The STATE Desires Divisions and We Play Into Its Hands

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I posted this long ago, but it seems that it bears repeating. Our Founders envisioned, although not perfectly, a Republic where the rule of the Majority would be blunted by levels of checks and balances on their power to rule over the Minority, whatever, whoever that Minority happened to be.

Mobs are a nasty thing, especially when they have the power to vote themselves, their morals, their ideology, their interests and their biases into their government. The ability to deprive others of their Rights, their opportunities, their desires is one of the most heinous, odious and wicked powers ever conceived. There are plenty, even here on the DP, who seem to be completely comfortable, even aggressive in their desire to deprive others of their Rights, their equal domain as Citizens equal to their own status, their own ability to live their lives with the same privileges as simply Americans. Until we understand that the Principles of Freedom and Liberty are not restricted to a particular group, a particular religion, a particular color, a particular gender or any other thing, then we will remain a little people without force of issue or argument. We will not gain the support of those we need to make the cause of Liberty a success for they will see our hypocrisy, they will recognize that while we Proclaim Liberty as a Movement there are those within our Movement who would deprive others of the very thing we seek to Proclaim as the Solution to the massive problems faced by this Great Land of ours.

How easy it is to cry Freedom and Liberty from one side of our mouths and yet from the other side we seek to deprive others of the ability to live their lives in the same manner as we ourselves enjoy. It is the most sickening of hypocrisies. Until we understand the purpose of this Republic, until we truly understand the Principles of Freedom and Liberty, then I suppose we will be forced to live under the harsh hand of oppression, but there is not one of us who has the Right, nor should we ever have the power to deny a fellow person their Rights under the guise of Mobocracy, all the while touting ourselves as Defenders of Freedom and Liberty.

"We must all come to understand that as long as anyone depends on their minority status to determine their rights then the majority will only recognize a degree of rights based solely upon a specified set of what the majority considers allowable and therefore, contingent freedoms. In other words, the majority will always restrict the rights of the minority unless the minority can base their rights upon something other than the specific attributes and or definitions of that minority.

The government is not inclined to, nor does it obligate itself to ensure the Rights of any person in this country although it was created to protect the Rights of every individual. It is up to the individual to combatively insist and aggressively pursue his or her Rights before the government. It is People, first and foremost, that form the State Republics through acting on a cooperative and voluntary basis, but with an extreme prejudice toward their Rights. It has been said that the majority opinion is the true ruler; if that is the case then perhaps it is time for us all to become the majority and not base our Rights upon a specific status as a minority. This does not preclude any attributes that a person has who is a member of a minority or their identity, but in the eyes of the majority and therefore the law, a minority is only a minority and will remain as such as long as they base their Rights solely upon their minority status.

The problem with every democracy is that the majority always rule to the exclusion of the minority. The reason the Founders purposed a Republic instead of a democracy was to blunt the force and power of the majority through layers of checks and balances to equal out the playing field. The more democratic a political system becomes the more the majority “lords over” the minority. It is strange that people are all for democracy until it actually rules against them and in a democracy, since the majority always rules, the minority will always suffer under the prejudices of the majority. There is a defined tyranny within a democracy and yet so many clamor for such a system because they feel that it will provide them with more voice while just the opposite is true. In every democracy the government system appeals to the material interests of the majority’s large voting block, in turn the government will then merely placate the minority with a degree of rights and yet never “grant” them the same degree of rights as the majority.

The established elite ruling class, the governing “gentry” fears nothing more than a unified People. As long as sectionalism can be promoted and therefore pseudo-legalized, then this nation will remain divided and that is exactly what the “State” desires: a house divided. Until We take the stance that the only status that is legally meaningful and powerful is that of the Citizen, then We will remain a conquered People subject to the will of majoritarianism and their preferred democratic tyranny. The majorities will always, whether by vote, referendum or even by a form of legal or judicial enforcement, secure their perceived rights over the rights of a defined minority. Majoritarian democracy desires the artificial designation of minorities, it keeps the “majority” holding the reigns of power while providing the minority with a degree of satisfaction based upon their struggle to gain or retain a certain allowance of rights, but such a system will never provide equality because it inherently promotes and maintains social, racial, religious, ethnic or sexual divisions among the People.

The “State” readily supports the idea that a particular class or group requires or is entitled to recognition based upon that class or group or category, because segmentation will continue to allow its decisions to be based upon the majority and keeps the perceived minority, of which ever particular group, in check or within a majority defined scope of “civil rights”. In such a “democratic” system the minority will always yield to the will and power of the majority. The majority will always enact policies which ensure that the minority is not strengthened and will never allow the total empowerment of the minority. The “State” will always seek to breed social divisions in order the restrict minority power or empowerment. The solution therefore, must be found through a very powerful and very different view: that of the Majority of Citizenship.

It is interesting to note that you rarely hear the word Republic, but democracy is tossed out by most politicians and for good reason: a democracy will always protect the majority first and keep any minority under the thumb of the ruling powers. Minorities are not only required, but desired within democratic majoritarian system of government because it will always demand that all minorities yield to the will and allowances of the majority. A Republic is anathema to democratic majoritarianism because it equalizes the power and force of government among all People of the Land when the People press their Sovereignty, based solely upon their Natural Rights of Citizenship, over the “State”."

In Liberty,
Republicae

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14 December 2008

reminder bump!

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Thanks

Thanks Liberty.......

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"So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent...to put shackles upon sleeping men.
— Voltairine de Cleyre (1886-1912)

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"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes

Thats Right

the empire wants division. If you read the Marx conflict theory you will understand what they are doing. They are following communist doctrin to keep us divided, and they are also using psychology against us through the media. Stalin and Hitler used psychology through pamplets, News papers and radio, we now have the boob tube, internet, news papers, and radio to contend with. Like I said read the Marx Conflict theory, and then sit there and think about all that is happening around you and what is happening right here in the USA. I hope people will start understanding soon.

Give Me Freedom

If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison

Give Me Freedom

If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison

If We Have Racism We Will Not Have Freedom.
If We Have No Racism We Can Have Freedom
Quoted By: GIVE ME FREEDOM

Isn't this a good idea? Each state being a sovereign one?

Someone else previously posted this site: http://www.ok-safe.com/files/documen...JR1089_int.pdf Why doesn't each state propose to do what Oklahoma did? Couldn't we each claim/declare sovereignty and follow the Constitution at the same time as united States of America. (u is lower case on purpose.)

Constitutionally, the States

Constitutionally, the States are Sovereign, Free and Independent.

http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater

http://militantjeffersonian.com

"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes

Thanks, Republicae - one more question, though -

so can we just refuse to follow those laws that have been passed unconstitutionally? (like paying taxes to the IRS which simply passes our money to the FED as interest paid?) I want each state to be accountable only to those who live there. Are we back to understanding original jurisdiction is indeed a viable way to remove ourselves from this current mess? I so enjoy reading your answers. Thanks.

The States

do not have to follow what the fedeal gov. wants. Did you know that when the FBI, Secret Service, and any other branch of federal law enforcement go to arrest someone in lets say Maricopa County AZ. by law they have to have permission from the sheriff of that county, and if they don't get that permission the sheriff has the right to arrest all agents from the federal government involved. Why do you think that RP was saying that the states should be deciding laws or the people within each state should be voting for their own laws. The Federal Government is only ment to be for protection and to assist in greivences between states and to make sure the states uphold the constitution.

Give Me Freedom

If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison

Give Me Freedom

If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison

If We Have Racism We Will Not Have Freedom.
If We Have No Racism We Can Have Freedom
Quoted By: GIVE ME FREEDOM

Thanks for the reply.

Yes, I learned that fact about the sheriff's authority being the highest in my readings here.

I just wonder if our next "step" would be to convince each state to forgo "federal" dollars to maximize their own individual sovereignty. I know most state lawmakers would balk at or refuse to consider forgoing of government handouts. We must make them realize that it's our money in the first place (our taxes being given back to us with strings attached), and we don't want them using this money for anything that the voters have not passed. If it's a federal mandate (so to speak), then state dollars should not have to make up the shortfall. Let each state determine how their constituents' money is spent.

The only division should be...

US (the people) vs. THEM (the government)

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

If we should be divided....

it should be between the Elite and everyone else!!
"Americans need to take a Democrap and wipe it's Republican from the history books of this once great Nation"
-Concerned Citizen

"The use of 'Conspiracy Theorist' or 'Truther' as a derogatory -- as an epithet almost -- is something the propagandists have perfected over the decades, and it's a useful tool for eliminating articulate dissent."

Thanks, Republicae

for reposting this well written thread.

One Voice...

One Vision, One Voice, One Goal.. Liberty..

ReLOVElution..

"For if they all speak the same thing nothing shall be impossible for them."
(paraphrase Gen. bable..)

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Don't think of it as `gun control', think of it as `victim disarmament'. If we make enough laws, we can all be criminals.

One Voice, One Vision, One Love ~ Liberty.
Good Thoughts, Good Words , Good Deeds.
That is the Ron Paul rEVOLution Creed.

One Louv. ;-)..

It's the other way around

Actually, Republicae, you have much of your thinking backwards. In reality, the “state” very much wants us united. That is, they want us united behind incorrect principles. That is why they spend so much effort to bring about unified thinking by poisoning us (fluoride, mercury, prescription drugs, etc.), exposing us to a constant barrage of propaganda, encouraging us to worship pop culture, and sending us to indoctrination centers (aka public schools). Study the careers of men like Edward Bernays, read books like 1984 and Brave New World, research the ideas that bring about collectivism, and understand the huge role utopian thinking and planning have played in our quickly devolving society. You will soon see how very hard the state works to bring us all in line with an extremely unified way of thinking - the dumbed down, depraved and warped way they want us to think.

If you ever find yourself agreeing with mainstream news, unions, the agenda of public schools at large, autocratic judges (who the Founders and Ron Paul have warned us about repeatedly), and activist “celebrities”, be afraid - be very afraid! These are the institutions the state relies upon to unite our thinking, not divide it. The problem is, they are trying to unite us in a way that will ultimately lead to our downfall. It is only in a free and dynamic society that diversity can flourish. This is the last thing the state wants.

As Ron Paul has stated multiple times, it is not enough to be united for unity’s sake. We must be united behind correct principles. Be careful where you seek for those correct principles.

I believe you're confusing the staus quo with unity.

There is no unity in community thinking. The fact that everyone stops to look at shiny things doesn't mean they are on the same page.

The government likes us best when we are at each others throats, I agree. They force things like Affirmative Action on us, knowing it will be unpopular, and watch the results. They refuse to lock up criminals for their wrongdoings but will 'inform' us that a child molester is now living in our neighborhood.... and then watch what happens.

At each level of government, we are separated into groups. Then the groups are set against one another while they pilfer the registers in their charge.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I Disagree

There is a reason why it is called collectivism. Collectivism is largely about collective thought as well as behavior. They really do want all of us to think a certain way. That is the whole point of propaganda. That is the whole point of using basically the same curriculum in most of the schools throughout the nation. That is the whole point of pop culture. That is the whole point of indoctrination. Just because there are variations on a theme does not mean the theme does not exist.

Collectivists do not want too much variation, and they certainly don't want permanent chaos. Temporary chaos is only a means to an end. They want a controlled society. It is impossible to have a controlled society without controlled attitudes, thoughts, and behavior. Think of communism. How many communist countries promote diversity? Think of Nazi Germany. Think of fascist Italy. Think of any dictatorship or collectivist society. Think of the leaders who helped to bring about those societies. The evidence speaks for itself. The "state" positively tries to promote a single way of thinking. And they are good at it.

You have to understand that most of the elite subscribe to utopian thinking. In a utopian society, there is absolutely no room for individual thought. Everybody has to be on the same page, and those who aren't are eliminated. Who do you think FEMA camps are being built for - the people who buy into the state's way of thinking or the one's who refuse to go along and are not "unified"? If you study actual history and actual evidence, you have to conclude the state wants us unified in a very specific way. That is collectivism.

The Founding Fathers

The Founding Fathers said the only reason you have that Liberty and Freedom is because it comes from God.

You have forgotten this.

The Founding Fathers did not embrace God and Sin both. Therefore homosexuality, and all other forms of Sin are not freedoms..they are perversions.

Sin is fundamentally unamerican. And that is all there is to it.

No hard feelings Republicae; you rock.

"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy

"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."

Actually the right to SIN..

IS the definition of Free Choice / Freedom.

Your assesment of our founders Christianity may be somewhat skewed, may I offer the following for your consideration that you may find a balance. 1/2 ouf founders were not Christian at all.
http://www.borndigital.com/founders.htm

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Don't think of it as `gun control', think of it as `victim disarmament'. If we make enough laws, we can all be criminals.
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By a declaration of rights, I mean one which shall stipulate freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of com

One Voice, One Vision, One Love ~ Liberty.
Good Thoughts, Good Words , Good Deeds.
That is the Ron Paul rEVOLution Creed.

One Louv. ;-)..

Who re-writes history?

The born digital site is cherry picking information. All of the men on the site DID believe in God and the Creator. They rejected formal institutionalized religion but not the natural rights that flow to man from a force far greater than man alone.

You do a disfavor to yourself to not explore historical influences that formed in the 17th and 18th century. The Reformation and the rejection of a King's divine right to rule are fundamental to the rise of liberty. When we reject a supremecy that exists beyond our own, we submit that we should rule and be ruled over by our own kind. That there are no fundamental rights, only privileges and punishments.

When we learn about history in schools

We are learning the Masonic version of history. This is how the NWO puppetmasters want us to think happened, as opposed to what really happened. The people that even make into the history books are mostly members of their network. They are always glorified, have wonderful feats attributed to them, and the bad stuff(real stuff) is suppressed.

www.illuminati-news.com/masonic-history.htm

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/mashist.htm
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"Are you a coincidence theorist who thinks that evil people don't work together?"

New World Order for Dummies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLPG_HplrA

HOW TO ANALYZE THE NEWS AND WHAT GOES ON AROUND YOU
http://www.joelskousen.com/hotissues_news.html

25 WAYS TO SUPPRESS THE TRUTH: The Rules of Disinformation
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/68785

13 Bloodlines of The Illuminati
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/

The Biological Basis of Elitism and "The Divine Right" Rule
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_div...

Two-seed theory: The origins of the psychopathic elite
www.dailypaul.com/node/68954

Political Ponerology and Psychopaths
www.dailypaul.com/node/53506

The Secret Order of The Illuminati (good overview)
www.illuminati-news.com/moriah.htm

Secret Societies and the REAL driving force behind the New World Order
www.dailypaul.com/node/59200

Also check out America's original "third party", The Anti-Masonic Party :

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/62031

America has never come closer to stopping them than it did over 160 years ago - and most Americans have never heard of it.

"If good government is to be restored all Masons must be purged from public office". - Rayback

It is strange, I have never

It is strange, I have never read in any of the writings of the Founding Fathers that sin precluded Rights; for it that were the case then none of us would be due any Rights whatsoever. Who shall judge? Should it be you or me, should it be a court or a politician that should judge whether or not a person qualifies for the Rights of being a human? If we are to qualify the Rights of others then none have Rights; that is to say if anyone of us, if any government can qualify your Rights or any one else’s Rights based on anything other than being a human being then we are all in danger. For if the Rights of one person, just one can be qualified or taken away for any reason then the Rights of all can be taken away for any reason, including yours. So, do homosexuals have any Rights whatsoever? Why? If you are not willing to give a homosexual one Right then you should be prepared to take away all Rights, are you then ready to take that position?

Your screen name is “Declaration of Freedom” and yet you are stating that there is a qualifier to that Freedom. I find that most disturbing because the next step of the denial of any Right to anyone is to deny all Rights and to eventually exterminate that person or group of people that those Rights have been denied to through law.

If you seek to deny the Rights of a person, or a group it is no different than the very forces we are now engaged in to overcome. What if the day came when you are not allowed to worship because a majority determined that your particular religion was not covered by the Constitution, that is was not in the best interest of the country?

I'm sorry, but I don't trust giving the power of determining who has or who does not have Rights into the hands of men. I prefer to say that everyone has the very same Rights and Privileges and let them be judged after they die for those things that are not within my power or wisdom to judge. What are we fighting for anyway? Are we not fighting the power of the STATE to be the determining factor in our lives? The STATE has no place in either marriage, religion, press, speech or anything else...as long as people are living their lives in a peaceful manner without stepping on the Rights of others then it is no one's business, not yours, not mine, not the government's.

http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater

http://militantjeffersonian.com

"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes

I agree with

you 100%. Do you notice how people are more inclined to tell others what they should and must do than take care of their own business at home? It must be a human nature thing. I don't care what people do or think just leave me alone. Live and let live.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

It is true, people tend to

It is true, people tend to give lip-service to Freedom and Liberty without the Essence of Principle behing the words. It is very important that we understand just what we are advocating when we speak about the most fundamental issues involving Individual Freedom and Liberty. There are no other qualifications for the extension of those vital principles to any person, no matter who or what they are, what they do, what they believe, what color, gender, religion, or even sexual orientation. As long as a person abides by the principle of the non-initiation of force against another person they are, or should be free to live their lives, to attend to their affairs and to enjoy the very same Rights and Privleges as anyone else by the simple fact that they are People, Citizens, Americans!

http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater

http://militantjeffersonian.com

"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes

Well said

You should re-post this once a week, or more frequently, as needed. Thanks.

"More frequently as needed"

Monday reminder!!

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"Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave fast enough to be a new source of energy independence."~ samthurston

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Thanks

Thanks Liberty!!!!

http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater

http://militantjeffersonian.com

"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes

The State Desires Divisions!!!

Tuesday Reminder!! Please read this post and be ever vigilant... we must continue to strive to understand fully what we are fighting FOR .... in order that we do not become what we are fighting AGAINST!!!!

peace~

"Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave fast enough to be a new source of energy independence."~ samthurston

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Thanks again

Thanks again Liberty

http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater

http://militantjeffersonian.com

"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes

Here's your weekly bump

Here's your weekly bump Gil

http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater

http://militantjeffersonian.com

"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes

Thanks

Thanks Gil.

http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Barry Goldwater

http://militantjeffersonian.com

"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes

Thank you Republicae,

I hope you don't mind if I print this up and share it with friends and acquaintances? I have been trying to explain this to people for a long time. It seems that people see the evil of our present government, yet do not understand that a democracy can be so tyrannical. And that personal liberty is the goal, and is so threatened by a democracy. This subject seems to be very misunderstood these days. (the other one is socialism, misunderstood by the very people who don't want the government invading their lives, as if having the government take our money to spend as they wish, isn't invasive ).
A story of ours where this understanding and complete belief in personal liberties and rights helped us: We bought 40 acres in a sort of subdivision (not a legal subdivision) and despite the fact that it is a 4 wheel drive road only, and off grid, because of the low cost attracted a lot of people. A couple of our neighbors being from California, and Colorado, and obviously used to restrictive laws, started calling the sellers of the land with petty complaints about us, (we built as we could afford, and not a big expensive home). After the third letter from the land mortgager, they came to us, realizing that these people were just nasty, and told us who the complainers were, and handed us a pad of paper, and pencil to write our complaints about them! We refused, of course, believing that they had every right to do with their property as they wished, despite the fact that they wanted to dictate what we did with ours. This so impressed the land seller that they announced to anyone who complained about us,that they will no longer accept any complaints.