Should Christians vote for the lesser evil?
Submitted by wortguy on Fri, 10/31/2008 - 12:14http://www.covenantnews.com/cronkrite081007.htm
Seeking God's Blessing
How Then Should We Cast Our Vote?
By Al Cronkrite
The Covenant News ~ October 07, 2008
As I stand in the checkout line at our local Wal-Mart the lady in front of me at the register pays for her purchases with food stamps. My taxes help finance the food she is buying and her vote for the liberal forces that supply it will cancel my vote for the conservative forces that oppose it. If there are more of her ilk than of mine, the Robin Hood state will continue to steal my money and distribute it to whomever they see fit.
The upscale neighborhoods in my town are home to numerous McCain/Palin signs while the Black neighborhoods are solidly behind Obama/Biden.
Voting in the United States is somewhat similar to going to church. With very little understanding of the true objective, voters often get a feeling of satisfaction that an obligation has been fulfilled and a moral duty accomplished. Support for the two major political parties is also similar to supporting ones alma mater; it is personal, often tainted with tradition, and is vigorously defended.
Some voters cast their ballot for the man as opposed to the party, others are members of ethnic groups and tend to vote as a block, there is social pressure to vote for a particular party, local party politics sometimes mandates the vote, most are either Democrats or Republicans. The party supporters seem to treat elections like athletic contests. They exhibit a visceral hate for the opposition, inundating it with denigration and vitriol. Few have any real understanding of their proper role as a voter. There is thick propaganda urging dumb voters to vote.
One of the largest and most tragic voting blocks is the vast population of converted Christian Evangelicals who sincerely believe they can predict an imminent Second Coming of Christ. With complete disregard for their own nation they commit a grievous sin by supporting the illegitimate nation of Israel in a vain effort to help God along. With these voters eschatology trumps all else.
Another large block of voters that has a sizeable overlap with Evangelicals, maintains that third party candidates are not viable and therefore should not be supported. Surprisingly, Reformed leader Gary DeMar is a member of this group. He writes, “Many Christians are pushing Chuck Baldwin and the Constitution Party. Baldwin doesn’t have a chance, and he knows it. The system is against him. Moreover, he doesn’t have any electoral experience. The same goes for Alan Keyes who has no business running for president when he couldn’t win a Senate seat in Maryland in 1988 and 1992 and couldn’t beat Barack Obama in a Senate race in Illinois in 2004. At least Ron Paul and Bob Barr have won some elections and have a legislative track record.”
If God’s Son had reasoned like Gary DeMar, salvation would never have come to His creation! Using DeMar’s wisdom, He would have determined that “the system (was) against him” and instead of being obedient unto death, He would have made peace with the high priests, joined them and attempted to reform their thinking. Thank God Jesus did not think like Gary DeMar.
Ambitious individuals often evade difficult truth that might disrupt the steps they intend to use for their journey upward. Conspiracy theorists and third party supporters are not popular in high Christian circles. Gary DeMar has been warming himself on the embers of the D. James Kennedy ministry and could aspire to the lofty error of people like Dobson, Schlafly, Wildmon, Robinson, or the late Jerry Falwell; all were afflicted with Pragmatism, a common sin in those who aspire to leadership.
The humanistic logic Christian leaders use to justify supporting evil is self defeating. Righteousness cannot return to our nation because not enough voters support it and not enough voters support it because God’s servants put winning before obedience and reason before faith. They seem to worship a different god, one that allows support for blatant sin as long as it is the lesser of the two sins. That is not the God of the Bible! The One True God expects obedience without regard for consequences. Unfortunately, most of our blind Christian leaders are also stubborn and unteachable.
There is a widely accepted premise that the larger the percentage of the electorate that votes the better the quality of the democratic process. Each individual voter is considered important. If that bit of wisdom is correct, we are in deep trouble since the 65 percent of the adult population that voted in 1960 dropped to 51 percent in 2000 and in the 2002 congressional primaries only 18 percent participated with 39 percent participating in the election itself.
It is no wonder the population has lost interest in the electoral process. In the presidential race candidates are pre-selected; dissent from conventional wisdom is squelched by the press; and the campaign of illegitimate promises and outright lies is boringly protracted. Congressmen have designed their districts so their re-election is almost assured. Ninety five percent of them are regularly re-elected. In the late Nineteenth Century as many as a third of the House would often be replaced. Our crafty elected officials have made sure that does not happen in our time.
The congressman that represents our area was a big supporter of term limits but when it came time for him to retire he quietly continued. He was originally elected in 1989 and is now up for re-election. He is considered Conservative even though he supports the United Nations and seldom takes his oath of office seriously. He should be replaced but party politics will not allow it.
Obama is campaigning on a promise for change. Since George W. Bush’s reputation is rightfully in the tank, change is a key attraction to voters. However, the only candidate that promised real specific changes was Ron Paul. He is an America first, open market, anti-abortion, law abiding, family man who accurately predicted our current financial debacle. But he was chided by the establishment candidates, (especially disrespected by Mr. McCain) ignored by Christian leaders, and brutally marginalized by the media. If there is to be any hope for change, righteous candidates must find traction.
Our system bears some similarity to the system used in the old Soviet Union. During Stalin’s reign, candidates were overwhelmingly elected since there was only one candidate on the ballot. In the United States we have two candidates on the ballot but voters still have no choice since both candidates are selected by party leaders who got to be leaders by selling their souls to the hidden forces that control them. If you need proof of that control just consider the pressure party leaders put on our elected officials to vote for the $700 billion dollar bailout, the biggest fraud in history. They voted it down once but the majority of our elected officials have very little endurance.
A democratic form of government cannot be sustained without an informed and alert electorate. Our forefathers warned us that our government was designed for a moral people who are willing to be obedient to the mandates of the Constitution.
Centralization is anathema to democracy. Theoretically, presidential candidates are to be chosen at state conventions and delegates from each state sent to the national convention to support a particular candidate. This cumbersome system was replaced by party leaders who have vested themselves with the power to choose candidates.
Political parties distort the best interests of the nation by putting loyalty to the party above the best interests of the nation. The competitive exchanges of the Hegelian Dialectic are anathema to righteous government. On issues that involve right and wrong, long time compromises with evil will produce today’s scenario – Chaos; financially, morally, spiritually, and legally.
Christians who believe they are serving God by voting for the lesser of two evils are serving Satan instead. Righteousness and freedom are progressively obliterated when citizens in a democratic nation vote pragmatically. The only road to righteousness and freedom is pervasive, long term voting for the most righteous candidate. It is not the responsibility of the Christian voter to determine the outcome of the election. Their responsibility is to obediently pursue righteousness leaving the outcome in the Hands of The King.
Gary DeMar grudgingly admits that Ron Paul’s honesty, obedience, decent private life, and plain talk might qualify him for president but chooses instead to support the lesser of two evils acting on the bogus promises and crafty inferences that have brought our nation to its lowest ebb. He is wrong! It is this spurious reasoning that is responsible for the election of our most pernicious leaders.
President George W. Bush has arguably been the worst president in United States history. He has allowed a group of secular Zionist intellectuals to commandeer our government, sullied our image by supporting torture and aggressive warfare, engineered the potential collapse of the dollar by creating more debt than any other regime in history, peppered his administration with homosexuals, prayed to foreign gods, lied to the people, exported our industry, diminished our standard of living, abolished Posse Comitatus, allowed our infrastructure to collapse, siphoned our wealth to foreign nations, passed tyrannical laws, and through it all has swaggered like a third world dictator.
President George W. Bush, like the infamous leader of the Third Reich, received much of his support from rightwing Christians.
It is not the quantity of the electorate that is paramount but the quality. We have cheapened the vote by allowing hopelessly unqualified voters to be manipulated by an agenda driven media that studiously accommodates the mission of an elite cabal bent on controlling the world.
The two major political parties will not allow a candidate like Ron Paul to bring the change that is needed to re-invigorate our nation. Their allegiance is to the shadow government that is using and abusing our nation in the name of world government. Obama or McCain will soon become the puppet in Washington that will do the bidding of that shadowy group and, unfortunately, the one that does will be doing it with the blessings of many of our Christian leaders.
The Bible warns us to know them by their fruits. The fruits of the two-party-system are slowly poisoning our nation.
Ron Paul was able to establish the issues but had now dropped out of the presidential race apparently feeling he could be more useful as a congressman in the Republican Party. He has announced his support for Pastor Chuck Baldwin who is little known but is by far the most righteous candidate. Christians who support godly government should support Chuck Baldwin.
God cannot bless the two headed evil that dominates United States politics. Until Christians achieve the wisdom and gumption to condemn evil and support righteousness, asking God to bless America is a vain request.

















a response to this artice I thought I would share
This shows the type of ignorance from Christians we are up against, and highlights the effect of the false teachings they recieve that influence their worldview and political positions.
This was not from a friend, I had sent this as a "reply to all" on a list of Christian home-schoolers - in response to an email about how scary Obama is and how important the election was to Christians, that McCain must win, etc....
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So, according to this article, we should support someone who believes that Israel is an illigitimate nation. Gee, the last time I checked, it was the Muslims who call Israel illigitimate, among other things. I am NOT interested AT ALL in aligning myself with them. As far as the accusation that George Bush was the worst president in our nation's history, I can't help but wonder if the writer was alive during the Carter administration. Oh, I forgot, Jimmy Carter was an enemy of Israel, and is even more so now, so I guess that would make him a much better president than Bush in the eyes of this writer. No thanks. Sounds very cultish to me.
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I replied quickly, without much time or thought or charity:
Here is the Bush record not reported by the lying neo-con media that gets your attention:
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/bushrecord.html
But, he "supports" Israel, so that's good. Maybe he should move there.
So Obama and Biden support Israel too... maybe they will be acceptable to you after all?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cOJNC2EuJw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAZmO80dLfE
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Let me start by saying that as far as Bush is concerned, I offered no defense of his policies or beliefs. I simply made a statement that the writer, in making the statement that Bush was the worst president ever, chose to overlook Carter. To name just a few things that Carter managed to accomplish while in office, I would mention: 12% inflation, 21% interest on mortgage loans, and American hostages held in Iran for more than a year with a botched military attemp at a rescue where 2 helicopters collided with each other and several of our military men died. I can also mention that he was instrumental in overthrowing the Shah, who was pro-American. This was the beginning of the real trouble for the United States in the Middle East. I suspect that the writer would not choose to label an anti-Israel president as the worst president in history, but the writer of this email would. As far as Bush moving to Israel, if you believe Biblical prophecy, Israel would be the best place to live in the last days. Bush would be making a smart move if he did.
Now, let me address my shock at you believing that Obama is pro-Israel. Most Christians are very well aware of Obama's anti-Israel stance, regardless of any youtube videos that may state otherwise. In fact, the two main reasons why Christians want to see him defeated is the life issue, and the anti-Israel issue. There are many others as well. If we truly want to bring this country back to morality and righteousness, we must do it at the state level. Having someone like Obama in office will make that nearly impossible. The only reason why I say "nearly", is because all things are possible with God. The fact that you believe Obama is pro-Israel shows me that you are not well informed. I suspect it would not matter to you either way, since you agree with the writer, and the writer stated that the nation of Israel is illegitimate. I find that unfathomable.
Reading this article raised several red flags for me. The first one, of course, as you already know, is that the writer states that Israel is an illegitmate nation. I have NEVER heard that stated by any other professing Christian. The Word of God tells us to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. It also states that the Jews are God's chosen people, the apple of His eye. The Bible tells us that God will bless those that bless the Jews, and curse those that curse them. The Bible is very clear as to the role Israel will play in the end times, but, perhaps the writer does not believe this. It is hard to tell from the text whether the writer was being sarcastic or not when he mentioned converted Christian Evangelicals who sincerely believe they can predict an imminent Second Coming of Christ.
I will not mention all the items that are troubling in this article, but I would like to mention one more. The writer, as part of his argument as to why Bush was the worst president ever, stated the Bush has allowed a group of secular Zionist intellectuals to commandeer our government. The odd things is, Jesse Jackson just stated the same thing about a month ago while in France. I have heard similar statements from the likes of Louis Farrakan and the leader of the Black Panthers. I will not attack God's chosen, whether they be secular or religious. I will give you an example from the Word that will give the reason why. When Saul, after God's Spirit had departed from him, sought to kill David, and David had the opportunity to kill Saul, he stated that he would not touch God's annointed. Following David's example, I choose to support God's people and the nation of Israel.
Having said all this, I will concede that there are parts of the article that I agree with, and I believe most Christians would as well. I am not all that familiar with Chuck Baldwin, and I admit that. However, if Chuck Baldwin holds the same views that I have mentioned in this email, I believe he is every bit as dangerous as Barack Obama. I sense quite a bit of hate within this article, both against Jews and Christians. I also see another danger here. When one group of people who hold Christian principals think that they are they only ones that have it right, and everyone else is wrong, that is dangerous. Attacking Christians who support Israel and accusing them of committing a grevious sin by supporting the illegitimate nation of Isreal is unconscienable. It is my belief that that these things are not only dangerous but cultish.
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This was on Nov 1st, and I started to prepare a long response with links introducing this person to a Biblical worldview (not zionist) that she had NOT been taught in her mega-church.
But I decided to leave it alone, and didn't respond.
world-class article
I'm saving this one. THANKS
Maybe the headline should be:
"Should Christians Vote for (ANY) Evil?"
Give us clear vision, that we may know where to stand and what to stand for - because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything.
~ Peter Marshall, US Senate Chaplain 1947
The Just War Theory
No one likes war. Yet, Christianity advocates war as an acceptable action when it's the only solution. So the evil of killing is not as bad as the evil of letting evil continue.
If you accept the Just War Theory, I think it is possible that you can see that choosing the least bad candidate is a viable option.
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the war is with the STATE
not Obama.
He appeals to one side, McCain the other. They get us ready to spit on and scratch and alienate each other, then they joke about it at "roasts".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N-j0W6MW-U
This a battle of freedom under God, vs. tyranny under the state. A vote for McCain means you want the tyranny of the state and not liberty.
I grew up in a church that PREACHED these things, but most churches preach pragmatism, a "seat at the table", or no political action at all.
yes by all means vote for the lesser of two evils
evil christians should perpetuate evil by voting for the slightly lesser evil...if such a thing could be determined (I've never heard of a person capable of this, in the context of presidential elections)
non-evil christians such as myself and others, who are individualistic and anti-collectivist won't give a hoot what other christians do, cause if you're like me, you think most people are ignorant fools...and that includes christians, atheists, agnostics, buddhist, islamic, democrats, republicans, etc etc etc.
non-evil christians and non-christians will recognize the disease...they recognize the cause.
they will not be further fooled by the symptoms or the effect...
disease>>>>symptoms
cause>>>>>effect
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You do it to feel good you will have been found missing. Life is not based upon feelings.
Nice!
My eyes zeroed in on this jewel:
"However, the only candidate that promised real specific changes was Ron Paul. He is an America first, open market, anti-abortion, law abiding, family man who accurately predicted our current financial debacle. But he was chided by the establishment candidates, (especially disrespected by Mr. McCain) ignored by Christian leaders, and brutally marginalized by the media."
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DIEBOLD: "If Your Vote Counts, Then We're Not Doing Our Job."
http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr10-17-08.html
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Thank you for posting this excellent article.
I am very sickened by what I see in my area churches and hear on the local Christian talk radio...and it kills me that I actually fell for the same ploy back when Bush was running. Never again! What really gets me most is I knew about the Bush family, I knew about his father and his "New World Order" and yet I still believed that George Bush was a Christian, I thought he had a true conversion and was taking a completely different path than his father. Sadly, how wrong I was...I was duped completely and I see now how they used Christians and their beliefs to get him elected, all the while giving us a big huge dose of evil. Just last week at my church we received in our bulliten a voter guide. Guess who was in it? Only McCain and Obama and there stance on issues that matter to Christians. No mention of Chuck Baldwin, a pastor no less and pro-life, pro-constitution. Argh! The evils of "pragmatism".
Should folks park on the train tracks and go to sleep?
Even though one train is going to maybe be here in 20 minutes or the other train will be here in 2 hours?
Thank you Dr. Paul for making my act on what I already knew was right.
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great analogy
I will be using that!
Voting for the lesser of two evils is sinning.
To sin means to stray from the path of righteousness.
Voting for the lesser of two evils is sinning.
Oooo, that should be Ron Paul's campaign slogan.
No
There are no small sins and there are no big sins, they are all sins. In so much as we have a choice, and even if we didn't, it would be a sin to support and condone the leaders that we have, and to support or condone the ones that are running for the GOP and the Dems.
Looking at it as a Christian, I cannot fathom how other "christians" can be so blind in their support of McCain, it has become acceptable to condone and embrace evil and sin as a "christian" apparently, as long as you can say later that it was so the other guy wouldn't win. The ends justify the means has become a teaching of the "christian" church now, I have never found that passage in the Bible however. But, it is being taught and accepted now as "christian" to vote republican no matter what the candidate believes or as done.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making my act on what I already knew was right.
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All Sins are Equal?
I hope you are not equating all sins as being equal. It's obviously worse to kill 100 people than to kill one person. We can have a theological debate anytime, but if your vote could help undo the evil that is abortion (or at least diminish it's grip on society), wouldn't it be wrong to sacrifice that vote on the altar of self-righteousness?
The only real vote against Obama is a vote for McCain. And, yes, McCain sucks.
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wrong again
The GOP could have put the Roe vs. Wade thing to bed in W's 1st term, but they didn't. It's because the debate is good for the GOP. It brings them instant $$ and votes from the single-issue voters. You'll know an exceptional candidate on this issue when they are rejected by their own party (like Ron Paul was). Politics is a business and the GOP are not going to change a thing with your typical pro-lifer GOP candidate in office. To think that they would is beyond naive.
In mans eyes no
In God's eyes yes, I don't believe the Lord looks upon sin, as sin in different levels, it is all sin, man may look upon a kid stealing a candy bar, and a man killing, but to God I believe they are both sins, and he doesn't put them on a scale of better to worse. If you can find a scripture that states that the Lord judges sin on a scale, let me know. I don't won't to argue with you, I would sincerely like to know if you know of a scripture that states that. I beleive that man has misconstrued God's word for so long that the idea of big sin & little sin has come into practice.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making my act on what I already knew was right.
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I don't need to read that whole thing to answer your question..
to each his own..and to me it means no I will not vote for any degree of evil any more. In fact I will vote against all my guys who voted for the bailout whether that means I am voting for a squirrly democrat who wants to install socialism or not. I want the republicans to lose their arses, and be completely demolished...so that we can pick up the pieces and start over with a Constitutional stance.
any more questions like this coming down the pipe?
"Should "so and so group" vote for the lesser of two evils?"..
I agree with you
I was using this article to send to my christian friends, who are confused and misinformed, and thought maybe others like me could use it as well, so I posted here.
NO!
case closed....
vote Chuck Baldwin
www.baldwin08.com
CONSTITUTION or what ?
I'm a Christian & I will not vote for a loss, of any more freedom...A loss can translate into a non- viable candidate or a more evil vs less evil ...MY choice is as I see it ...I want to stand another day ,this day is lost,When RON PAUL dropped out ...
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I see it too
That is what I've been talking about ,THANK YOU..Don't forget the GOV't employees that want to keep their cushy jobs vote against you too...
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Torquemada/Mather 2008
Why would you even consider voting for the lesser evil?
Mao/devourerofsouls 2008
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everything is on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKxnaMeOK20
1:53 starts the song and dance
Thank you Dr. Paul for making my act on what I already knew was right.
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I don't have time to read this right now
but Christians have no problem at all-it is Chuck Baldwin without thinking about it.
Moral criteria for lesser-evils
Jesus permitted divorce, not because it was good in itself, but as a lesser evil to a hostile marriage.
God didn't nuke Niniva, which distressed Jonah (as the continued existence of N.Y., D.C., and Hollywood distresses and perplexes us).
The angel told Abraham if he could find 10 righteous men in Sodom & Gomorrah, we wouldn't nuke it. He found 1 family, and so they fled.
But I'll agree with you that we ought to vote on principle.
Yet if and/or when a cultural tipping-point comes, or a personal tipping-point, when the ageggous, atrocious insults to our life, liberty and property are either unbearable or a just war is possible, then some will choose a lesser-evil of civil-disobedience in a just-war rebelloin, or as refugees.
There is a just reason to for fighting a pyrrhic battle - Thermopoly, Warsaw Ghetto, Masada, et.
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POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Bierce
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Jesus said divorce was
Jesus said divorce was adultery. He mentions that Moses allowed divorce, requiring a certificate, only as acknowledgment of man's laws, and then repeated God's laws. And those are clear. Divorce=Adultery=Sin.
In addition, he never advocated the ideologies like "lesser of two evils", "ends justify the means", or "tipping point" type justifications. That's your own take. Attribute it to yourself.
I think you are confused on many issues.
Agreed, in Matthew 19:9 Jesus says divorce is sin
If there is a choice between two unavoidable evils, how is it not sensible or good to choose the lesser so less evil is done?
Voting for Obama or McCain isn't so much a lesser of two evils, but a sanction of two evil by denying the good that would come about if something good (i.e. Ron Paul/Chuck Baldwin, et.) was chosen.
I didn't ascribe "ends justify means" to the Bible, or "tipping point".
Jesus also said, Matthew 18:7 "Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!"
Obviously, people are going to be pushed too far, and with nothing to lose, or with no morality, they will commit evil acts. Jesus says as much here. He doesn't say it isn't sin. He says the offender will suffer. But he says its going to happen.
Ron Paul has also said as much.
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You're right about that....
You're right about that.... ''God" did nuke Sodom and Gomorrah... literally.
http://www.matthnelson.com/nuclear_holocaust_BC.html
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Wars-of-Gods-and-Men/Zechar...
http://forum.grasscity.com/general/63637-nuclear-weapons-anc...
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