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Naomi Wolf reaches out to the Ron Paul Revolution

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http://www.dailypaul.com/node/71204

FOREWORD from Ray Powell:

Hello All. I am sure many of you know me. Just in case you don't, I currently own and operate Restore The Republic Radio. But more important to this discussion, you may remember the Revolution March last July 12th. I am the co-founder of Revolution Management Foundation which organized the march. As we were planning the march last summer, we thought it was important to make SURE the event was NON-PARTISAN. We looked for ways to reach across "party lines". Since we believe the entire left/right debate is a sham that continues to be pushed my the main stream media, the organizers and I all agreed that a very important part of what we need to do with this event, is to show that when it comes to the REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUES that face us, we have more in common than we may sometimes realize.

To this end, we were very excited to invite, and ultimately confirm Naomi Wolf to speak at the march. She made a powerful and informative speech. I hope you all take the time to see it (Part 1 - Part 2). Since July, we have kept in touch with Naomi. She has expressed her interest in continuing to explore some of the similarities in the information that "The Revolution" wants to share with the world, and the information contained in her two most recent books (Give Me Liberty and The End of America). I share that interest.

The point of this post is to allow us to continue to cautiously feel out the differences in our opinions while we attempt to find what we have in common. Possibly the most striking of these apparent differences is that Naomi has come forward and publicly stated her support for Barack Obama for president. This has caused quite an uproar within "The Revolution". She thought that it would be a good idea to try to diplomatically address her reasoning for this decision so that we can continue to move forward and find what we have IN COMMON!

After long discussion with Naomi, and much thought, my personal opinion is that there is really no major debate we should have with her decision. It is only one small difference in the likely application of her presidential vote. And the best place to put your presidential vote this November is territory that is CLEARLY open for reasonable debate. There is already a TON of that going on amongst our community.

Essentially, we all believe that we need to end the duopoly that the Republicans and Democrats hold over us, and many of us believe that they are really the same party, and that they share an agenda of higher powers. Many of us also believe that all the major players in world government tend to share that same agenda. But I think we all have to acknowledge that there are many factions within this group of "world governors". The many different factions have many different ideas on HOW exactly to go about enslaving the people of the world. If we understand and agree on THAT, then we MUST agree that it is reasonable for us to have different ideas on exactly how to STOP them!

For instance, Naomi is VERY convinced that the particular agenda of Bush, Cheney, and their Neo-con friends, has proceeded much further down the road than some other agendas. She believes that we are on the precipice of world tyranny under the rule of this PARTICULAR faction, and that the best thing we can do with our vote is to ENSURE that this faction loses some of the power that have achieved in recent years.

While I am not quite as scared as she is, for a few really good reasons, I respect her opinion greatly and I think it is worth reading in more detail in her own words below. If it turns out that she is right, it would be a shame to say that we allowed her to stand alone, and be isolated and rejected by our Revolution. She would have been the only one who was SCARED ENOUGH! I, FOR ONE, STAND WITH HER. Even though I will vote differently in November.

Oh, one other note: Ron Paul seemed proud to share the fact that he had read her book when I interviewed him in July. Listen here- it's about 10 minutes in.

NAOMI WOLF'S OWN WORDS:

Dear Ron Paul Community:

I have been following the discussion on this site in response to my open letter to conservatives triggered by the deployment of the First Brigade. My letter was a call to a transpartisan movement of patriots devoted to restoring the Republic and the Constitution.

Some readers pose questions about my positions in my advocacy for liberty that I do feel it is useful for me to answer directly. I believe very strongly that restoring the Republic is an issue that goes beyond partisanship and one that can only be achieved by patriots working together for the good of the nation. I have also always made it a policy to be as accountable to readers and critics as I can possibly be, so here goes: I will summarize some of the questions that tend to come up from people who don't know me well that need answering so we can move ahead into constructive action.

*She doesn't acknowledge the Ron Paul community in her advocacy / presentation *

Anyone who comes to my events and reads my work knows that I honor the leadership of the Ron Paul community consistently. While I am not a Ron Paul voter, I always shine a light on the work of your community because I believe it is exemplary of the kind of citizen action and devotion to country that I call for in a time of crisis such as this one (actually it would be ideal always for citizens across party lines to show this kind of personal commitment ad creativity in problem-solving.)

I spoke at the Ron Paul rally in Washington; I included Ron Paul community leaders' guidance in my new book Give me Liberty; I always acknowledge the many Ron Paul supporters who are appearing at my events that are seeking to build a trans-partisan army of patriots; and when I co-founded the American Freedom Campaign and the My America Project, we sought and secured partnership with various Ron Paul allies in the bigger fight. Indeed Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich jointly introduced legislation to restore liberty that the AFC and the American Freedom Agenda both helped develop and as I have been introducing the film I have been calling on people to sign petitions to get Paul's and Kucinich's legislation passed.

*She is a Rhodes Scholar, Gore Advisor, Obama supporter, CFR member etc., -- ie don't trust her.*

I have to say this turn of internet speculation is extraordinarily distressing to me as a patriot since it has been 'seeded' relentlessly on various sites in such a way as to make people question whether they should trust me in taking action. Who knows the source of such things.

Well, here is the truth. I was indeed a Rhodes scholar. I studied at New College, Oxford for three years. The Rhodes Scholarship was indeed started by Cecil Rhodes to prop up British colonialism but during my entire time there and subsequently the scholarship functioned simply as funding for graduate school. I am not a member of the Council on Foreign Relations nor have ever been invited to be one. I did work informally on the 1996 Clinton/Gore campaign talking about womens issues and formally on the 2000 campaign.

Contrary to RNC disinformation, I was working not on fashion advice but on womens and family issues such as minimum wage, flextime and social security. I did publicly come out in support of Barack Obama. Here is why: a McCain presidency will, I believe consolidate a police state. Obama in my view will simply stabilize things at this (given, unacceptable) level long enough to let us drive a trans-partisan citizens' movement to restore liberty and the rule of law, without which we will be just as badly off under Democrats as under Republicans.

I have said many times in public and in print that I am as afraid of a Democratic president with these powers as a Republican one; that Obama will not and cannot restore our rights without a grassroots movement forcing him to do so; that vested interests will compel either side to shred the Constitution; and that either party will be tempted to abuse power. I have indeed been educated by the Ron Paul community and others in the failings of both parties and in the corruption of being restricted to a two-party system. I have also championed Ron Paul's legislation to restore checks and balances in print.

I do hope we can move past the idea that we have to vote in lockstep or reach identical policy conclusions in order to listen to one another and learn from each other constructively, which is what I feel our Founders would wish us to do.

Finally, I would like to say that my meeting many Ron Paul supporters has been genuinely transformative for me -- I can't imagine a more dedicated and courageous group of Americans. So if any of you online still have doubts about my motivations or allegiances please come meet me in person -- my schedule is posted at www.myamericaproject.org -- and ask me whatever you want. I am accountable to you and I will answer whatever you wish to ask me. I am also delighted to answer your questions or be educated by you online if a Ron Paul forum would like to facilitate that. I also of course need your help in creating an army of patriots whose loyalty to nation transcends party affiliations and I am asking to build that relationship. My allegiance is to the Constitution and I know we have that in common.

Thank you for listening, Naomi Wolf

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Welcome Naomi!

We've had a lot of trolls around here lately posing as r3volutionaries. Of course, what is missing from their comments is love. The word free comes from the Sanskrit for 'love' and freed from the word for 'beloved'.

I enjoyed your discussion with Lew Rockwell. I felt the same way when I discovered Justin Raimondo over at Antiwar.com back in early 2002. I thank him for waking me from my dogmatic slumbers.

End of America contain important knowledge of our situation. The feeling returned. I am glad I know but it is scary. I look forward to hearing and reading more from you.

Naomi Wolf Not Worthy of RP Supporters

Naomi Wolf supports Obama and as such is a Marxist supporter. I think she is trying to infiltrate the RP movement to destroy it. All her nice words about RP supporters are for naught considering her affiliations with Al Gore, CFR, Obama, etc. Birds of a feather....you know.

This discussion is now continued here:

This discussion is now continued here:

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/71204

Sincerely,
Ray Powell
http://www.RaymondPowell.com

Sincerely,
Ray Powell
Founder, Hacking For Change
Head Geek, Startbutton.com

me -- intended as a reply to the 3rd party vote comment

Browne in 2000
Badnarik in 2004

Sam Marsh
Musician
http://www.myspace.com/screwthebastards

Obama approaches Israeli about White House chief of staff post

Obama approaches Israeli about White House chief of staff post (Rahm Emanuel has been associated with AIPAC for years)

Keep in mind that Rahm Emanuel held an Israeli passport and even served with the Israeli military. He also knocked on doors for AIPAC as a student in AIPAC's successful effort to unseat former Republican Congressman Paul Findley just because he was for balance with our Middle East policy which predominantly favors Israel (Congressman Findley later wrote the 'They Dare to Speak Out' book about the power/influence of the pro-Israel lobby - AIPAC and similar - on the US political system and media):

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=98305

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Not working...just keeps on saying "loading"

Anyone else getting this? I've been waiting for 5 mins...

ps. If you haven't seen...check out this thread for an incredible mp3 of Naomi being interviewed by Lew Rockwell.

firewall

prolly need to disable your firewall, I had to.

anyone know where the documentary is?

the full - the end of america - newest version ?

for free internet viewing?

Thx

www.baldwin08.com - Chuck Baldwin or New World Order!

Kelldor has posted it just above

Cheers.

Everyone who didn't vote for Bush has a right to attack Naomi.

Let me start the list of people who voted Third Party against GW Bush in both elections:

1) me

anybody else?

SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States

SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States

Browne & Bednarik

Obama and McCain are both Constitution violators....Obama, leaning toward Marxism, taught by and affiliated with Marxist professors. McCain violated the Constitution with his votes in the Senate and affiliated with the likes of Dodd, Kennedy and Liberman, and any other Constituion violators he could find. And don't forget, he voted with GW over 90% of the time. All bad for America, bad for the Constitution and bad for you and me. Vote Constitutional third party candidates.

Since 1992 when I was first old enough

I have voted US Taxpayers/ Constitution Party.

Not me! :(

Sincerely,
Ray Powell
http://www.RaymondPowell.com

Sincerely,
Ray Powell
Founder, Hacking For Change
Head Geek, Startbutton.com

Dr. Paul would not act this way.

What was the purpose of her coming here? It was to ask us to join her "call to a transpartisan movement of patriots devoted to restoring the Republic and the Constitution." That is a goal we share, and it's the biggest goal we need to concentrate on.

She's not asking us to support Obama. She is merely explaining why she is voting for him. That's called personal responsibility, and she feels like she owes us an explanation. That's very brave of her considering the abuse she has received in this thread. Many of you have conducted yourselves in ways unbecoming of the example Dr. Paul has set for us.

She answered honestly about her Rhodes Scholarship, and stated that at the end it was just a way to pay for college. As long as she doesn't use it to open any more doors or accept any more carrots based on that, and leaves those people behind, then I see no problem with it. I do recall that Rear Admiral Chester Ward was a CFR member for 15 years, and he quit, and became their biggest critic. Naomi Wolf has not ever has been a CFR member, but why can't she be allowed to do the same regarding her scholarship? BTW, Rhodes Scholarship does not mean you are automatically a member of the Rhodes Society. The Rhodes Society picks their members from those who had scholarships, but not all make it, and not all want it.

This is a person who has woken up a lot of people, but is still doing some waking up of her own, as she has admitted on several occasions. She is going through a journey atm. Teach her about the false left right paradigm, instead of slamming her for not yet fully understanding it. She knows about it, but still feels compelled to fall into the lesser of 2 evils trap. We lost a lot of Paulites to this trap once he dropped out. She is in the process of coming around. Anyone who listened to her recent appearance on Alex Jones would know that she still has lots of questions. She asked Alex as many questions as he asked her!

Lastly, I would say she is scarred. Scarred of America going into fascism. Alex explained that Obama has his own Nazi youth singing praises to him, and her reaction was "freaked out by that". She's done a lot to wake people up, and is a target because of it. She get's ridiculed on MSM, and wound up on the terrorist watch list because of it as well. No one here has done more than she has to wake people up. Have you written books? Have you given speeches, or gone on tours speaking at campuses across the country?

In closing, many of the reactions to her contained in this thread are very unprofessional and counter-productive to the goals of liberty and restoring our Constitutional Republic. Many of you lack the understanding that we can't do this by ourselves. C4L can't do it alone. Find allies, and look for areas where we agree, as Dr. Paul did recently with the Constitution, Libertarian, Independent, and Green Parties. Stop this Spanish Inquisition / Crusades garbage of "convert or die". No wonder we lost the primary. Would Dr. Paul act like this? No, he would not.

Be a better American!

KELLDOR FOR PRESIDENT 2012!

Sincerely,
Ray Powell
http://www.RaymondPowell.com

Sincerely,
Ray Powell
Founder, Hacking For Change
Head Geek, Startbutton.com

Well...

First of all, SHE didn't come here.

This is just a general "message" that was posted by someone else. If she really wanted a dialog, she could easily establish an account and post (even under an assumed name, perhaps "Naomi'sDog" or whatever).

Second, I think from the interview with LewRockwell, she obviously hasn't even bothered to "lurk" on any of the RP forums (nor to read RP's books, etc) -- otherwise she would have already HAD a better understanding of many of the things she is asking as questions of Lew.

I don't view all of the postings here as "convert or die" -- but rather that she should get off her butt and do some of her own "digging" and learning. While in her videos and talks she seem to emphasize that OTHERS need to do so, she herself seems to be rather (willfully?) ignorant of a number of critical areas; if she were a child, or someone working in an "unskilled" job I might be willing to be more generous; but she is purportedly a journalist, author, and scholar, and therefore deserves to have her feet held to the fire a bit more. (I mean jeepers, many of the thing she is just NOW beginning to question, I had researched and understood by the time I was 16 or 18 ...and that was decades BEFORE anything even remotely like the internet was available).

And if she has studied so little, but still wants to be held up as an "expert" on such things, then she should fully EXPECT to be harangued by people from the general public who have done more research than herself. That's what happens when you stick yourself up on a pedestal.

IMO, she should have been a better American, and learned all of this ages ago.

So in the end, I *still* say that her primary motive is to a) plug her book; and b) get people to join "her" movement.

I couldn't disagree more!

I believe she IS here to learn, share and grow. Just like I am. And I would hope that is why you are here too. She is definately "lurking". I know for a fact she is reading the posts here. She is inspired by everyone's interest and looks forward to continuing to find common ground so we can unite in our fight to take back our country!

Sincerely,
Ray Powell
http://www.RaymondPowell.com

Sincerely,
Ray Powell
Founder, Hacking For Change
Head Geek, Startbutton.com

She endorses Obama?

Then she has ZERO credibility.

http://www.mises.org/Books/mysteryofbanking.pdf

Would you trade your liberty for a flying car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsFfBB2W7IA

What if World War 2 was fought by today's teenagers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by33gZv8_BA

Absolutely

correct!

Naomi Wolf PANDERS to the Ron Paul Revolution...

should have been the title to this thread.

That little Obama-supporting whore can go shove it up her Marxist a$#!

Fascism and Marxism are two strands of statism

Calling her a whore, however, is uncalled for, and perhaps you can tell us a lot about marxism, but I doubt it. You have displayed one of the keystones for fascism, and that is hate. There's plenty of that in the mccain campaign. Why don't you talk to Joe the Plumber and tell him about whores and marxists.

%%%%%%%We need to build political strength and political will.

We need to build political strength and political will.

really?

Wow, such hate.

Not hate

truth

not hate...

...passion. I call it like it is.

Let me guess, Marxist? Obama08?

RUDE!!!

Sincerely,
Ray Powell
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Sincerely,
Ray Powell
Founder, Hacking For Change
Head Geek, Startbutton.com

perhaps...somewhat.

But if you think that's rude, wait till you experience what the Marxist will do to you in the "relocation centers".

Never seen someone so scared of a "girl" before!

Sincerely,
Ray Powell
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Sincerely,
Ray Powell
Founder, Hacking For Change
Head Geek, Startbutton.com

Not "her", Ray...

...but her ideology...which is Marxism.

Whatever you have to believe to sleep at night...

I choose NOT to live in fear. I choose to extend my hand to those who care about the future of this country. I choose to listen to them and to explain my views. In the end, they almost always get it. Some sooner than others.

Sincerely,
Ray Powell
http://www.RaymondPowell.com

Sincerely,
Ray Powell
Founder, Hacking For Change
Head Geek, Startbutton.com