It's Time to Start a New Party!
I didn't think I be saying this any time soon. Kevin Tuma you were right and I apologize to you. Even with all the gains we have made in Idaho we are still stuck with the same status quo for congress and only a few local candidates we can support.
I think Ron Paul and we miscalculated. A real but new 3rd party option would I think would do well in this climate. I have been a staunch advocate for taking over the Republicans however I see now they carry too much of a stigma for enough people to get on board with that. We played their game and they kept changing the rules on us handing us defeat after defeat, after all it is their game.
I think it is akin to trying too spot touch up old paint on a house. The new paint stands out like a sore thumb against the old paint and looks like hell. We need to paint the whole house.
If we had a 3rd party we all agreed on and put the same enthusiasm into promoting it like we did Ron Paul in the primaries I think we could have made a huge impact. Now we are scattered to the four winds on what to do and who to vote for. A new party would serve as a catalyst to bring us all back together.
The down side is; it's too late in this election season and people are burned out from it. But if we all rest up for a couple months after the election and then begin in earnest sometime in 2009 to build this party perhaps we can have an influence in 2 and in 4 years?
I think it needs to be a new party and not an existing 3rd party however if the majority wants to go with an existing party I would not be opposed to it.
Another thing is; I hope people will not wait for Ron Paul to give the go ahead since that is not his style. We just need to do it. Is anyone interested? Who are good organizers and want to get this going?
I think I am more of
the take back ALL THE PARTIES. We don't have the luxury of time so we must grow where we are planted. We must know right from wrong. We must display the integrity and consistency of Dr. Paul. We are RON PAUL, he role models what we must become Intelligent, informed,courageous and humble. We have to be like detectives because we now know how these guys tell us what we want to hear and do whatever they must to further a NWO. That will not be easy for me.
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At the grassroots, I agree
At the grassroots, I agree 100%. Run Democrat or Republican.
The reason we need an effective Third Party is for runs on executive offices, like state governorships and the Presidency.
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Nah, It's time to focus on 2010
Our concentrated efforts will be hard to deny when focused on a non presidential election year......image the senate races we could effect.
I am still on the fence
I am still on the fence between trying to take back the repubs from the ground up and going with something new. Success or failure always seems to rest on money. They have it, we don't. We need to know how much it costs to get on all the ballots, how can a third party get into the debates. How many members and how much money would it take to reach critical mass and really be able to work? Whatever we do, we must all go down the same road because we do not have enough resources to split them and still succeed.
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I think
this idea should be taken clean away from this forum. This forum is corrupt. There are two many people who are here to disrupt any influence outside of the twin parties. I would not discuss this with anyone but KNOWN Ron Paul patriots and go from there.
I know what you're saying.
I know what you're saying.
I made an Ad Hoc Exploratory Committee on Starting a New Party a week ago. My intention was a small thinktank. We have two members. Would you like to join us?
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I think what we ought to be
I think what we ought to be doing at this point is brainstorming. Get all possible ideas out on the table on how we can further our cause. Then we compare the options and make decisions.
A new 3rd party might be a good idea, but it surely isn't the only idea. Maybe there are better ways to reach our goals.
DP doesn't really seem well suited for carrying out a very focused effort.
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We should also form a
We should also form a delegation to talk to Howard Phillips.
The Constitution Party was created by Mr. Phillips as a conservative taxpayer's rights organization, not a Christian Right organization. In my opinion, it is perfectly reasonable to suggest that the party put aside the Christian Right mantle that has become its trademark, and go back to its roots, perhaps writing a more libertarian-sounding platform in the process.
We are at a crossroads, in my opinion, where the next logical Third Party move is to either (a) start our own party or (b) move our flag into the Constitution Party.
Both ideas are equally viable.
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Do you think there is any
Do you think there is any possibility of uniting two or more of the current third parties into either a new party or a modified existing party?
For example, how far apart from each other are the Constitution Party and the Libertarian Party? Are they close enough in their beliefs to be able to unite under the same banner? I've never conducted a detailed comparison of those parties, but I plan to. Maybe someone already knows the answer to this question.
The LP & CP admittedly both wanted Ron Paul as their nominee. I contacted both parties back in January to see if they would officially rally behind RP, considering that they both wanted him as their candidate. Neither would do so. I feel that if both of those parties put their support behind RP at that critical time that he would have gotten a lot further, maybe he would even be the nominee and on the ballot tomorrow. My thoughts are that if Ron Paul was good enough to represent both of those parties, then why should they not be able to unite under the common causes that Ron Paul is fighting for?
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I believe, after the Bob
I believe, after the Bob Barr debacle, that the Libertarian Party is a lost cause. I still supported them this year with many of my votes for legislative offices.
But I can't see any bright future; they've "jumped the shark" at a time when everyone was watching, and there is major PR damage. Further, they have absolutely failed to make any connection with this movement--- and the Ron Paul Revolution is much bigger than the Libertarian Party ever has been, or ever will be.
What's going to happen, in my opinion, is that when a Third Party that has the right stuff rises up, the libertarians will follow. So rather than trying to merge the Constitution and Libertarian Parties, the Constitution Party should be working frantically to rewrite its platform to appeal to Libertarians who are already interested in their party and Chuck Baldwin.
Whether they will do that is very important, but my guess is they will listen to our group input. They certainly should.
I think we should be outreaching to the CP, as well as planning to form our own party as a logical option and contingency.
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Brainstorming is good. I
Brainstorming is good. I think DP is a good place to start but we definitely need a a website at some point. There are lost of ideas and essentially CFL is a good start for a new party but that is not its intention or goal howeverI think it ought to be.
Ron Paul and CFL have really laid the ground work for a 3rd party and done everything it requires except declare itself a 3rd party even asking people to vote 3rd party. I do not think they will become a 3rd party so I think we need to start one ourselves.
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glad to see you say this
I was worried about you wanting to take over the republicans, congratulations on seeing that it is pointless, and they don't want to be anything other than what they are.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making my act on what I already knew was right.
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Don't like the other conversations going on. This one is a must.
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I agree
Over and over and over again.
Tonight at a family gathering, all of whom we got to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries, are now sporting McCain. Back again to the old black/white paradigm. The massive onslaught of campaign propaganda worked well to make them all choose a side on the illusionary fence once again.
It was like being awake in a dream.
Considering the Republicrats make the rules regarding debates...
..and almost everything else involving the election process, I think it is time to tear them both down first. When one or both are weakened, perhaps a third party can get some air-time and attention.
Till then, any and all third parties will be shuffled to the bottom of the deck and left there.
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I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
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What I would like to see
Is a Third party coalition. We have an election, the way an election should be that we do within our party for all candidates other than dems and reps. We make it clear what our common goals are, like the C4L did. We elect one person, either liberal or conservative or in between, just one person and run that one person against the twin parties. We have this election in all 50 states. We have it one year before the general election so that the chosen person is able to totally compete with the twin parties in campaigning around the country and raising money, etc.
You don't put new wine into old wine skins.
Can someone list the requirements to be recognized as a legitimate, 50 state party on all ballots and in all debates?
Yes, have third parties run
Yes, have third parties run under one banner. But keep the state parties. We can get someone to run in the Democratic and Republican primaries for every office. Should either one get the nomination, we all back that person. However, I know there are many states that don't allow candidates losing in major party primaries to run again as an independent or third party candidate; in that case, maybe a sit-in for that candidate could be discussed. For races like Governor or President, unite the left and right by assuring that they both get on the ticket.
Hawkeye, I have advocated a
Hawkeye, I have advocated a new third party for months. Taking over the Republican party also means taking over their reputation which is not necessarily a good one.
I like the name Patriot Party...I'm not 'burnt out' on the idea of moving a mountain..I am 'burnt out' with jousting with windmills.
We're getting very nowhere very fast with that approach.
Let's DO IT...let's start immediately.
Hold tight.
Barack Obama will manage to transfer the stigma to the Democratic party over the course of 8 years. The Republican party will be ineffective after four, and we will have our time in the light in 2016. As long as we are patient. Patience is key.
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the elite are going to give up their two little parties that they have held for decades?
Yep, we Third Party folk are the dreamers--GOPers are realists.
All we really have to do is wait for Liberty to fall into our laps from the GOP losing one presidential election.
The Wall Street billionaires, David Rockefeller, the Bilderbergers, Project for a New Century, Big Oil, and the entire military industrial complex will bend down and lick our boots in submission if Obama wins.
And they'll say "Please sir, take our unused political party and lead us, for we are too weak and lacking in financial resources to stop you."
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I agree Kevin we need to get
I agree Kevin we need to get back to the creativity that shown in the movement early on to get around the corporate media etc. Or use the ones we came up with more effectively.
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
Get Prepared!
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End The Fat
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Because...?
We're obviously not a united movement, we just happened to be united behind one man but when it comes down to the issues we're fairly divided, as can be seen by the number of people on the dailypaul supporting Nader.
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You are right
There will never be a competing 3rd party. Either we get a real candidate in the Republican party or some very rich person who holds Dr. Pauls views and is willing to spend $100 million of his own money runs as Libertarian, Constitution, or an independent.
Three Disparate Niche Political Movements Could Unite as One.
Ralph Nader is a leader of the progressive American Left.
The Libertarian Party is anarcho-capitalist.
The Constitution Party is Christian Evangelical.
These are three energetic movements that are all a bit out of touch with the American public, and, I would argue, even with this movement as a whole.
The movement is splintering now into these three camps (or four camps, allowing for the large number of Republicans who still believe their party is redeemable).
What the Ron Paul movement and many millions of Americans want is their liberties back, .first and foremost, plus the fruit of their labors through the abolition of the Income Tax, plus peace and posterity via the end of the neocon's imperial dream.
One movement is needed...one banner...one party. The party does not exist now, but that doesn't mean it can't, if we have adequate vision.
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Be careful
about calling Constitution party Christian Evangelical. The faction of Christians who belong to the National Council of Churches is being called Evangelicals because it includes the tv evangelists. Constitution Party is NOT those people. Those are NWO, One World Government, One World Religion people and that is NOT Chuch Baldwin.
I was under the impression
I was under the impression Chuck identified with Evangelical Christians because Falwell was his mentor. But I could be wrong.
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There are good evangelicals too
but, the problem is that people who point out Christians who want to usher in the apocalypse (and those people do not include Baldwin) call those Christians evangelicals. It is not well named because that includes many Christians who are not into the NWO. The ones who want to usher in the apocalypse are NWO.
OK, well, as you know I
OK, well, as you know I support Chuck.
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