Time for a Third Party Declaration.
While twilight descends upon the broken remnants of American Liberty, I have to turn forward in introspection.
This Election Day is a very dark day for the people of the United States.
Those of us who want to renew our freedoms and Liberty stumble onward in the darkness.It's time for some sort of logical sensibility, and, really, a renewal of cause.
While it's a very good thing to invade the Congress and our state legislatures from the two established parties, the only answer to taking back the federal government, now that the Separation of Powers has been thrown away, is through the White House.
The only way to take back the White House--problematic as it may be--will be through a single Third Party. Not through three or four of them, and most of all, not through the Republican Party.
The Ron Paul Revolution of 2007-2008 is living proof that working through the two party system will not work when it comes to electing a President. This movement had the best of all imaginable candidates--a great Congressional statesman with a sterling record; a man of ethics, capable of leading a crowd with gentility, wisdom, and candor. Far from a typical bureaucrat or toady, he inspired love and respect from his followers. He inspired the youth of America. He had some of the most energetic supporters and volunteers of all time. His road signs plastered the highways and main streets of America. But he could not crack open the door to his own chosen political party. He didn't even come close, in fact.
Instead, a man with one tenth his intelligence and character--a belligerent, childish little man--took the nomination that should have been rightfully his. As a result, the worst President in American history is about to be followed up by a man who is even scarier.
But this fight is not over. It's only beginning.
I can assure you four years from now, in 2012, I am going to be fighting for a political cause with all the breath in my body, and I am not going to be working within the Republican Party. Nor some ill-fated notion of taking it back to conservative "roots" that never existed.
I will not be supporting the Republican Party. I will be attacking it. Why? Because it stands for Tyranny. And betrayal.
Two great men, Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater, both tried to break through the corruption of the GOP and lead it to serve the cause of Liberty. One of them was elected President, and one of them wasn't. Both failed. Reagan succeeded in attaining the White House only to be outfoxed and manipulated by the people who really run the party behind the scenes--and those who own it.
If you want to take back the GOP, have fun, but do kindly get out of my way. If not, you'll be standing in front of my front sight.
Furthermore, from this day forward, I do not consider myself a conservative. I consider myself a protector of the Constitution only, and not a participant in the Right-Left paradigm.
I am not a Libertarian any more than I am a conservative. I am only a conservative in context of conserving the original intent of our Founding Fathers. I am only a libertarian in the context of liberating the minds of people who believe in statism. Neither philosophy rules or guides me. Conservatism and libertarianism, by now discredited in the political arena, are not worthy to lead me.
I serve only the Declaration of 1776, written by Jefferson, and the Constitution, written by Madison, Franklin, and Mason. Both documents, truthfully, are not extreme enough in their protection of Liberty, but unless and until we have to write new ones again in the future, they are good enough for now.
There is no political "Right" for me--there is only right or wrong. Liberty vs. Tyranny. Freedom or slavery.
Many of you reading this may share my cause for Liberty. The only way we will ever see one of our own elected to the White House in our lifetimes is from behind the mantle of a single constitutionalist Third Party.
I am going to search for and seek out that Party, and when I find it, I will carry its banner. Will you join the march?
Will you sign onto a constitutional Third Party declaration?
Is there such a thing as
Independent Party or write-in individuals maybe we could get around some of these election laws. If we were really organized we could get something going.
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I'm all for breaking down the power of the republicrat parties - they are far too concentrated for the health and stability of our great nation, but I don't think it's realistic that we can do so by concentrating the third party power into a single entity.
How can we take the ideals of the various third parties (like strict government regulation on environmental and consumer issues, decriminalization of drugs, gambling and prostitution and dictating our reproductive and religious choices) and put them under one umbrella? It can't happen without someone feeling disenfranchised.
Ron Paul was not the perfect candidate, but his vow to adhere to the constitution and not try and run our lives cast a large umbrella over many of us, and I think he could have won had he been dis-associated with the GOP.
I would like to see us unlock the individual parties. Keeping with the current rules for candidacy, allow a person to declare himself or herself a candidate, but not for any particular party. Have the parties 'adopt' the top 4 candidates that best fit their platforms for the primary elections. A candidate may end up on the list of more than one party, and some parties may actually nominate the same person. That would serve to concentrate the power for that candidate (not necessarily the party). In the end, we may end up with 3-4 choices on our ballots, but they would be better choices than we usually get because we would have removed a lot of the political game-play. Don't know how viable the idea is - just my thoughts...
We Have Three Big Obstacles.
-One, Voter fraud, via Diebold. This year it was very obvious, and, in my opinion they not only squashed us on Election Day, they squashed Ron Paul in the primaries. I think we were cheated on a massive scale. And it's not just a Third Party issue; this disadvantage is just as bad if we try to elect a GOP president in 2012--if so, the exact same thing will happen again that happened to Ron Paul this year.
In fact, if I believed the primary elections were honest, I would join the pro-GOP chorus. The people who think we can take over the Republican Party in the next few years mean well...but they are naive. They haven't thought this through. It's a rigged game--you might as well be planning to break the bank in a Mafia-run casino playing Blackjack. They essentially make their own house rules, and they cheat at the same time.
-Two, Money. If we could bring back the Money Bomb, a new third party would have a chance. The reason the Money Bombs dwindled is that, in pragmatic terms, there was no leadership. Ron Paul effectively ended his campaign at the beginning of March and the money stopped flowing in almost immediately.
Money is actually our least problematic obstacle...but without it we'll go absolutely nowhere, so it's still an important matter.
Three, Mainstream Media. The "journalists" of our mainstream Press essentially function as gatekeepers for the New World Order. We have to make an end run around the mainstream Press.
We need a TV news network of some type in cyberspace. The only reason I suggest cyberspace is because the real TV stations cost many millions of dollars to acquire. We need to start something that runs, a la Youtube, at pennies on the dollar--but which looks professional and polished at the same time. We have to create our own media as well as our own party.
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All Valid Points
But you haven't addressed the biggest obstacle - how do we form a single party that encompasses a very broad spectrum of ideals?
The C4L pledge was a great first step in drawing attention to the existence of a third party alternative, but how would we put all the supporters of these 4 parties together in a room and ask them to develop a single platform?
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Ballot access laws skewed to disfavor anyone but Republicans and Democrats.
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Well said.
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What about an "umbrella party". Basically a shell of organizational agreement uniting the existing third parties. The combined resources of the greens, LP and CP, plus the many smaller parties, should be enough manpower to make one ticket viable. Use Dr. Paul's 4 point press conference of September 10, 2008 as the starting point, and think in terms of dividing up regions.
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So you all still
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I haven't learned that running GOP is any better.
How many of our candidates were elected today?
Did running Republican help Ron Paul win the Presidency? Nope.
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Well said Kevin
I am with you.
Agreed.
But you have to start now not in 20012.
That's absolute. We should
That's absolute. We should start today.
My reference to 2012 is simply that I take the Presidency more seriously. We no longer have any separation of powers, and even when we did, the job of the Commander in Chief was as powerful as any King.
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No kidding
Who wants to wait 1800 years?
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Well, you know I'll be beside you
Doing what I can to try to change this country but - as you know I think it's a lost cause. I think that our government is controlled by the elite and they are never going to allow anyone to be in the white house who is not hand picked by them. For me it's not about fixing the 2 party system it's about finding the guys who pull the strings and stringing them up.
But your passion and love for this country always makes me want to do whatever I can to make my country better. So, who's that next to you? Oh yeah, that's me. :)
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We are leaning that way also.
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Work is needed in each state
Work is needed in each state to REMOVE the two parties from our codes. Yes, they are in our codes and laws. This is unconstitutional and we must work to eliminate the duopoly.
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Hawkiye, I'm not sure I disagree.
But I am not giving up, and I am not going to crouch and lick the hand that feeds us.
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I think our first and
I think our first and foremost agenda should be to ban electronic voting and revert back to paper ballots. The propensity for fraud to occur is too high to risk having the electronic machines. Start whatever party you want, but unless you are getting a valid vote count, it won't matter.
Damn Straight.
I was trying to get people on Ron Paul boards to listen on this issue before the New Hampshire primary. I believed then--and I believe now--that Ron Paul could have been cheated using touchscreen vote machines.
This is also one of the problems with working through a big party. Everyone in the large party uses the machines.
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One more thing
need to switch to instant runoff where you can prioritize candidates. That way, you can truly never "waste" your vote.
Too bad Baldwin's and Barr's numbers weren't a little higher. On the positive side, they appear to be the margin of victory for Obama in some tight states. I know that's falsely assuming those votes would go republican, but you get the point.
I share you sentiments.
I share you sentiments. however I am not sure I share you optimism.
I am sickened and saddened by today's events. This election only served to reinforce that we are surrounded and by a nation of idiots and fools easily manipulated and brainwashed by anything the sparkles and glitters.
We who love liberty and can reason a use logic and not be led by the nose by every whim of media byte are a tiny minority.If there were somewhere to go I would go there but there is no place on the earth where one can go and live in peace and liberty without some entity harassing him or her and trying to impose their will upon you.
I will work toward the same goal but I doubt we have the time. However I will prepare to fight for liberty in all ways necessary including taking up arms.
I hate to say it but this country needs to crash and feel the pain of the consequences of its fools an idiots and I fear that is the only way we may get a chance to return to our founding principles because there is just not enough of us to effect change otherwise.
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Another One?
Don't we have enough "third parties" already?
The neocons will leave the Republican Party now that the base of power has shifted back to the left wing of the Democrat Party. They are largely former Trotskyites anyway.
Now with the neocon leadership discredited or gone, the Republican sheep may hear the voice of us kind, faithful Ron Paul Republicans more readily. There is going to be a lot of re-thinking and reexamining going on in the GOP.
Join your local Republican Liberty Caucus, and get involved in re-educating the traumatized Party.
Your in dreamland my friend
Your in dreamland my friend I watched my local republicans reelect their bailout congressman and all give speeches business as usual they have no clue what is coming they think everything is fine and even called today historical for electing a black man and acted like it everything is normal.
None of these people will get it or wake up until they feel some serious pain and them most of them will probably clamor for more government and regulation to "fix everything"
We need to face the reality that we are far outnumbered by fools and morons who will vote for their own demise and clap and cheer when their vote succeeds.
This is the end of America as we know it. All I can say is get prepared because the shit is that much closer to hitting the fan now as these idiots consistently support the destruction of our once great republic with their ignorance and shear stupidity !
I think even many Ron Paul supporters are in denial also. The economy is still collapsing the dollar is still heading to worthlessness, are rights are still under assault and dwindling daily etc. etc. etc...
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I'm skeptical that there's
I'm skeptical that there's going to be much GOP reexamination. If there is it will only be at the grassroots, not in the run for the White House.
They had at least two years to reexamine supporting Bush when it became painfully obvious that he was a millstone around their necks. They never stopped licking his boots. When Nixon became as unpopular as Bush, a delegation of Congressmen marched up to the White House and asked for his resignation.
The Republicans defeated themselves tonight. Why will they listen now? They saw it coming a long time ago and did not change. If McCain--empty suit that he is--had broken stride and attacked Bush, he would have won.
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Though
one can understand your skepticism, I would not rule out the GOP returning to its roots. One should not despair just because in one election cycle not the right choices were made. In 1960 Goldwater also could not break through - though there was a lot of enthusiasm and in 1976 Reagan also did not give up and joined a third party.
A third party is good for some influence, but face it, if you go third party it should be aimed to WIN, not to simply "send a message". The Independence Party in Minnesota is scoring double digits, which is a basis to work from. You have to get rid of third party division and infighting.
The enemy is NOT the Republican Party or the Democratic Party as such.
It is rather those authoritarian elements within the two major parties, and you can fight them within and from outside the party.
Speculor, you just said it again.
The GOP's conservative "roots" do not exist. The party has always been the type of party it is now, ruled by the filthy rich and corrupt. Or would you call Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, George Herbert Walker Bush, and his inarticulate idiot son conservatives? Richard Nixon not only took us off the gold standard, he created wage and price controls!
If you define 'conservative' the way the media does--right-wing military jingoism wrapped in the flag--then, yes, the GOP has definite conservative roots. If you define 'conservative' as meaning smaller, less oppressive government, the party has never done anything but wag its tongues that way to get elected by the poor rubes on Main Street.
At the federal level, GOP conservatism is just a rhetorical exercise, and it's been that way forever. That's why Ron Paul left the party the first time around.
The correct term for the Republican Party, historically, would be 'Socialist Party B'.
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Check out the original third party,
The Anti-Masonic Party.
America has never come closer to stopping them than it did over 160 years ago - and most Americans have never heard of it.
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I Was..
amazed when I heard about the Anti-Masonic party..
..and it's history/what became of it..
I know one mason who is in the department of homeland security..
He strongly supports the constitution and asked me once if I knew why people hated the masons.. I told him I didn't know but hinted a little here an there to him about oaths of allegence etc..
I did ask him why, if he supported the constitution, he would join an organization that violates the constitution in some if not all that they do - his answer was that they called him.. :)
I also know someone whom I had worked with who really disliked the masons and he thought he came off as sounding crazy because of it. I printed the antimasonic party info off wikipedia for him
Don't know where i'm going with all this; just throwing it out there.
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I'm interested in something
I'm interested in something that reaches out to more people.
I don't buy Masonic conspiracy theory.
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