Two Different 9/11 Stories; Live and Produced
1) The story reported live, included explosions, witnesses of explosions, and Israelis arrested with explosives. It cost virtually nothing to produce. It was witnessed live and recorded live.
2) The story reported afterwards, cost millions of dollars to produce, took seven years, consisted of literally thousands of pages of text and programmed super computer models, all trying to explain how fire brought down 3 steel frame skyscrapers;
a) When steel skyscrapers have never collapsed from fire, anywhere in the world, ever.
b) When steel skyscrapers completely burning out, 15 times as long, never collapsed.
c) When steel skyscrapers directly hit by airplanes, had fires put out, closed for two weeks, then reopened.
d) When the World Trade Center skyscrapers were specifically designed to survive direct hits from airplanes.
Do you believe the story that was reported live and unedited, or the one that cost millions of dollars and seven years to produce?
This is too complicated...try this
(remember complexity is a method used to control human beings...people can't figure it out and change the channel) 98% of the 9/11 argument introduces complexity. The "movement" has been "taken over." This can be explained by the movement's lack of focus on WTC 7.
Try this approach instead.
We all know Dr. Paul and have done solid long term research on the Doc and his approach. It is clear that the Doc is a THREAT to our current system.
Early in the primary campaign the
The New York Times Owned by Mr. Sulzberger
Fox News owned by Mr. Murdoch
The LA Times owned by Mr. Zell
The Washington Post partially owned by Buffet principal shareholder
and others, did a team job on Dr. Paul. They hosed him. You want to debate this? Get outta here.
Now what doe this give you and me?
It tells you that the media is controlled.
That the media is a tool
That the media DOES not act independently
That the media used as a tool by men who do not want a country ruled by law
That short list of media owners can be easily researched. You can see their work on editorial pages and their personal political contributions.
Mr. Zell and Mr. Murdoch and the rest of them are fully behind Mr. Obama who is advised by a Trilateralist (Brzezinski, the AIPAC and one of it's leaders is the new chief of staff).
No secrets here. No missing missiles. No unsupportable conclusions. Just an eight month hose job on Dr. Paul by the above listed soon to be in jail media owners.
Now, the whole 9/11 thing was "managed" by the media and the government...duh.
Come on now the NIST took 7 years to tell me that WTC 7 was brought down by waste basket fires on the middle floors.
So what you are trying to tell me is this.
The media lied all the way to the bank about Dr. Paul...and I mean they hosed him in every way possible.
Bu the media was telling the truth all day long on 9/11.
You may be selling But I ain't buyin'.
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The live story was truth, explosives were witnessed and found.
Too complicated? Your post is more complicated than the original post.
The media are not involved, they just report the official story they are told.
Something of this magnitude could not be shared with anyone, nor could the media be told how to report it while it was happening live.
But after 9/11, when the government began to put out it's "official" story, that's the one the news picked up on and parroted, ignoring the story they had reported live; just like everything else.
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I wish that I...
...had time to go back and find my source...but I recall hearing/reading that at the time (Sept. 2001) there were 7 Global Hawks in existence. In a 2002 audit, 2 were unaccounted for. It was alluded that those are the two vehicles responsible for the Pentagon (14ft. hole) and the smoking field in PA.
As to what happened to the REAL planes and the REAL people...all is conjecture at this point in the story. However, I can NEVER, EVER underestimate the evil of men. I truly believe that, during the mandatory landing of everything in flight, those planes were diverted to military bases where the passengers were gassed or shot as collateral damage. Never underestimate the evil of the men behind this curtain.
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As for me and my home, we will be buying ammo!
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Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.
"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry
How's this?
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=6636
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The Specific Details of 9/11 Do Not Matter & May Never Be Known
The single important fact for Americans to learn about 9/11 is that explosives were used to bring down the World Trade Centers. We don't need to know all the details, because it is also a fact that despite the evidence of explosives, the witnesses of explosives, and Israelis arrested with explosives;
The United States government specifically DID NOT and refused to investigate whether explosives were used; in ALL of the government investigations.
Once you realize that, along with the details of fractional reserve banking and the Federal Reserve, you will realize that the United States government has been financially taken over.
The only thing stopping a complete take over is the right of the American people to bear arms.
But what does it really matter if Americans do not use their arms, but instead sit idly watching TV, while America is taken over, robbed, and destroyed from within financially?
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Live or Production? What do you believe?
It comes down to just using common sense, and deciding what you believe more; live footage or a 7 year, muilti-million dollar production.
Even after 3 months at Daily Paul, I could not accept that 9/11 was anything else than the production we are supposed to believe.
Then I took a moment to watch this video of Physisist Steven Jones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JqFry01r2U
And review this NASA thermal imagery here:
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html
That's what opened my mind. Maybe it can be a good start for you too.
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Has anyone been able to surmise
what happened to the four commercial flights?
1 - shot down, 1 - crashed into Pentagon, 2 - crashed into WTC
I have not seen any reliable evidence to suggest otherwise.
Who was onboard them, if anyone, is another story.
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evidence has been withheld
There was no NTSB investigations into any of the flights, contrary to long-established LAW and none of the serially-identifable parts from ANY of the planes has been produced as public evidence.
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"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self sustained." -Mahatma Gandhi
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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy
Check out my post from awhile back:
9/11 Somerset PA testimony
www.dailypaul.com/node/70843
1 shot down...
where is the debris?
1 crashed into the pentagon...where is the debris?
2 crashed into the wtc...maybe, maybe not...
let's focus on the first two...answer those two questions and we'll revisit the wtc with a new perspective
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Live news footage - debris scattered over 3 to 4 miles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc
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Donald Rumsfeld "accidently" saying flight 93 was shot down"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADvBm334UDk
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Watch a plane atomize as it smashes into wall at 500 mph:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25vlt7swhCM
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Umm...
well 157 different camera angles.. and not one that shows definitive proof of a 757.
Not to mention that a 757 would rip apart at that speed with the air density what it is at 100ft.. so it's doubtful that a plane of that size actually hit the pentagon.
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Well, I watched the videos of the Pentagon security cameras.
All the ones claiming that no plane can be seen, so there must have not been a plane. Then I calculated the distance the plane would have traveled and the speed. What I found was that even at 24 frames per second it would be very unlikely to capture a frame with the plane in it.
Not to mention, those security cameras usually don't run at anywhere near 24 frames per second. I've heard about the air density too.
But I'm open to looking at more evidence.
If there is one place a plane did not hit, it would be the Pentagon, I have no doubt that planes hit the towers.
So far, I've seen a lot of evidence claiming a plane did not hit the Pentagon, but nothing I've seen has been conclusive.
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here is the problem with your logic...
every wal-mart in america has 18-21 cameras trained on their parking lots (go to yours and check if you don't believe me)...the pentagon is the most surveilled building in the world with 183 cameras trained on every part of it (not to mention its very own missle defense system to guard against "incoming" threats) ...ask yourself why you get one bad angle film with broken images to convince you a plane hit the pentagon...then, ask yourself why you even care about this bull-oney and why you spend your time figuring out 24 frames per second speed of incoming jets and how they could not "fit" into an obscure angle...ask yourself why you don't demand to see unchallenged proof...oh yes, it is out there...well, maybe not now but it WAS out there at one time (before it was probably destroyed)...shrimpeternal
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I wonder why then ...
Why did'nt the Pentagon release the video as-is. The tape we're all seeing is slowed down to show what, maybe 5 frames, and then after impact, they go back to normal speed. I want to see the tape from start to finish at normal speed, not tampered with. I will not be satisfied until they release a full unaltered tape.
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I certainly agree with that. They should not be hiding anything.
Obviously, the only reason our government would hide something from the people is to deceive them. They certainly did not want us to know that Israelis were arrested on 9/11 with explosives, nor even that explosives were used - they never even investigated.
Apparently our government does not dare attack Israel, because they have nuclear weapons, and are supposed to be an ally.
I'm just saying I have not seen any solid evidence that a plane was not also flown into the Pentagon. At the speed it was going, the type of damage caused would not be as expected, nor would it be easily captured on security cameras. I'm not willing to say it definitely was a plane either, just that I've seen no completely convincing evidence either way, as we have about explosives.
The often shown security camera footage is not in a position to even capture a single frame of video of the airplane at flight speed across such a short area.
That's why you only see a blur, then an explosion. The white object that some people claim is the nose of the plane is false. The media misreported that object as the nose of the plane. That object was moving at a very slow speed and was most likely a vehicle on the road.
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I'm not really sure I saw even a blur
I believe they took frames out. I'm not convinced that the tape, even if they're trying to do us a favor by slowing it down for us is full and complete. I think they "educated" this tape so the general public will go back to sleep.
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actually
Cameras at sensitive facilities are very capable, and at the speed which that plane is capable of at that altitude there would have been many frames.
At the altitude impact from a comercial airliner would be no faster than 300 mph, at that speed Impact might very well take a full second. At very least half of one.
That is twealve frames, from many many cameras and many different angles.
Simple answer - there was no plane at the pentagon. That is fact which can be proven easily.
The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare
Please easily prove it then. I have seen nothing that does.
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you can not prove a negative...
and i don't buy their bullshit either...and you sound like a smart person so you either do not buy it or are part of the coverup...which is it?
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No problem
Though if you have been reading all the avalible evidence I am just rehashing very old facts.
No Substantial wreckage, nother even remotely resembling every other plane crash ever recorded.
No engines, not the right engines anyways, avionics engineers have already cited this. No entry holes for engines, comercial airliners are not pocket knives they do not fold up to slide into a smaller hole.
Avianic facts like speed and flight capability. The said plane is simple not capable of doing what they claimed, that my friend is fact. Lower altitude air density is to great for large planes to fly any faster than 250-300 mph without ripping themselves apart. Large airlines ascend to higher altitudes in order to fly faster as the atmosphere is thiner.
Top pilotes claimed the fligh manuevers were impossible for the best pilots much less someone who could not even fly a small cesna well enough to pass an exam after many attempts.
Refusal to present any of the dozens of camera shots that could vindicate them speaks for itself. Not to mention the confiscation of videos from other buildings outside the pentagon.
If you havent seen the obvious truth that 1+1=2 then the fault lies in you not the over abundance of indisputable evidence.
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Links ?
1. " Avianic facts like speed and flight capability. The said plane is simple not capable of doing what they claimed, that my friend is fact. "
2. " Lower altitude air density is to great for large planes to fly any faster than 250-300 mph without ripping themselves apart. "
Could you please supply links to substantiate these 'facts' ?
If someone's intent is to fly a plane into a building as fast as possible, they are likely not too concerned about over-stressing the airframe in the process !
I believe
all the aformentioned facts can be found at the scholors for 911 truth site or links found therin.
Sorry but I will not hunt down links time and time again whent hey have been rehashed here countless times.
There are simply to many shills here that will start new subjects to prop up their agenda. Briefly to disminate their lies in hopes that those spreading the truth will not reply this time.
The info is easily googled. If you were really interested in the truth you would know that and have done so, or will do so now.
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Thank you, SameCoin
I have tried, unsuccessfully, to find any verification of the kind of information that you offered as 'facts'.
So, for now, I will continue to consider the aforementioned statements as opinions, not 'facts'. And opinions are like .... you know ! We all have them, and one person's opinion is just as valid as the next.
Call me a shill ... call me anything you choose. That seems to be a common response when anyone questions some of these 'facts' which are thrown around, but that doesn't add any credibility to the claims.
This isn't like a usual plane crash.
If it was a plane, it went straight into the building, intentionally.
Normally when there is a lot of scattered wreckage, it's when the pilot tries to avoid crashing, slowing down as much as possible, trying to land, and avoiding any buildings. Slow speed and slow impacts result in the plane ripping up and a lot of scattered wreckage on the ground.
Last time I looked at the footage and videos I did see parts recovered, and I did see a hole that was larger than the film was trying to make it sound. At the speed the plane was going at, I can see it acting more like a missle in penetrating the building, with the nose creating the hole, and the rest of the plane crashing through as it explodes.
The Pentagon was not constructed like the World Trade Centers, it was pretty much a reinforced bunker.
Do you have some good photos or videos that support what you are saying?
Maybe I have not seen them.
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Sorry but no
a Thousand times no....
Google the information its easy to find.
And sorry but that you could even assume for an instant that the wings would fold up and pass into the hole provided makes me believe your just another disinformation agent.
So how about you good this phrase ( +"911 truth",+pentagon, +evidence" )
You will find more information then you can filter through in a day.
The hole was about 12 feet across btw, there are crystal clear photos of this before the wall colapsed. so If you can tell me how a plane 120 ft wide and over 40ft tall fit through that hole with out some nonsense of the plane being a folding knife then you win the lotto.
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Plane disintegrating or "atomizing" when hitting concrete wall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25vlt7swhCM
The only reason the wingtips dont disintegrate is because they are wider than the piece of wall.
No parts left!
I never said the wings folded up? It's like you're arguing with someone else that has not even posted?
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