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Good and bad
The good thing: it seems that intelligent, open-minded socialists may fall in love with libertarian thoughts.
The bad thing: um... the nr of.......
Oops
Ooops
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Naomi's saving grace
will occur when she takes the issues she has learned about here and in her interviews with Alex Jones, Michael Badnarik, and Lew Rockwell, and puts them front and center in the Obama camp. After all, it's the biggest camp there is (apparently). She can work for us by calling their bluff on major issues like the Fed, FISA, etc.
Wouldn't you rather see that than for her to abandon the "left" and come here to be a big fish in a (relatively) small pond? If she were to do that, the mainstream left would never pay attention to her again, and we'd lose out on a huge chance at real change.
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Instead of the oops above...
This is definitely fair enough for any human. That is what I think. Drop the impenetrable us vs them mentality, divided we will fall. Definitely hold anyone's feet to the fire, but don't burn them alive unless you absolutely have to. :)
Human intolerance too will end. Very soon.
Glad I finally listened to this.
Should be sent to all of our leftist friends.
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Great point by paulbot77
"Even leftists, like Naomi, can be critical about the loss of individual liberties that we have seen under the Bush administration, but that doesn't mean that she is not firmly grounded in the same leftist ideologies that are fundamentally at odds with the Liberty movement."
This is an excellent point and so well stated! And I and a few others here will keep the fire of skepticism glowing with respect to Ms. Wolf until time certain that we can extinguish it--and every bit of the responsibility for that belongs to Ms. Wolf herself.
I enjoyed the interview
I just Hope and Pray that Naomi truly believes Lews answers, and not just an act.
This is the greatest interview I have heard in so long
I believe there is a correlation between intelligence and willingness to ask questions even if you appear naive.
We need...
...a chatroom...
If there is one, someone please educate my laze arse. :)
A Clarification...
"They" do benefit from the financial calamity at present hand, and the benefit is exactly why it is engineered as such. The benefit is maintenance of\increase of the centralization of power, the prevention of decentralization. An actual world war killing millions upon millions in open warfare and combat fields isn't that feasible at the moment. However, a global absolute financial calamity is easy to implement for the top bankers.
There is more to this, but I'm still thinking about it... You can bet the farm that any far reaching announced and popularized by the news media "event" is not far from planning, short of most natural disasters. There is some benefit and generally that benefit is to serve collection of\prevention of dispersement of power and continuity.
Naomi is a great catalyst
What a wonderful discussion this was. I understand Naomi because I too used to be in the European progressive Left, before I discovered that I was a Libertarian at heart by the 1990s.
People like Naomi make great catalysts to secure the support of the progressive Left. Most of the progressive left have freedom at heart, but still fon't know how freedom works.
I thought Lew Rockwell was
I thought Lew Rockwell was going to put Naomi up on his knee at one point and have to explain the birds and the bees to her and so forth..
But seriously, what a great interview. I hope Naomi is busy with her homework! She has lots of it!
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Kev in Brussels
Naomi Wolf is well-spoken. As a European I can say that I find the American type of patriotism highly comparable with that pumped up in the former Soviet Union, where I studied between 1979-83 partially in Brezhnev's time.
In Europe today, American-style patriotism is labeled far-right nationalism - which is the worst political label you can get here short of "fascist".
I donated
I listened to the interview this morning and was so impressed. First it was fun to hear someone who is ticked off and is willing to ask another person what they think the answers are. Second, Lew is such a good educator. I donated for the first time right after hearing the interview.
I liked the part where she
I liked the part where she said Progressives are not knowledgeable about the Federal Reserve or economic issues.
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I'm glad she is learning about economic slavery
via money as debt and the inflation tax. This is one of the largest pieces to grasp in a journey to understand our Government. Liberty requires sound money.
There was a day when the common man could earn a penny and have a penny a few years later if he left it in a drawer or whatever....a penny saved was a penny earned Mr Franklin said. Once the Fed gets a hold of that penny today sitting innocently in your bank account for a rainy day...not so much....if you were to pull it out of the drawer after a couple of years, it will buy not what it would have when you earned it. (lately by a great deal...the war on savers) The policy of inflation, for inflation is always a matter of policy, has an added benefit to the system in that it forces investment in the controlled casino called wall street lest it be one day worthless.
BTW Ms Wolf, as to coping with the incredible pain one feels in their core as they allow themselves to wake up....we had many a thread on helping one another with those feelings in the early days on DP both for sharing and for support. I know many people, including myself, found this helpful. The "red pill" or, putting accurate history and economics with the political realities for a full picture is enlightening, also shocking, and it's a bitter pill. Find others with knowledge who are awake or waking and seek support.
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning" Henry Ford
Awesome interview!
I have so much respect for her. She's slowly waking up. Welcome Naomi, the sunlight hurts. Send this interview to all those well-meaning progressives you know!
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Naomi has long been awake
"Slowly waking up"? :)
Naomi has long woken up, but she's just woken up to the Libertarian message, which is a different type of waking up when you come from the Left.
Are you sure you can trust Naomi Wolf?
Listen, I like to hear about people becoming enlightened about the Liberty movement just as much as the next person, but are you sure you can trust Naomi Wolf? This woman has a hard-core leftist history, supports Obama like he's the second coming of Jesus, and is best friends with some of the most radical leftists around; like Erica Jong and Jane Fonda.
Here is an article about Erica Jong that was posted on Drudge today.
Erica Jong Tells Italians Obama Loss 'Will Spark the Second American Civil War. Blood Will Run in the Streets'
http://www.observer.com/2008/politics/erica-jong-tells-itali...
Here is a choice quote from the article:
"My friends Ken Follett and Susan Cheever are extremely worried. Naomi Wolf calls me every day. Yesterday, Jane Fonda sent me an email to tell me that she cried all night and can't cure her ailing back for all the stress that has reduces her to a bundle of nerves."
Even leftists, like Naomi, can be critical about the loss of individual liberties that we have seen under the Bush administration, but that doesn't mean that she is not firmly grounded in the same leftist ideologies that are fundamentally at odds with the Liberty movement.
It's possible that she is just trying to mop up the more left-leaning members of the revolution. It is to be understood now that the presidential campaign is over that there will be a lot of aimless, restless members of the revolution that will cling to an outspoken, energetic person like Naomi Wolf. That is unfortunate, but to be expected of any movement that brings together such a varied group of people.
Call me skeptical, but I just don't see the leopard changing its spots so easily. But, I could be wrong, of course, so I will have to reserve my final judgement for the future. Maybe she has seen the light. We can only have hope!
What's she going to do? Make
What's she going to do? Make you vote for Obama?
We have confronted her very mild endorsement of the Democrats and she has responded in a well-balanced, thoughtful fashion.
I don't blame people for being angry with the Democrats, but I think Naomi is reaching past her preconceived political biases.
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Did you listen to the interview?
She sounded like she was converting to libertarianism and being educated, not trying to do the converting.
She is either one of the greatest actresses of all time, or, seriously, an interested, concerned individual.
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We will find out...
the next time she speaks.
Great Interview! It was nice
Great Interview!
It was nice to hear Naomi being enlightened by Lew. It was as if the light bulb above her head just switched on. I think this interview will have a huge impact on her future endeavors.
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good interview
some points it sounded like she was thinking of her next question instead of listening to what was being said, mostly as she said something like "interesting"... I just got the impression that several times she said "interesting" she wasn't actually listening.
Other than That, it was kinda like watching bambi starting to stand up.
Enjoyed it so much, I'm gonna have to listen to it again. Good stuff.
That was a great interview.
Thanks, m72mc.
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Excellent discussion
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Michael, we don't have your permission
to be wary and to speak to what our experience has been for a couple of decades now with Ms. Wolf? My goodness...how would you have tolerated the knock-down, drag out, name-calling fights that took place between the Founders, the attendees to the Constitutional Convention, and the "stuff" that filled the newspapers of the day? Michael, you have indulged in the same name-calling and judgement of those whose opinion here does not reflect your own. Those of us here who wish to remain wary and state our reasons for doing so here--may we? And will you forgive a bit of the--as you see it--over the top criticism of Ms. Wolf by those of us who have been around just a bit longer than you and who have been waving the flag of warning for years and years and years. So what we spout off? Ms. Wolf championed for years everything most of us here abhor, so her few months' experience "seeing the light" does not impress--yet--and I will remain skeptical a bit longer, if you will allow it.
Yes, and so will I
starting to wake up at the 11th hour is ok, but to be asked to follow that person---no thanks. I have come way to far for that.
Fantastic Interview!!!
This was a wonderful exchange of ideas. A great conversation.
Every seed planted yields more return. Keep seeding...
And I am glad to hear her address democracy vs a constitutional republic, whether the "complete" idea is fully implemented with her yet or not. We all started somewhere, everyone learns. Words are very important. I could go on all day with these and they are all truth.
I have more comments on this but I am going to listen a couple more times first. Fantastic conversation!
Balance unto everyone!