults on our freedoms have been on the "left" or "Democrat" side of the equation and have blamed it all on the Bush administration (take Naomi Wolf for example). If/when Obama wins it will be THOSE people who go back to sleep ("all our problems are solved now"!) and justify whatever THEIR candidate is doing, just as the sleeping "Conservatives" justified everything Bush was doing. We will lose many of the outraged liberals and ACLU supporters with Obama, as they will not BELIEVE that THEIR guy would have evil motivations.
The ONLY HOPE no matter WHO wins is continuing to educate the sleeping masses. No matter who wins, the elite have made sure that this election is so rancorous, that the winner will go back to sleep and the losers will see the problems. Either way we will have to wake up some segment of the population.
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"Not armies, not nations, have advanced the race; but here and there, in the course of ages, an individual has stood up and cast his shadow over the world."
Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."
Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs
I agree. Our best hope is
I agree.
Our best hope is for one of the major parties to adopt positions less hostile to freedom in future elections. Out of the two of them, the GOP is the one most likely to do that. It is therefore more important that the GOP gets a reminder that their current, anti freedom, policies are non starters, than that the democrats do so.
So, if Obama wins, especially if a lot of voters vote for obviously ‘smaller govt than McCain’s’ candidates like Baldwin, Barr or Paul, we may actually have laid the groundwork for a more agreeable GOP next time. If McCain wins, it will simply vindicate the neocon / centrist GOP strategy of the last couple of decades.
I still can’t quite bring myself to chant ‘Go Obama!’ though. ’Down with McCain!’ rolls of the tongue a lot easier.
Haven't you learned yet?
Every electoral cycle--especially when they don't have the White House--the GOP puts on a big show of being conservative, constitutionalist, and even marginally libertarian. Then they betray the conservatives whenever they regain power, as they did under Bush.
Magically overnight, when the Democrats are in the White House, the talk radio pundits and purported conservatives become iconoclastic, rebellious right-wing patriots. And as soon as the Republicans win the White House, the same people will become fascistic, big government, flag-waving, constitution-trampling imperialists. So it goes with the party itself, as in the case of CFR-member Newt Gingrich and his "Contract With America".
The excremental droppings of that Freshman Congress of 1995 have turned out to be the biggest traitors in American history.
Are you wanting to be a part of the next wave of GOP betrayal? Or have you finally had enough?
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I hear you. This may well
I hear you. This may well happen again, if Obama fails to deliver to the extent that people start yearning for the ‘good old Bush years’ again.
I still feel we, as in believers in Founding Fathers / Ron Paul style limited government of enumerated powers, have a better crack at getting some of our ideas accepted by a ruling party if the current GOP takes a bath this time around. The coalition Rove et al. built to deliver elections to the GOP has always been a bit shaky, as it has depended on groups with nonoverlapping, and oftentimes divergent priorities. To illustrate, a large part of the vote has come from self identified evangelicals, whose concerns are largely orthogonal to those of another major constituency, the balanced budget crowd. And then you have the gun guys. And a smattering of us libertarians and constitutionalists. The only true uniter seems to be a fear of the democrats.
I feel it is unrealistic to expect all these different groups to somehow decide to leave the GOP in favor of a third party, however much I wish they would. Hence, In order to effect actual change, we, the small but recently growing, constitutionalist fraction of the GOP, need to somehow convince the others, who don’t necessarily share many of our views, that we are still proper stewards of their concerns, as well as their best hope of getting the dems thrown out of office next time around.
Watching the third party debate, I could not help but feel Chuck Baldwin is very much on the right track when he confronts evangelicals with the dismal failure to address any of their concerns that has been a hallmark of the Bush administration; and that will, by extension be the hallmark of a McCain one. These are voters whose main priorities are far from doctrinaire constitutionalism, but Baldwin is still making a good case for why ‘our side’ is the right side, even for a group of voters who may not even know the word libertarian.
Similarly, especially if Obama proves a disappointment to their cause, someone like Justin Raymondo at antiwar may help bring another group of not necessarily libertarian voters to vote for ‘our man’, whoever that may be.
As may a possibly under Obama resurgent militia movement, a more alarmed anti tax coalition etc. etc.
While none of them may agree with Ron Paul, or us, on every, or even most, issues, they don’t have to, as long as they vote for us. In bareknuckled politics, a vote is a vote, regardless of the motives and strength of convictions of the one who casts it.
In simpler terms, I believe an Obama win will increase the likelihood that one of us, or at least one more acceptable to us, can come to be seen as the ‘least evil’ candidate, and hence the most ‘electable’, and default, amongst the GOP’s possible candidates, in some election in the future.
I agree. If Obama wins, the
I agree. If Obama wins, the so-called conservative Republicans will quickly join our freedom movement.
I wouldn't be surprised that if Obama wins and we're still fighting wars overseas, Democrats will join our freedom movement.
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