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concering ivory power

Michelle Malkin's Jewish husband is the Puppet Master shes just a doll who repeats everything he says it's widley known

And I reapeat im not a nazi or a Antisemite .I just Really hate Neocon/Zionist who have hijacked the United States Governmnet by sneaky subversive greedy doggs.

Too.

The black community understands Paul's opposition to forced redistribution of wealth.

The financial community understands the destruction of people's savings through inflationary practices.

The military understand that his non-interventionist policy makes the country safer.

The jews should easily comprehend his opposition to a forcible taking of dollars from Americans to be given to any foriegn country.

I think it just needs to be explained more.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

guilt by association

"Ron Paul's PROBLEM is that his campaign's willingness to accept support from white supremacists, anti-Semites, and their ilk, renders his campaign unnecessarily, but justifiably, vulnerable to accusations of ideological sympathy for such venomous elements."

why is that justifiable? dr paul is selling a political program and people are buying it - for various reasons about which we know nothing. the moral standing of buyers doesn't affect the seller. by your logic, we should be disgusted at everybody who provides any service to white supremacists or child molesters. i am sure there are murderers donating to other campaigns (as well as paul's). so what? is campaign supposed to return the money to everybody who ever did something immoral?

i mean, i might be willing to consider that it is politically oportune to give the money back. however, i am personally disgusted by that sort of pressure.

Walter Block has already answered

I think all our comments should be worded with a minimum of caution so they can never be distorted and cited out of context in the future.

I can think of no better way to lay to rest this particular thread than to refer everybody to Walter Block's authoritative article on www.lewrockwell.com. Walter Block is a Professor at Loyola University, and one of the world's foremost living economists of the "Austrian school". He is as much of an intellectual heavyweight as you'll ever find on Ron Paul's side.

In a nutshell, three of his main points are:
- Cutting off all US financial support to foreign countries (as Ron Paul advocates) would withdraw more money from Israel's enemies than it would withdraw from Israel.
- Abolishing the income tax (as President Paul will do) would stimulate private charity, some of which would be directed to foreign countries, including Israel. The total flow of funds from the US to Israel, if you include private donations, could very easily go up as a result.
- The US government's aid to Israel comes "with strings attached", which implies that the Israelis are not allowed to deal as they see fit with some of the problems they face. Ron Paul's plan is to remove the aid and the strings.

I am obviously not doing justice to Dr. Block's painstakingly researched article, but I just wanted to give a sampler for people who are interested. After having read his pretty thorough article, I don't think there is whole a lot more to add.

The nefarious ADL will never stop

The ADL is a very powerful Non-American Nefarious organization they have no loyalty to the United States they have been linked to Espionage.As soon as the first primary is over then eveyone will have to recognize that DR. Paul is for real .He will need to have extra security possibly Secret Service . They assasinated there own Prime Minister who tried to bring peace to Israel .I really hate to lump everyone toghether I don't belive every person of Jewish heritage is out for blood but the NEOCONS,Zionist Christians like Pastor John Hagee these people are sicko's heres a video by a Jewish reporter
This is scary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig

tempest in a teapot

I really think this is bs. RP is not against Jews. He is not an anti-semite. He simply doesn't believe the American taxpayers should pay for ANY foreign countries defense. He is absolutely FOR friendship and cooperation and trade. Israel as a nation is competent. They have very educated citizens, very well-trained military and diverse resources. RP doesn't single them out for 'no aid', he also doesn't want us to support Korea, Germany, etc. Their taxpayer money should support their own countries. Maybe if we actually had money to throw around, we could afford to be generous. Right now, we need to hunker down and get back on a solid financial basis, then we can argue about which countries need/deserve our help. How much "aid" will all of these countries be sending us if our irresponsible foreign policies destroy our currency and bring on a depression? Will they be rebuilding our bridges and paving our roads?

get serious

Get serious. The actual money amount of support from white supremacists and from Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites is NOT the issue. The candidate's position on policy towards Israel is NOT the issue.

Ron Paul's PROBLEM is that his campaign's willingness to accept support from white supremacists, anti-Semites, and their ilk, renders his campaign unnecessarily, but justifiably, vulnerable to accusations of ideological sympathy for such venomous elements.

I do not know what PRINCIPLES prevent the Paul campaign from dissociating itself from white supremacism or anti-Semitism---in no uncertain words.

Is the support of such elements essential to the campaign's success? NO.

If contributions or endorsements from such elements can be identified, or are brought to the attention of the campaign managers and the candidate, of course they should be rejected. Extremists are entitled to First Amendment rights but candidates are not obliged to accept their support if offered. Candidates are entitled to, and ought to, exercise good judgment.

Neo-nazi support of Ron Paul, if the public becomes aware of it, will derail the campaign. As we know, word travels fast on the internet. I think it is imperative that the campaign inoculate itself against that lurking virus---by formally and emphatically repudiating any association with or support from white supremacists, neo-nazis, and Holocaust deniers. Don't bother to "screen" donations, but be willing to return contributions if their origin from such elements is confirmed.

The 1924 campaign of Robert M. La Follette was enthusiastically greeted with support from American communists. La Follette, although a civil libertarian, and willing to accept the support of democratic socialists, unequivocally rejected the support of the communists. A valuable precedent.

I know that some who object to this stand will say that many politicians have received support from fringe elements, and anti-American elements, and from racists, without being disturbed about it. Which kind of politician do we want to support?

Dr. Paul's supporters should realize that this question of neo-nazi support is this campaign's ACHILLES HEEL. Please take it seriously.

Technoklutz

Start with yourself.

I agree. Paul should also distance himself from more mainstream National Socialist organizations such as and AIPAC, JINSA and the various apartheid supporting Israeli lobbies. Lets start with the wealthiest Nazis first.

Rudy's advisory group is "AIPAC's Dream Team"

This is from Pat Buchanan's latest column of 11/09/07.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23352

AIPAC's Ron Paul Problem

Those people who believe we must keep Israel on welfare will vote for a different candidate, period. Paul is against all foreign aid, and there's no reason why Israel should be an exception. This is not an anti-Israel position, no matter how AIPAC tries to spin it. We don't give billions of dollars to Canada every year, but no one calls us anti-Canadian. We don't give billions to Poland, but nobody calls us anti-Polish. People who want to send their own money to Israel can do so. But why should an Arab immigrant living in Detroit have to have his tax dollars sent there?

Semitism today

In today's world if your not supporting Israel or any Jewish groups you are automatically anti-semite. Sorry but that's the truth. I am concerned that ADL might start strring up some problems for our man.

True enough, but...

A lot of people in this movement are pretty young, and WWII was a long time ago. Jews are no longer quite so convincing in their "Most Favored Ethnic Identity" status. Many young, for instance, white people, don't think of themselves as white all the time, and really could give a good goddamn whether you're Asian or Jewish or Black or Magenta. Particularly people into Ron Paul's message, a decidedly individualist one, are not going to think of people according to the groups they're born into. So, I for one think that he should ignore people who primarily identify as Jews, or any other group. If anything, he should be hostile to them, because they emphasize a collectivist mindset in their self-identification. Fortunately, Ron Paul is more naturally diplomatic than I, and he's openly hostile to almost nobody.

Quote from Dr. Paul:

"We talk about it all the time—freedom brings diversity. It brings people together. Big government divides us, and we become competitive, and we fight over the spoils."

As quoted in the USN&WR article

This is nonsense

The whole idea that I have to give grants to another country while some of my fellow Americans don't have enough food, clothing or shelter is preposterous and evil. It is not that I am for social services either, but it just makes more sense. It is not against Israel, it is pro America.

His position is right!

I am a Jewish Christian American.. I love ISRAEL... Israel is a STRONG COUNTRY.. and does not need the U.S. money..

there is NO DOUBT that when Dr. Paul is president, should Congress declare a war in SUPPORT of Israel... Dr. Paul would excute the war in a winning manner...

of that I HAVE NO DOUBT!

what more could we ask?

That is correct

We will always be friends no matter what.

Ron Paul has said this many times....

The constitution does not provide for support of other countries. Why should an average american, who is basically just making it by be forced to support another country? Better still why should our children be burden with this support when we don't have the money? This policy is insanity, we are the largest debtor nation and were handing out money we don't even have!

Mike
Ron Paul is my HERO!!!

Mike
"Fire Team for Freedom"
visit www.mikeandjake.com

Ron Paul and Israel

Ron Paul is against foreign aid to Israel, AND EVERY OTHER COUNTRY. How does that make Ron Paul anti-Jewish? American Jews, just as American Christians and American Muslims will all benefit from a Ron Paul presidency. We all want to be free.

As far as Nazi support goes, it seems that every time a neo-Nazi leader is identified, it turns out that he is a "federal informant". I am thinking about the "Reverend" Robert Millar and Andreas Strassmeir, both of the Elohim City neo-Nazi group. It was Andy Strassmeir that McVeigh was trying to call with the famous calling card.

I think the same thing can be said about the KKK. I wonder how much taxpayer money is funneld through the Justice Department to keep these racist and anti-Semitic groups alive.

It's a case of history repeating itself.

At any rate, Ron Paul's message appeals to almost everybody. I don't know how Nazis, who are totalitarians like the Communists, would be attracted to Dr. Paul. I would think that Nazis would be attracted to the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and of course torture. These laws have a lot in common with the Enabling Act passed by the Reichstag to give Hitler the powers he needed to "restore order and make the streets safe".

No problem

The current USA foreign policy does not help Israel. A foreign policy of non intervention would help Israel. The Jewish Republicans have probably been hijacked also. I do not think they represent any of my Jewish friends.

Israel can take care of themselves. Americans who wanted to aid Israel would be free to do so. Israeli and Jewish people also want Freedom peace and Prosperity. We are forcing Socialism on them by forcing them to be dependent on Aid.

We tie Israel’s hands, aid her enemies then we give Israel money to balance out the scale.

If there was no foreign intervention in the middle east things in the middle east would be a lot better.

Why do I really dislike to hear the word "Jewish or Jew" spoken as if it is some kind of a Hitler reality. It is such a generality, that it disburses people’s attention away from truth.

If a banker was bad, he is bad; it has nothing to do with who his grandmother was.

Jewish people in general do seem to have a higher rate of excelling at what ever they do. They are second only to the Scottish (hehehehehe). Perhaps 1000 years of turning the other cheek and ending up being butchered had something to do with them learning to think in survival.

So they excel at the piano, at physics, and even do a good job of being a bad banker or corrupted republican .

It is a stupid statement when you put that "JEWISH" in it.

The Jewish Republican Group that banned him made a mistake. I expect you will see their leaders blowing off shortly.

There is no problem, no need to make one out of stupid mistakes of others.

get out of mideast

this is an interesting movie that explains why the US should get out and stay out of mideast politics.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7713806100545252588

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woo hoo!

It's about FREEDOM!

Ron Paul's platform is basically freedom. That means people can be FREE to be the best they can be. It also means people are free to be idiots.

America first or Israel first?

If a jewish persons loyalty lies with Israel and not their own country then there is not much Paul can do about that. If the jewish person sees themselves as Americans first and "zionists" second then Pauls message should have the same meaning to them as anyone else. ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL... that includes jews... we are all one here in America... except for those that dont put America 1st...

Well put

If people want to support Israel in this country that can donate to organizations that help Israel. If wealthy people (jewish or not) don't have to pay absurd amounts of taxes than they can give the money that was being taxed too...

No problem.

I haven't heard any comment from Ron Paul against the Jewish people or against Israel. Of course that he wants to cut back on American taxpayers money going to support Israel, well that only makes sense. It's called Non- intervention. But that isn't because he wants to pick on Israel, since he wants to cut back on financial support by the U.S. government all around the world. We cannot be the police of the world, nor can or should it be the responsibility of the United States to finance Israel, nor umpteen other countries. Our tax dollars should go to suppport our nation, if individuals want to support Israel, England, Germany, Cuba, Korea, Vietnam ect, ect, ect... then they should be free to do so. Aren't we free to send money or move there to fight? But otherwise Israel is more than capable of supporting themselves, it is a very wealthy and fruitful country. We know they don't need military support, since it is known that they have nuclear weapons and what is considered the best Air Force on earth.
Now if we want to think on terms of religion, then according to the torah, then G_d almighty himself will provide and protect the nation of Israel, if only they put their faith in him, so I don't think they really need money.

No problem.

I haven't heard any comment from Ron Paul against the Jewish people or against Israel. Of course that he wants to cut back on American taxpayers money going to support Israel, well that only makes sense. It's called Non- intervention. But that isn't because he was to pick on Israel, since he wants to cut back on financial support by the U.S. government all around the world. We cannot be the police of the world, nor can or should it be the responsibility of the United States to finance Israel, nor umpteen other countries. Our tax dollars should go to suppport our nation, if individuals want to support Israel, England, Germany, Cuba, Korea, Vietnam ect, ect, ect... then they should be free to do so. Aren't we free to send money or move there to fight? But otherwise Israel is more than capable of supporting themselves, it is a very wealthy and fruitful country. We know they don't need military support, since it is known that they have nuclear weapons and what is considered the best Air Force on earth.
Now if we want to think on terms of religion, then according to the torah, then G_d almighty himself will provide and protect the nation of Israel, if only they put their faith in him, so I don't think they really need money.

Zionism?

I don't get Zionism. If you believe in Zionism wouldn't you also have to believe in Native Americans taking over the US with their own form of government?

think about it

Would the result of that be an improvement over what we have now? Quite possibly. By the way, scholars have noted that our colonial ancestors took inspiration for the United States from the model of the Iroquois confederation.

Technoklutz

AMEN

"Paul doesn't have a problem with the Jews, the Jews have a problem with Paul."

No problem at all...

We should stay out of Israel and their problems....

"If the people ever allow the banks to issue their currency, the banks and corporations which will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property, until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." T. Jefferson

Ron Pual and Israel

Ron Paul's anti-war stance includes Israel as rightfully it should. America should and must divorce itself from any devotion to foreign countries to the detriment of its own. This is what Ron Paul is advocating. There are many in this country whose allegiance lay elsewhere and it is this type of treachery that has chipped away at our sense of patriotism and love of country and it has weakened us as a nation. There is no room for mixed loyalities once you take the oath to protect American soil and support America's sovereignty. Dr.Paul's message is loud and clear: America first and foremost.